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Baldur's Gate The Baldur's Gate Series Thread

GarfunkeL

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I did try to use BGT to get everything installed before EE editions were even announced. It was nightmare because if you fuck up one thing during it you need to start from scratch. It took me 2 and half afternoons of tinkering before I had it working and even then some of the "safe" additions broke the balance of the game completely.
I can't help you if you're braindead. Since you can either install just BGT and nothing else, which makes it easy to play the whole trilogy in BG2 engine or you can use the automated Big World Setup to pick additional mods. You can Google each mod before you install it and I can't recall any unbalanced god-mods in the safe additions - but then again, I do have the mental capacity to review and independently decide which mods to go with. I guess if one is handicapped to the point that reading text and making decisions is difficult, going for EE is indeed the better choice.

There is nothing in BGT that EE has not done better unless new installation of BGT is as quick and as painless as EE editions (which I doubt). And still loading times, zoom in/out, quick loot and changes to character screens make EE vastly superior. BGT is for autists only now. And hipsters.
As I already said, vastly larger amount of mods, no shitty blur filter or zoom, no additional bugs introduced by incompetent Beamdog hacks and no shitty "extra content" either. BGT is people who prefer not to pay for the games they already own for the second or third time, just to buy that minimal convenience of pressing one button to install it.
 

ArchAngel

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BGT is for autists only now. And hipsters.

BGT, Tutu and EE are for fags. Play the original or go home.

But yeah, playing BG1 in the BG2 engine changes lots of things:

You have access to increased movement speed and a superior pathfinding routine. You have inventory pause, extra spells/ increased spell ranges, double-capacity quivers, bulk buy and munchkin kits. You can simply rest to cure poison and disease, a la BG2. You have the optional Rest Until Healed, Maximum hit dice on level up, 100% spell scribing success and High Mastery in chargen that everyone pretends they're too hardcore to use but secretly does, anyway.

Overworld waylays & on-rest/interval spawns have been nerfed or removed, and you can't even dual-class to and from Specialists anymore as they removed that AD&D core rule.

See? You're not the only one who can act like a cockhead.
I think you got it wrong. You just showed yourself as a even bigger hipster and autists.
Are maybe Sensuki's waifu? But you need to have a 4:3 CRT around so you can play BG1 as it was in 1998 so you can fit his standards.
 

ArchAngel

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I did try to use BGT to get everything installed before EE editions were even announced. It was nightmare because if you fuck up one thing during it you need to start from scratch. It took me 2 and half afternoons of tinkering before I had it working and even then some of the "safe" additions broke the balance of the game completely.
I can't help you if you're braindead. Since you can either install just BGT and nothing else, which makes it easy to play the whole trilogy in BG2 engine or you can use the automated Big World Setup to pick additional mods. You can Google each mod before you install it and I can't recall any unbalanced god-mods in the safe additions - but then again, I do have the mental capacity to review and independently decide which mods to go with. I guess if one is handicapped to the point that reading text and making decisions is difficult, going for EE is indeed the better choice.
If I am braindead what are all the people that never even think about bothering to mod it? :D :D
I hope you got your ego nicely enlarged in this shitpost. You know what they say about people with big swords or big egos? They got small d.... :P
There is nothing in BGT that EE has not done better unless new installation of BGT is as quick and as painless as EE editions (which I doubt). And still loading times, zoom in/out, quick loot and changes to character screens make EE vastly superior. BGT is for autists only now. And hipsters.
As I already said, vastly larger amount of mods, no shitty blur filter or zoom, no additional bugs introduced by incompetent Beamdog hacks and no shitty "extra content" either. BGT is people who prefer not to pay for the games they already own for the second or third time, just to buy that minimal convenience of pressing one button to install it.
None of this is even close to what EE did. Just no loading screens is worth more already.
And these BGT people, are they from Africa that they cannot afford a superior game for 10$? Or 5$ as the whole package is on 70% sale through bundle sites.
 

GarfunkeL

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And these BGT people, are they from Africa that they cannot afford a superior game for 10$? Or 5$ as the whole package is on 70% sale through bundle sites.
Oh wow, that's convinced everyone! Unless you pay for unnecessary shit, you're now a poor African? Dude, push your head deeper inside your ass so we don't have to bother with your bullshit anymore. Maybe you'll rupture your spleen or something.
 

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I bought a headset and started a co-op game. When we entered Nashkel, the amnish soldiers attacked us on sight. Is this irreversible as we killed a few innocents in the Friendly Arms Inn? Party reputation was 4. We headed back to the temple east of Beregost and donated all our cash to get the reputation up then called it a day. Hope it helps
 

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BG2 Tweak Pack allows Barbarians and Wild Mages to dual class and for the EE version it allows all races to dual class but keeps the requirements. There's a mod for BGT that does the same and I think it also removes the attribute requirements but a quick Googling didn't bring it up.
 

ArchAngel

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And these BGT people, are they from Africa that they cannot afford a superior game for 10$? Or 5$ as the whole package is on 70% sale through bundle sites.
Oh wow, that's convinced everyone! Unless you pay for unnecessary shit, you're now a poor African? Dude, push your head deeper inside your ass so we don't have to bother with your bullshit anymore. Maybe you'll rupture your spleen or something.
Hello Hiver's brother
 

GarfunkeL

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I bought a headset and started a co-op game. When we entered Nashkel, the amnish soldiers attacked us on sight. Is this irreversible as we killed a few innocents in the Friendly Arms Inn? Party reputation was 4. We headed back to the temple east of Beregost and donated all our cash to get the reputation up then called it a day. Hope it helps
It does help. The scripted auto-attacks are based on your reputation, nothing else.

And piss off ArchAngel. Maybe at Bioware Social people are swayed to unnecessarily pay to get an inferior product but not over here. At least come up with new arguments for why EE is so AWESUME instead of rehashing the same tired bullshit that Beamdog advertising plants have been touting all along.
 

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I bought a headset and started a co-op game. When we entered Nashkel, the amnish soldiers attacked us on sight. Is this irreversible as we killed a few innocents in the Friendly Arms Inn? Party reputation was 4. We headed back to the temple east of Beregost and donated all our cash to get the reputation up then called it a day. Hope it helps
It does help. The scripted auto-attacks are based on your reputation, nothing else.

And piss off ArchAngel. Maybe at Bioware Social people are swayed to unnecessarily pay to get an inferior product but not over here. At least come up with new arguments for why EE is so AWESUME instead of rehashing the same tired bullshit that Beamdog advertising plants have been touting all along.
That's great. Murdering Mirrorshade's wife as a revenge for the guards stealing xp off that assassin on the gate was totally worth it then.
 

Xeon

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I don't get the reasoning for that, I saw a stream on Twitch, 2 streamers also killed her and the inn keeper since they didn't plan on coming back to the friendly arm's inn. Unless you have an uncapper you can easily hit the level cap by doing all quests and TotSC or you can just farm exp from Flesh Golems in the cave with the con book and killing Ankhegs I think.
 

Roobenator

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I don't get the reasoning for that, I saw a stream on Twitch, 2 streamers also killed her and the inn keeper since they didn't plan on coming back to the friendly arm's inn. Unless you have an uncapper you can easily hit the level cap by doing all quests and TotSC or you can just farm exp from Flesh Golems in the cave with the con book and killing Ankhegs I think.
It was as much about trying the boundaries of our evil group. I know that there's plenty of experience to go around.
 

ArchAngel

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And piss off ArchAngel. Maybe at Bioware Social people are swayed to unnecessarily pay to get an inferior product but not over here. At least come up with new arguments for why EE is so AWESUME instead of rehashing the same tired bullshit that Beamdog advertising plants have been touting all along.
You really have nothing smart to say except insults. Calling you Hiver fits so well.
 

ArchAngel

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You really have nothing smart to say except insults. Calling you Hiver fits so well.
But he has already told you why the originals are better. what part of it cant you understand bro?
No he has not, he only threw insults. He just mentioned couple of shitty excuses and ignore all the improvements EE made and then just continued with insults.
 

GarfunkeL

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Bull.

Besides, TuTu hasn't been updated in years. It's BGT now. The Big World Setup installer makes installing an easy thing to do, the "ease of life" improvements in EE aren't really necessary, the graphical improvements consist entirely of adding a shitty blur filter and a pointless zoom feature. Woohoo, how amazing and your last defense is that it's cheap? Fantastic advice.

Stay away from EEs. You can get the originals in GOG or the seven seas and there are far more mods for them than there are for the EEs.

I can't help you if you're braindead. Since you can either install just BGT and nothing else, which makes it easy to play the whole trilogy in BG2 engine or you can use the automated Big World Setup to pick additional mods. You can Google each mod before you install it and I can't recall any unbalanced god-mods in the safe additions - but then again, I do have the mental capacity to review and independently decide which mods to go with. I guess if one is handicapped to the point that reading text and making decisions is difficult, going for EE is indeed the better choice.


As I already said, vastly larger amount of mods, no shitty blur filter or zoom, no additional bugs introduced by incompetent Beamdog hacks and no shitty "extra content" either. BGT is people who prefer not to pay for the games they already own for the second or third time, just to buy that minimal convenience of pressing one button to install it.
Yup, nothing but insults and excuses but let's recap since reading comprehension seems not to be your forte.

The EEs do not improve the graphics because they didn't have access to original art assets so they created a blur filter to hide this fact when you zoom. Which is a completely unnecessary feature in the first place. Widescreen mod already gives you all possible resolutions to play with and its independent of the version of IE you use - plus there's a sub-mod that increases font size if you have trouble reading the text on higher resolutions. So on graphics/art aspect, EE brings nothing new to the table.

EE didn't fix a single bug that hadn't already been fixed by modders over the years but they did manage to introduce new ones. I guess they've now mostly patched them away but still. Furthermore, any old issue with the games can easily be solved by Googling because thousands and thousands of people have played the games with a wide variety of mods. I'm unaware if they have actually made the scripting system more stable but I'd guess not, since that would require pretty extensive recoding of the .exe but maybe I'm wrong.

Auto-loot is a gimmick and since inventory space is limited, you don't want to loot everything anyway. Who drags ten broadswords and five leather armors to the vendors? You can already see both AC and HP in the inventory and character screens - being able to see THAC0 in inventory screen is a really minor improvement. I can't recall if EE did anything else. You could turn to-hit rolls visible on the log before EE already.

Which leaves additional content and that has generally been judged to range from abysmal to mediocre. Considering that content mods already add far more content that also ranges from abysmal to mediocre, why the fuck should people pay money for fanfiction shit they can get for free?

So really, the EEs are for hoarder Steam-fanboys who lack the capacity of using Google and Big World Setup to custom tailor a modded BGT exactly the way they want. Hooray, keep banging that idiot drum Angel.
 

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The quick loot is pretty useful to find Key or Quest items if you don't need the loot, When I was in BGT ToB, even tho I had a lot of money by that point, I still kept going to each drop to see if there was a key item that I might need later. The quick loot is pretty good for those moments more than to loot.

I do agree about the zooming, even tho a lot of people seem to like it, it kinda makes everything blurry, I normally just zoom out. There is an option they might add from IWDEE that locks the zooming so it always stays zoomed out.

CamDawg, the modder who made BG2 Tweaks and Fixes said that a lot of the added fixes that were impossible to fix are doable now because of the EE. Granted he now works as a dev in Beamdog so he has access to the source material or something.
 

oldmanpaco

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Wow this thread turned really codexian really quickly.

Also I'm on GarfunkeL's side here. BGT has tons of mods but it does take some time to figure it all out the first time. But you can export your config file for the installer and just go back to it later. The mods you need to really look at closely are the Tweak Pack , SCS, and BP. Many of the line items have descriptions and if that is not enough the program links directly to the web pages of the mods. Or just download mods and look at the readme.txt files yourself if you are not sure. Once you get the hang of it its not hard.

edit: ALso if you have not looked at the .pdf guide that comes with the BWP it can help explain whats going on.

Just avoid Item Revisions and Spell Revisions. Those suck. As do all NPC and shop mods. And all the big quest mods suck. And most (but not all) of the small quest mods are terrible. And make sure you really look at the Tweak Pack or you will be stuck with romances you cannot kill.

edit: Also its funny people still argue about a game that was released 17 years ago. And not about the game itself but how we play it.
 

ArchAngel

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Bull.

Besides, TuTu hasn't been updated in years. It's BGT now. The Big World Setup installer makes installing an easy thing to do, the "ease of life" improvements in EE aren't really necessary, the graphical improvements consist entirely of adding a shitty blur filter and a pointless zoom feature. Woohoo, how amazing and your last defense is that it's cheap? Fantastic advice.

Stay away from EEs. You can get the originals in GOG or the seven seas and there are far more mods for them than there are for the EEs.

I can't help you if you're braindead. Since you can either install just BGT and nothing else, which makes it easy to play the whole trilogy in BG2 engine or you can use the automated Big World Setup to pick additional mods. You can Google each mod before you install it and I can't recall any unbalanced god-mods in the safe additions - but then again, I do have the mental capacity to review and independently decide which mods to go with. I guess if one is handicapped to the point that reading text and making decisions is difficult, going for EE is indeed the better choice.


As I already said, vastly larger amount of mods, no shitty blur filter or zoom, no additional bugs introduced by incompetent Beamdog hacks and no shitty "extra content" either. BGT is people who prefer not to pay for the games they already own for the second or third time, just to buy that minimal convenience of pressing one button to install it.
Yup, nothing but insults and excuses but let's recap since reading comprehension seems not to be your forte.

The EEs do not improve the graphics because they didn't have access to original art assets so they created a blur filter to hide this fact when you zoom. Which is a completely unnecessary feature in the first place. Widescreen mod already gives you all possible resolutions to play with and its independent of the version of IE you use - plus there's a sub-mod that increases font size if you have trouble reading the text on higher resolutions. So on graphics/art aspect, EE brings nothing new to the table.

EE didn't fix a single bug that hadn't already been fixed by modders over the years but they did manage to introduce new ones. I guess they've now mostly patched them away but still. Furthermore, any old issue with the games can easily be solved by Googling because thousands and thousands of people have played the games with a wide variety of mods. I'm unaware if they have actually made the scripting system more stable but I'd guess not, since that would require pretty extensive recoding of the .exe but maybe I'm wrong.

Auto-loot is a gimmick and since inventory space is limited, you don't want to loot everything anyway. Who drags ten broadswords and five leather armors to the vendors? You can already see both AC and HP in the inventory and character screens - being able to see THAC0 in inventory screen is a really minor improvement. I can't recall if EE did anything else. You could turn to-hit rolls visible on the log before EE already.

Which leaves additional content and that has generally been judged to range from abysmal to mediocre. Considering that content mods already add far more content that also ranges from abysmal to mediocre, why the fuck should people pay money for fanfiction shit they can get for free?

So really, the EEs are for hoarder Steam-fanboys who lack the capacity of using Google and Big World Setup to custom tailor a modded BGT exactly the way they want. Hooray, keep banging that idiot drum Angel.
Haha you first proper post and you are still intentionally ignoring improvements.
So in addition to what you said here you also get:
1. No loading times
2. Better organized Inventory and Character screen information with properly added and correct numbers as well as numbers of attacks.
3. Character color circles
4. Current order icon on portrait
5. Magical Clubs :D
6. Potion/ scroll/ gem bags
7. Sorcerer NPC
8. New subclasses like Shadowdancer, Dragon Disciple and more
9. More bugs fixed than BGT and fan made mods (I don't care how you feel about its bugs at release as nobody is playing that version now)
10. Black Pits for those that just want good fights.
11. They are using BG2 engine but they made is so you get BG1 spawns on maps.
12. Million other things I probably forgot.
13. SCS also works well with it as well as Icewind dale spells/bard songs into BG mod
And all that comes in a 15 minute installer.

So how is exactly Tutu superior except it saves you 10$?
 

Kazuki

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I'm trying to install BG1 & BG2 (GOG) with mod again, using BWS for the first time and i got these

poViUXa.png


Eventhough i already have the file in download folder, but the installer insist i don't have the essential file.
 

oldmanpaco

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Maybe delete those mods from the downloads folder and try again. If they were partially downloaded or corrupted they might be messing with the system. Alternatively use the provide option and download them yourself (still delete the ones in your folder though).
 

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