Of female characters in RPG's

[Maxwell's Demon]

The main point is this is about in RPGS. Who the fuck really cares how accurate compared to irl? Old games that had no modifiers for stats played fine no matter what gender or name or race.

Fucking autistic OCD fucktards ponder thev REAL vs IMAGINARY. Its a game so fucking what. I don't simp for stupid cunts or bitches of either gender but some compaisons are beyond the retard barrier.

 

[Rance]

Beautiful girls between the ages of 15 to 29. No fatties.

I don't care if they are weak, men can die in the battles instead.

 

[Sarathiour]

pound for pound, women are weaker than men. Not only do they have less muscle mass, but it's also just weaker.

Human women are not suited to be physical combatants. And no, you can't make the argument of "but muh dragons don't exist either so why not female knights", because human women exist. Every setting, especially fantasy ones, should be internally consistent otherwise you end up with bottom-tier garbage like the Forgotten Realms.
Want strong women? Fine, design a species that would logically have physically strong women. If you just copy real world humans except "women stronk!!!" I'm going to call you a terrible world builder.

I don't mind exception and having a few female fighter, but they have to be treated as such, exception. Even if your setting is grounded in a semi-realistic way, a human female fighter should make people raise eyebrow at the very least, in the same way an orc mage would.

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

Shortbow and recurved bow certainly require a set amount of strength, but not one unachievable for a properly trained women, though she's obviously going to have an harder time at first than a man.

Shortbows and recurve bows meant for war have the same poundage as longbows. The dimensions of the bow aren't the determining factor when it comes to draw weight.

There is also a reason why archer are portrayed as female, it's because if using bow is indeed a rather intensive activity that require quite a lot of strength and stamina, brawling in melee would require even more.

Not every engagement results in brawling. Women are far better suited to swinging a sharpened steel bar that weighs 3-5lbs than they are at pulling 100-120lbs with one arm. That's against unarmored to lightly armored foes mind, not heavy armor. As soon as heavy armor comes back into the mix or the melee is prolonged, then strength becomes needed for grappling and stamina for staving off exhaustion.

Can't say I know shit about archery. So i just look at vids.

The first video is not an authentic English longbow, though it's often mistakenly called one by sellers and makers. It's a Victorian longbow meant for sport. The giveaway is the leather wrap on the grip and the thinness of the stave. The rest are selfbows with the exception of the Kyudo in the third vid. All of them look sub 45 pounds, which is not nearly enough to pierce armor. KateMicucci is correct in saying 35lbs is what you'll typically see women use for target shooting. No point on anything greater because hitting the target is the goal, not killing someone. Teenaged boys were typically shooting 45-60lbs.

 

[Nazrim Eldrak]

This will definitely trigger some of you guys and I will enjoy it .

 

[Heroic Liberator]

This will definitely trigger some of you guys and I will enjoy it .

Dunno how it is specifically with the US Marines, but in the overwhelming majority of cases in which militaries and law enforcement agencies worldwide accept women - they tend to set lower physical requirements for them.

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

This will definitely trigger some of you guys and I will enjoy it .

Why isn't he carrying his 50kg+ equipment?

 

[KainenMorden]

This is the fantasy of everyone in this thread advocating for women to play prominent roles in an adventuring party.

Judging from rusty's comments, he'd like the option in rpgs to be physically dominated by a half giant female. He'd like it in real life as well but feels a human woman's relative lack of strength would be immersion breaking and he's not willing to spend his hard earned money on that.

Very easy psychological read

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

What is she doing with Saddam Hussein? Why is he wearing Nike? Why does uh, ¿she? have exposed tattoos? Is that a carpeted section of giant confusing X-box buttons?

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

What is she doing with Tom Hanks?

FTFY.

 

[Dadd]

he fine inside me
...
he fine around me

 

[BruceVC]

https://arrows2bows.com/famous-female-archers-in-history/

There were female archers in history? This link gives examples

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

Someone ought to tell the guy who wrote that article that Amazons, Shieldmaidens and Japanese Mulan belong in the mythology section. The rest is target shooting.

 

[BruceVC]

Someone ought to tell the guy who wrote that article that Amazons, Shieldmaidens and Japanese Mulan belong in the mythology section. The rest is target shooting.

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

 

[A horse of course]

Someone ought to tell the guy who wrote that article that Amazons, Shieldmaidens and Japanese Mulan belong in the mythology section. The rest is target shooting.

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

"During the 130 years between the first publication about this burial and the publication that the remains were female, there were over 50 papers published which accepted as fact that the individual was a high status warrior; a leader of men. It was only after the proof the individual was female that any papers were published which called into question this interpretation"

Wow I wonder who wrote this article

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Someone ought to tell the guy who wrote that article that Amazons, Shieldmaidens and Japanese Mulan belong in the mythology section. The rest is target shooting.

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

"During the 130 years between the first publication about this burial and the publication that the remains were female, there were over 50 papers published which accepted as fact that the individual was a high status warrior; a leader of men. It was only after the proof the individual was female that any papers were published which called into question this interpretation"

Wow I wonder who wrote this article

how do they know it's a woman if they never asked xir their gender?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

According to Kjellström, "Only a few warriors are buried with gaming pieces, and they signal strategic thinking."[12] This may also indicate that she was a member of the military caste.[7][14]

libtards in the future are going to find someone buried with a copy of skyrim and claim it means they were a tactical genius and master of war

 

[GrainWetski]

This will definitely trigger some of you guys and I will enjoy it .

And here's an average male marine

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

The presence of grave goods does not necessarily indicate anything about the person they're interred with. All that can actually be said with certainty is that weapons were found in a woman's grave. That they're calling her a warrior is conjecture.

Regardless, the draw weight is not something that could ever be known considering all that remains of it is a rotted bit of the stave, moreover since this grave is from the dark ages, armor would not have been commonplace in Scandinavia and Northwestern Europe. Under that condition, lesser draw weights would suffice to kill a man, so it would be more plausible that she could have used the weapon in warfare. However, this is not the level of technology that is typically portrayed in high-fantasy RPGs, which is 14th-16th century.

 

[NecroLord]

This will definitely trigger some of you guys and I will enjoy it .

And here's an average male marine

US Army recruitment video.
"Comments are turned off".
Who would've thought the great 'murican army can't handle any criticism?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

wikipedia is completely worthless, trash-tier website

If you disagree, consider the following thought experiment:
Imagine you're using rpgcodex and anything you post can be edited by other users. No matter how true your statements are, I will win in the end due to sheer perseverance. You will have to sleep sometime. I will make everyone know you in fact love Fallout 4. I will stay entirely on top of all edits to my posts and undo them near immediately.
Now imagine there's not just one of me, but thousands.

You cannot compete with that. It doesn't matter how right you are.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

The presence of grave goods does not necessarily indicate anything about the person they're interred with. All that can actually be said with certainty is that weapons were found in a woman's grave. That they're calling her a warrior is conjecture.

Pretty much. It's much more reasonable to assume that it's a status symbol rather than a personal warfare tool in such cases.

 

[BruceVC]

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

The presence of grave goods does not necessarily indicate anything about the person they're interred with. All that can actually be said with certainty is that weapons were found in a woman's grave. That they're calling her a warrior is conjecture.

Regardless, the draw weight is not something that could ever be known considering all that remains of it is a rotted bit of the stave, moreover since this grave is from the dark ages, armor would not have been commonplace in Scandinavia and Northwestern Europe. Under that condition, lesser draw weights would suffice to kill a man, so it would be more plausible that she could have used the weapon in warfare. However, this is not the level of technology that is typically portrayed in high-fantasy RPGs, which is 14th-16th century.

And how would you respond then with the historical evidence of female Samurai warriors? They were archers as well, to quote from the link below

" Tomoe Gozen ("gozen" is a title meaning "lady") was famous as a swordswoman, a skilled rider, and a superb archer. She was Minamoto's first captain and took at least one enemy head during the Battle of Awazu in 1184. "


https://www.thoughtco.com/images-of-samurai-women-195469

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

The presence of grave goods does not necessarily indicate anything about the person they're interred with. All that can actually be said with certainty is that weapons were found in a woman's grave. That they're calling her a warrior is conjecture.

Regardless, the draw weight is not something that could ever be known considering all that remains of it is a rotted bit of the stave, moreover since this grave is from the dark ages, armor would not have been commonplace in Scandinavia and Northwestern Europe. Under that condition, lesser draw weights would suffice to kill a man, so it would be more plausible that she could have used the weapon in warfare. However, this is not the level of technology that is typically portrayed in high-fantasy RPGs, which is 14th-16th century.

And how would you respond then with the historical evidence of female Samurai warriors? They were archers as well, to quote from the link below

" Tomoe Gozen ("gozen" is a title meaning "lady") was famous as a swordswoman, a skilled rider, and a superb archer. She was Minamoto's first captain and took at least one enemy head during the Battle of Awazu in 1184. "


https://www.thoughtco.com/images-of-samurai-women-195469

Well, for starters, Tomoe Gozen is a fictional character possibly very loosely based on a woman that actually existed.
tale of the heike is not a historical account, it's a story.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

The presence of grave goods does not necessarily indicate anything about the person they're interred with. All that can actually be said with certainty is that weapons were found in a woman's grave. That they're calling her a warrior is conjecture.

Regardless, the draw weight is not something that could ever be known considering all that remains of it is a rotted bit of the stave, moreover since this grave is from the dark ages, armor would not have been commonplace in Scandinavia and Northwestern Europe. Under that condition, lesser draw weights would suffice to kill a man, so it would be more plausible that she could have used the weapon in warfare. However, this is not the level of technology that is typically portrayed in high-fantasy RPGs, which is 14th-16th century.

And how would you respond then with the historical evidence of female Samurai warriors? They were archers as well, to quote from the link below

" Tomoe Gozen ("gozen" is a title meaning "lady") was famous as a swordswoman, a skilled rider, and a superb archer. She was Minamoto's first captain and took at least one enemy head during the Battle of Awazu in 1184. "


https://www.thoughtco.com/images-of-samurai-women-195469

Well, for starters, Tomoe Gozen is a fictional character possibly very loosely based on a woman that actually existed.
tale of the heike is not a historical account, it's a story.

speaking of which, wikipedia of course presents her as someone who actually existed and the talk page points out exactly this

If anyone involved in editing this article actually read Japanese, you could take a peek at the Japanese version of this article and see what any educated Japanese person knows, to wit, that The Tale of the Heike is an "epic," not an historical account, and there exists no evidence that the character of Tomoe Gozen actually existed.126.119.101.83 (talk) 14:27, 21 April 2017 (UTC)