Of female characters in RPG's

[rusty_shackleford]

reminder the average couch potato male is stronger than almost all female athletes, and even genetic freak females are as strong as average males

Hollywood has done a number on a lot of people's brains with the reality of how different the sexes are physically

 

[Bohrain]

Big tidddy.
Optionally: small tiddy.
But always large ass.

 

[Chippy]

To reflect modern times and thinking I submit these two images for the Witcher 1 remake.

Anorexic Triss:

Fat ass Shani:

You see it's not enough that we race swap characters. We have to think of body swapping them as well. It doesn't matter what the lore & logic of the IP is. That sorceresses in the setting use their feminine beauty or that a nurse working and travelling 20 hours a day wouldn't be built like a land whale.

So just thought I'd raise the issue in advance.

 

[Camel]

RPG genre is a power fantasy and story of archetypal hero with few exceptions. Traditionally, a hero archetype is male, strong, and noble. He has to overcome obstacles, suffer defeats and tragedies before he will overcome his foes and marry a beautiful maiden in the end. Nothing wrong with the archetypes and myths. The problem arises when the modern entertainment writers try to "subvert expectations" and produce dismal failures. Since the Russo-Ukrainian war was already mentioned how many Russian or Ukrainian women became war heroines instead of becoming refugees in Poland or Russia?
Eowyn the Shieldmaiden of Rohan is the archetypal heroine in the legendary LOTR but the feminists hate her and never mention her. Why? Eowyn loved Aragorn unrequitedly and went to war seeking death. She destroyed the Witch-king of Angmar with Merry's help and then she fell in love and married Faramir, becoming a healer. We need more heroines like Eowyn in RPGs and everywhere in entertainment.

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[HereticGuy]

reminder the average couch potato male is stronger than almost all female athletes, and even genetic freak females are as strong as average males

Average man has ~33 more muscle mass than an average woman; because of men's dominant hormone testesterone. Also men are ~50 more stronger in upper body and ~30 more stronger in lower body strength.
(Source : I can't remember, it was a study I've read about strength training years ago)

 

[Silverfish]

I differ from a common sentiment in this thread in that I think female characters in RPGs should be melee fighters over any other archetype. Putting yourself in the game's scenario, would you really want to be near death and totally reliant upon the healing prowess of someone who just remembered a snide comment you made three years ago? Would you want the elements at the beck and call of someone who's getting flustered because you're being a know-it-all on the battlefield?

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Ah, Valeria was awesome in Conan the Barbarian. Beautiful and deadly. In Conan the Destroyer though, we had this :

Yeah, the second movie sucks ass (except Basil Poledouris' original soundtracks)

Yeah, destroyer sucked but the plot and game transferred to pnp (with a lot of edits) could be interesting in or out of the Conan universe. It would take some work though but i think a lot of movies transferred to gaming might be ok.

 

[perfectslumbers]

RPG genre is a power fantasy and story of archetypal hero with few exceptions. Traditionally, a hero archetype is male, strong, and noble. He has to overcome obstacles, suffer defeats and tragedies before he will overcome his foes and marry a beautiful maiden in the end. Nothing wrong with the archetypes and myths. The problem arises when the modern entertainment writers try to "subvert expectations" and produce dismal failures. Since the Russo-Ukrainian war was already mentioned how many Russian or Ukrainian women became war heroines instead of becoming refugees in Poland or Russia?
Eowyn the Shieldmaiden of Rohan is the archetypal heroine in the legendary LOTR but the feminists hate her and never mention her. Why? Eowyn loved Aragorn unrequitedly and went to war seeking death. She destroyed the Witch-king of Angmar with Merry's help and then she fell in love and married Faramir, becoming a healer. We need more heroines like Eowyn in RPGs and everywhere in entertainment.

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Eowyn is a great character. I do find it weird that women basically HAVE to be subverted in all media. When is the last time you've seen a woman who embodies motherly or healing qualities, or any other traditional qualities? You would think in a diverse world that traditional gender roles would still be a viable option but they've been basically completely erased. Perhaps it's the increasing focus on either relateable or power fantasy characters over everything else, but I find it strange that I can count the fantasy works I've read/played that have women in traditional roles on a single hand.

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

Since you spoke about bows @KörangarTheMighty ,Strength was also used for Composite Longbows and shortbows(you used your Str modifier for damage) in D&D 3e and 3.5(don't know about AD&D). It makes sense,you also need hand-eye coordination(dexterity),good vision and upper body strength.

Yes, I agree mostly. My two prior posts were just to say that of the three stats, dexterity is by far the least important for archery. Hand-eye coordination is not something that comes up, except in the nock. Accuracy is governed by strength and int, since it's the arms, shoulders and torso that do the adjusting and the mind does the math for leading the target.

 

[Bastardchops]

If they're going to do party romance it'd be interesting for an rpg to let your characters have children.

 

[Harthwain]

Finally,should there even be women in RPG's?

Are you gay or something? Because, yes, there should be fucking women around. In any genre.

In terms of roles - while women can't really compare to men 1:1 in terms of physical strength, it is plausible for them to fill the roles of archers, rogues or mages.

 

[Harthwain]

Also a reminder that women who are into bodybuilding,weightlifting and other sports usually associated with men do not really look all that feminine... just take a look at women's bodybuilding.

Bullshit. Professional budybuilders/weightlifters take steroids (both men and women, because they are in a competition). Of course they will look less feminine than women who work out without taking that shit.

Even if you aren't into muscular/fit women and more into curvy ones, there is the concept of "thick fit", which also has some super hot stuff. Still - both can be only found in gyms.

 

[NecroLord]

The problem arises when the modern entertainment writers try to "subvert expectations" and produce dismal failures. Since the Russo-Ukrainian war was already mentioned how many Russian or Ukrainian women became war heroines instead of becoming refugees in Poland or Russia?

Yeah,most of those bitches are instagram E-thots. I bet most of them also have OnlyFans accounts.
But they are heroines!!!! They posed in military gear!! They have photos of them while bravely wielding guns and defending Ukraine! Since the West and EU said it is true,then it must be true. Slava Ukraynya and midget hero Zelenskyiy!

Harthwain You completely missed my point,silly.
That's the truth. The vast majority of women who are into bodybuilding(and take "stuff") look like freaks.
Sure,women do work out(to improve their physique,with heavy focus on hips,gee I wonder why...).

 

[Reinhardt]

From a "realism" point of view there should not be any female fighters, at least human ones.

you know, male human is no match for troll or giant in melee either.

 

[Harthwain]

@Harthwain You completely missed my point,silly.
That's the truth. The vast majority of women who are into bodybuilding(and take "stuff") look like freaks.

Sure, but this applies to both women AND men who do extreme bodybuilding, so I guess I am still missing your point. There are healthy limits for both men and women when it comes to gaining muscles/losing fat.

 

[Reinhardt]

Gothic was a homophobia simulator considering how much beating you deliver to npcs in the Colony. Makes the game even more based imo.

it was just revenge. do you really believe one punch and "welcome to the colony" is all you got?

 

[Bastardchops]

Finally,should there even be women in RPG's?

Are you gay or something? Because, yes, there should be fucking women around. In any genre.

In terms of roles - while women can't really compare to men 1:1 in terms of physical strength, it is plausible for them to fill the roles of archers, rogues or mages.

Cease this pathetic simpery. EMBRACE the GAY.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

it is plausible for them to fill the roles of archers

https://www.nbcolympics.com/news/archery-101-equipment

Bow: In Olympic archery, competitors use recurve bows that draw an average of around 48.5 pounds for the men and 33 pounds for the women. The bow may have a mechanical sight, but no optical enhancements. It also may feature stabilizers on the bow.

 

[Lord_Potato]

In terms of roles - while women can't really compare to men 1:1 in terms of physical strength, it is plausible for them to fill the roles of archers, rogues or mages.

You need lots of physical strength to draw a bow, especially longbow. Even more when you need to do it repeatedly in a heat of the battle. That's a myth archery is for dexterous weaklings.

 

[Nazrim Eldrak]

 

[Dadd]

Amazing...!

 

[Reinhardt]

AMAZING! 5 pullups! we needed 8 iirc in middle school just to pass, more for good scores.

 

[Nazrim Eldrak]

AMAZING! 5 pullups! we needed 8 iirc in middle school just to pass, more for good scores.

Please show me with a video how you climb a street lamp and do 8 pull ups and all the cool stuff you learned in school as a well aged average man. I'm waiting !

 

[Harthwain]

You need lots of physical strength to draw a bow, especially longbow. Even more when you need to do it repeatedly in a heat of the battle. That's a myth archery is for dexterous weaklings.

True, but using the English longbow as an example is misleading - even a regular man wouldn't be able to draw the true English longbow just like that. I mean, we're talking ~81 pounds/37 kilograms. A bow used for deer hunting is 40 pounds/18 kilograms (at least). This is a significant difference in terms of strength requirement.

Furthermore, while a longbow could pierce plate armour, you don't need all that power when you're aiming for unprotected spots. In fact, you'd be better off using a composite bow for that purpose, as it is faster to reload and more efficient in terms of size of the bow. And if you still have a problem with that, there is always a crossbow. You could lower the amount of force you need reload a crossbow to half by using a rope cocker.

 

[Fargus]

Gothic was a homophobia simulator considering how much beating you deliver to npcs in the Colony. Makes the game even more based imo.

it was just revenge. do you really believe one punch and "welcome to the colony" is all you got?

I do believe so, plus Diego saves your ass just in time.

But people see things they want to see i guess.