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Reinhardt

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AMAZING! 5 pullups! we needed 8 iirc in middle school just to pass, more for good scores.
Please show me with a video how you climb a street lamp and do 8 pull ups and all the cool stuff you learned in school as a well aged average man. I'm waiting :-D!
:hmmm:
i still can do 15-20. doing it regularly at school stadium near my house with friend. ~10 at spring, because i'm fat and lazy after winter. no lamppost climbing tho. me no chimp.
 

FriendlyMerchant

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Core strength isn't there and that type of archery is entirely strength-based. To this day, I have no idea why D&D insists on keeping it dexterity-based.

I never understood it either. I mean, I can see they did it for more variety in gameplay with different stats / mechanics. But it feels so forced and illogical. You need good strength even for to draw & fire a 75lbs longbow for a few times. I'm not even talking about for 120lbs or 140+lbs longbows.
It's much more complex than that. Most strong athletes who we may think of as having a higher STR score would fail to use a longbow properly in spite of being so strong since they have not developed their muscles to use a bow. But along the same lines, I've never understood why STR was connected to hit chance or gave damage bonuses with most of the weapons it does. But then again D&D and rpg systems are filled with all sorts of non-sequiturs.
I cringe whenever I see a skinny edgy guy who masters longbow in RPGs.
You don't have to be that big or strong. The average guy with a longbow was at best an average guy. They were simply just required being Yeomen or of some conscription eligible class in England to practice with one regularly.
 

Sarathiour

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I assume that they considered the hand-eye coordination more important, and I doubt most fights happened at very long ranges

The thing with archery is that holding the weight of the draw with the correct posture is essential to being able to aim properly. I used to shoot selfbows as a hobby as a kid and my issue was maintaining stability in my arm as the sessions dragged on. Dexterity is only really required for fitting the arrow to the string quickly. The rest is actually intelligence-based which is judging distance, wind, arc etc.

True, but using the English longbow as an example is misleading - even a regular man wouldn't be able to draw the true English longbow just like that. I mean, we're talking ~81 pounds/37 kilograms. A bow used for deer hunting is 40 pounds/18 kilograms (at least). This is a significant difference in terms of strength requirement.

Grouping those together. I am not going to pretend to be some archery grandmaster, but the longbow is rarely the weapon of choice of the adventurer, as most fight take place in rather close range and are more akin to a skirmish than a pitched battle. Shortbow and recurved bow certainly require a set amount of strength, but not one unachievable for a properly trained women, though she's obviously going to have an harder time at first than a man.
Dexterity has always been a rather vague characteristic, it's not a stretch by any mean to make hand/eyes coordination rely on it. You also seems to forgot that any class that could use a bow need some stats requirements, so someone with 6 STR won't be able to use a bow. Anyway you can check old pulp magazine, there is high chance that even bowomen are presented as decently muscular.
There is also a reason why archer are portrayed as female, it's because if using bow is indeed a rather intensive activity that require quite a lot of strength and stamina, brawling in melee would require even more.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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Can't say I know shit about archery. So i just look at vids.



These women don't look particularly gym buff.


 

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bodyweight class, but those are tiny minorities. The natural healthy female bodyfat level is so high that they can be packing huge guns under all their arm flab without their arms looking manly.

At a normal body fat level the fat is really all there is on women's arms, that's why even casual weight lifting shows on them easily. But despite of it, their upper body strength is equal approximately to that of an 8 year old boy.
 

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Historical archery is a topic I know a lot about, and I'd love to discuss it... in a different thread.
 
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pound for pound, women are weaker than men. Not only do they have less muscle mass, but it's also just weaker.

Human women are not suited to be physical combatants. And no, you can't make the argument of "but muh dragons don't exist either so why not female knights", because human women exist. Every setting, especially fantasy ones, should be internally consistent otherwise you end up with bottom-tier garbage like the Forgotten Realms.
Want strong women? Fine, design a species that would logically have physically strong women. If you just copy real world humans except "women stronk!!!" I'm going to call you a terrible world builder.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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bodyweight class, but those are tiny minorities. The natural healthy female bodyfat level is so high that they can be packing huge guns under all their arm flab without their arms looking manly.

At a normal body fat level the fat is really all there is on women's arms, that's why even casual weight lifting shows on them easily. But despite of it, their upper body strength is equal approximately to that of an 8 year old boy.
You must be a fucking retard.



Now average american and some other countries are probably much more pathetic due to lifestyles, but a 400 lbs water buffalo still takes a bit of strength to walk hobble around that a 8 yo boy couldn't prolly muster.
 

KateMicucci

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bodyweight class, but those are tiny minorities. The natural healthy female bodyfat level is so high that they can be packing huge guns under all their arm flab without their arms looking manly.

At a normal body fat level the fat is really all there is on women's arms, that's why even casual weight lifting shows on them easily. But despite of it, their upper body strength is equal approximately to that of an 8 year old boy.
You must be a fucking retard.


1st vid is not upper body strength, mostly core and lower body
2nd vid, what is kicking a tree supposed to prove?
 

KeighnMcDeath

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I also posted bow vids. And she still had to lift those logs. She didn't just magically transport them to her back. 8 yo boy str? Ok. Like i said, fucking retarded comparison.
 

KateMicucci

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I also posted bow vids. And she still had to lift those logs. She didn't just magically transport them to her back. 8 yo boy str? Ok. Like i said, fucking retarded comparison.
The bow vids don't prove anything either. Women typically use bows with draw weights of only 20-25#s
 

KeighnMcDeath

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You're saying the average woman of any age is no stronger than the average 8 year old boy? That's just a fucking stupid statement.

http://anchorthatpoint.com/how-to-choose-a-youth-compound-bow/

Which Draw Weight For Youth Bows​

This can be a tough question to answer. As we all are different, so are our kids. The draw weight for bows for young children (9 to 13 years old) is usually between 14 to 24 pounds.

Sometimes an 8 year old can pull a bow that has 20 lbs and, on the other hand, there are tweens that are not able to pull that weight back. As you can see, choosing the right poundage depends a lot on the individual’s strength.

https://1source.basspro.com/news-tips/archery/5039/bow-buyers-guide-women-and-youth

For recreational archery: A draw weight between 25 and 35 pounds is a good place to start for most adult women.

Your retardation is so bad I wish i could punch you to death and hack your corpse up with my machete and axe then toss you into the rat pit.
 

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I also posted bow vids. And she still had to lift those logs. She didn't just magically transport them to her back. 8 yo boy str? Ok. Like i said, fucking retarded comparison.

Let's assume all those logs weigh 30 kg. An 8 year old boy can't lift that? Even prepubescent boys have more T coursing through them than adult women, and more muscle mass thanks to the Y chromosome.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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The main point is this is about in RPGS. Who the fuck really cares how accurate compared to irl? Old games that had no modifiers for stats played fine no matter what gender or name or race.

Fucking autistic OCD fucktards ponder the REAL vs IMAGINARY. Its a game so fucking what. I don't simp for stupid cunts or bitches of either gender but some compaisons are beyond the retard barrier.
 
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KateMicucci

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You're saying the average woman of any age is no stronger than the average 8 year old boy? That's just a fucking stupid statement.

http://anchorthatpoint.com/how-to-choose-a-youth-compound-bow/

Which Draw Weight For Youth Bows​

This can be a tough question to answer. As we all are different, so are our kids. The draw weight for bows for young children (9 to 13 years old) is usually between 14 to 24 pounds.

Sometimes an 8 year old can pull a bow that has 20 lbs and, on the other hand, there are tweens that are not able to pull that weight back. As you can see, choosing the right poundage depends a lot on the individual’s strength.

https://1source.basspro.com/news-tips/archery/5039/bow-buyers-guide-women-and-youth

For recreational archery: A draw weight between 25 and 35 pounds is a good place to start for most adult women.

Your retardation is so bad I wish i could punch you to death and hack your corpse up with my machete and axe then toss you into the rat pit.
The youth archery recommendation includes little girls too.

Most archers I know would say 35# is heavy for a woman, especially a beginner. The article writer certainly had a compound bow in mind with that recommendation. The women in the vids you posted earlier were using traditional bows which are a lot harder to aim with high poundages than compounds.

Yeah, 8 year old boys use the same poundage bows as adult women. Get over it.
 

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