Let's bitch about STEAM! - The Thread!

[Jasede]

I don't get where you are coming from. It's a store like any other. There are pros and cons. You can get your games through other ways, if you prefer. It offers convenience for those who are willing to pay the price or who consider the price too negligible.

I don't understand why you have to wage a Holy War on either side. Daoism, guys, you should try it.

 

[pocahaunted]

Heh, I don't go out of my way to bash Steam unless there's a reason for it. I don't create threads about how much I hate Steam or why I think it sucks, but I do voice my opinion when the topic is brought up. Steam fans, however, seem to have a tendency to defend their preferred platform as if a personal attack had been launched, which I think might stem from the whole personality cult and idolatry surrounding the platform.

Considering how I refuse to install it, I think it's understandable why I'd dislike the fact that some games want to force consumers to use Steam in order to legally obtain a copy. As such, the more draconian shenanigans Steam gets away with, the worse off I'll be in the future, simply because anyone that doesn't accept Steam's monopolistic terms is eventually either forced to conform or forget games altogether (unless you want to be branded a crimianl and social pariah for depriving Papa Riccitiello and co. of their hard earned megabucks).

 

[Jasede]

I like Steam but I don't like the idea that a game should force you to install it. It somehow seems to violate the free market. Does that sound dumb? You should be the one who chooses where you get your games from and what service you want to use.

 

[pocahaunted]

That's exactly my problem with it, I wouldn't care and can actually see the merits of having the option to use a centralized digital distribution service with a vast library for those who don't care about physical mediums, but being shoehorned into installing a third party program that is utterly unnecessary is just too intrusive.

 

[Krash]

I'm partial to Steam. Wouldn't cry if it died tomorrow, since the few games I have on it aren't what I'd call my favs (those I buy from GoG or get the discs). Still sucks that NV requires it though.

That's funny, that's what I think about all the people portraying Steam as the coming of Jesus and who go every time a flaw about it is uttered.

The only person having a meltdown here is you buddy.

This is most of this thread:

DUDE/TRANNY: STEAM SUCKS SO FUCKING MUCH BECAUSE I SAYS SO

DUDE/TRANNY2: Steam isn't all bad - like most things it's got it's pros and cons. (Lists pros and cons.)

DUDE/TRANNY: OH MY FUCKIN GOD YOU RAVING FANBOY YOUR FUCKTARDED

(With apologies to BLOBERT)

Going skyway all over the place doesn't make you the voice of reason, just fyi, it makes you the same as TES or bioware fanboys.

 

[Infinitron]

Which I see as the beginning of a framework to to be able to END OF RINE any mods that the publisher or Valve doesn't like.

...which will tragically end sgc_meltdown's posting career.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

Rather than the career that you speak of, my coverage of the decline is a not-for-profit enterprise and hardly limited to the sub-subsection that are fine amateur videogame mods

an area you will find that I have been neglecting in recent months(i.e. this year) due to lack of active candidate supply because

1) Bioware modding will never reach the Bethesda mod community's level
2) Skyrim hasn't been modded enough yet
3) I posted most of the nutty TES mods in the old BTE thread already and I dislike reposting stuff

In short your face needs to stop lying and where are my videogame tax breaks

 

[Gragt]

This is most of this thread:

DUDE/TRANNY: STEAM SUCKS SO FUCKING MUCH BECAUSE I SAYS SO

DUDE/TRANNY2: FUKC YOU! STEAM IS GREAT BECAUSE I SAYD SO! I SUCK GABEN'S BLACL COCK IN RETROSPECT!

DUDE/TRANNY: OH MY FUCKIN GOD YOU RAVING FANBOY YOUR FUCKTARDED

This is more accurate.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

Here is a cool experiment for you guys:

Go to the store and buy a boxed version of game, say "Fallout: New Vegas" for example.

Next turn off your internet connection.

Install and start playing F:NV without turning it back on.

Then you can go around telling people that Steam has "No DRM".

I don't turn off my internet connection. Ever.

 

[Jasede]

I haven't turned it off in, oh, eight years.

 

[Cassidy]

And for how many years have you behaved like a herd of sheeple?

 

[Deleted member 7219]

Fact of the matter is, Steam isn't DRM in any real sense. If you want to call it DRM then you demean the word. When most people think of DRM they think of activations, shit like TAGES and Securom that installs stuff on your drive that serves no purpose other than to block you accessing your legitimately purchased games. I've had this experience in recent titles like Risen and Batman: Arkham Asylum/Arkham City. If I had bought them on Steam the first time around I wouldn't have had those problems.

If you want to turn off the internet, all you have to do is go into offline mode.

 

[octavius]

Also not to be mean or anything but Gabe is morbidly obese and he is 49 years old. He could die at any time, it happens routinely to guys his age and size.

Sex can be good exercise, but I guess he lets the hookers do all the work...

 

[Lunac]

If you want to turn off the internet, all you have to do is go into offline mode.

Which brings us back to a often reported issue of "offline" mode malfunctioning and being really a "semi-offline" mode at best, something that was mentioned in this thead, can be googled, and a problem that has been around for at least 4-5 years now. (One could say it was like that by design.) Of course, one would need to read this thread starting at the page 1, and would also need to remove their head from Gabe's butthole to do so properly.



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[Jaesun]

butthole

 

[Edwin]

When you buy a book, even one that you want to always have a copy of, do you really expect, with 100% certainty, that that individual book will last you for the rest of your life?

yes

Ive seen more few hundred years old books than I can count and a lifetime is rarely as long as 100 years

 

[ScottishMartialArts]

When you buy a book, even one that you want to always have a copy of, do you really expect, with 100% certainty, that that individual book will last you for the rest of your life?

yes

Ive seen more few hundred years old books than I can count and a lifetime is rarely as long as 100 years

Really? With 100% certainty? I find that hard to believe. 100 year old books are generally quite rare after all.

 

[Achilles]

Here is a cool experiment for you guys:

Go to the store and buy a boxed version of game, say "Fallout: New Vegas" for example.

Next turn off your electricity.

Try playing F:NV without turning it back on.

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Those fuckers, they were shoehorning DRM into our lives before games were even invented!

 

[Outlander]

Point is you should still be able to game without Steam, you silly goose ^^

If people have no problem with incorporating even MORE (and in this case completely unneeded) dependencies into their every day life activities, well, I can only assume those people are morons, especially when they go out of their way to defend such dependencies.

 

[Spectacle]

Point is you should still be able to game without Steam, you silly goose ^^

If people have no problem with incorporating even MORE (and in this case completely unneeded) dependencies into their every day life activities, well, I can only assume those people are morons, especially when they go out of their way to defend such dependencies.

People just don't like being called sheeple because they're happy with a system that works fine and causes them zero problems. The haters need to understand that for many people steam is much more convenient than boxed games with DVDs and shit.

I keep hearing about the dodgy offline mode in steam, but my internet hasn't been down when I wanted to play a steam game even once for the last 10 years so I've never experienced myself. The slight risk of not being able to play sometime is far less of an issue than filling up my home with useless game boxes and discs.

 

[Grim Monk]

If you want to turn off the internet, all you have to do is go into offline mode.

Sigh...

I know about "Offline Mode", that is completely beside the point.

You have to do a "Online Authentication" before the game will even install in the first place...

That is DRM.

The option to install patches & updates quickly and easily is all very good.
But its something that a ton of other people besides Steam do.

And you can put any version of Ubuntu on :D as many Flash Drives as you want.
Then you can install it on as many computers both online and off as you want.

There is no reason Steam can't do all the things people like about it with out mandatory "Online Authentications".

But it won't do that because Steam is "the house that DRM built."
It gives the big Publishers a closed, locked down platform to distribute games on the PC.
Its the same reason Apple's Itunes/App Store got so big...

 

[Konjad]

I like Steam. Whatcha gonna do about it?

 

[SuicideBunny]

steam would be better if it enforced no secondary drms like fucking gfwl or origin for games offered through steam.

 

[Outlander]

Point is you should still be able to game without Steam, you silly goose ^^

If people have no problem with incorporating even MORE (and in this case completely unneeded) dependencies into their every day life activities, well, I can only assume those people are morons, especially when they go out of their way to defend such dependencies.

People just don't like being called sheeple because they're happy with a system that works fine and causes them zero problems. The haters need to understand that for many people steam is much more convenient than boxed games with DVDs and shit.

I keep hearing about the dodgy offline mode in steam, but my internet hasn't been down when I wanted to play a steam game even once for the last 10 years so I've never experienced myself. The slight risk of not being able to play sometime is far less of an issue than filling up my home with useless game boxes and discs.

The 'haters' have nothing against Steam as a video games catalog, that part of it is awesome. There are people who love the boxed editions of their games and there are people who don't, for whatever reasons. For the latter, Steam (and GoG for example) provide a huge catalog of digital editions and that's really cool, because even if you do prefer boxes, there are some games you're just not going to find a physical copy of.

That's all fine and dandy, the problem comes when instead of a games catalog the plataform turns into a form of DRM installing itself in your system, forcing you to load your games through a buggy and resources-hog software and demanding an internet connection to activate/play the games you bought.

If your connection hasn't been down in 10 years well good for you, I guess you have an incredibly awesome ISP and you never moved to another house but that is irrelevant, since you're missing the big picture just because it happens to work for you, and you don't mind depending on Steam/internet to play ypur games. You see, I love my whisky and coke, but I don't defend alcohol consumption, and certainly don't promote it.

If an internet connection were free and available like the air we breathe, I still wouldn't use Steam.

 

[Spectacle]

If your connection hasn't been down in 10 years well good for you, I guess you have an incredibly awesome ISP and you never moved to another house but that is irrelevant, since you're missing the big picture just because it happens to work for you, and you don't mind depending on Steam/internet to play ypur games. You see, I love my whisky and coke, but I don't defend alcohol consumption, and certainly don't promote it.

I already said that I have no problem understanding why many don't want to use steam, my issue is with those who think that those of us that have no problems must be morons for not understanding how shitty steam is.
Steam certainly isn't the perfect download service, but for many of us the pros outweigh the cons.

 

[DwarvenFood]

If you want to turn off the internet, all you have to do is go into offline mode.

But what if the internet turns itself off on you first (ISP fucks up, bill not payed, laptop out of wifi range), then you are fucked because you did not go in offline mode while still being online (mind-boggling, I know)