Wasteland Wasteland 2 Pre-Release Discussion Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[mindx2]

Not even mentioning how deep into the uncanny valley we will delve into when we will constantly see references or in-forum jokes to special groups, like the codex, NMA etc? Am I seriosly the only one who is bothered by crap like this?

Nope :p, not bothered in the least. You and Skyway need to calm down. It's all in fun (you know, what a game is supposed to be) and it generated some excitement around here. Big deal. My guess, and yes it's just a guess, is that Brian will make sure these "Easter Eggs" are very subtle and will blend into the setting/ game. I can't wait to see our glorious statue lying unkempt, defaced, broken, etc. somewhere in the wasteland!!

 

[Clockwork Knight]

...Are you serious? I don't think changing Random Town's bar sign from "BILL'S BAR" to "NO MUTANTS ALLOWED" takes more than a few minutes.

Fargo: "Sorry guys, we wanted to make your dream game with deep tactical combat, but I had to add a "You see a plaque: Sozialdemokratische Partei Potatolands" description for a certain statue in Random Town, and I'm exhausted! No more work for me for at least 5 months. Hope you enjoy the diablo combat."

Seriously, it's fine if the concept of easter eggs annoys you, but you really think implementing them is gonna fuck over the combat? It's a gameworld object, not a full fledged romanceable tranny NPC with voice acting and customized behavior.

 

[MisterStone]

Here's my new response to the whole barbie doll gameplay thread:

http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=248&p=8007#p8007

bros, have I served our cause well here?

 

[Weierstraß]

So, why do people put money towards Wasteland 2 if they don't want Wasteland 2?

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

How can you be so sure? Have you some knowledge (the combat system it uses etc) of how the game will be we don't have yet?

Kind of disappointed you're not dead, tbh.

Also:

Alsoplustoo: Added 'eternality' to the hall of retards. I waited as long as I could, but he/she deserves to be there.

 

[Surf Solar]

Ah! Thank you for wishing me dead, thats even too low for 9gag and the Bioware Social Network.


Internet Warfare fuck yeah!


While we are at the lowest rating of internet shit you started, can I start to add nonsense without providing any arguments like you did too?

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Didn't say I wished for it. Just that...you know, it hasn't happened. And that's a bit of a downer.

 

[Surf Solar]

Yeah, you just figuratively asked for it you fucktard. Goes to show, I guess.

You want to share some of your private stuff on here or on NMA? No problem, just get it started. I dont even know what the fuck you have against me. oO

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Yeah, you just figuratively asked for it you fucktard. Goes to show, I guess.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

I dont even know what the fuck you have against me.

Absolutely nothing. You're just very easy to rile up.

 

[Surf Solar]

Thank you so much, this smiley cleared it all.


E: So, wishing someone dead and then reacting to it is "riling up"? Ok, then, I guess. Maybe just stay away from the bourbon, just for a minute?

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Dude. If you think that I really wish you were dead you have some serious insecurity issues. I actually dig you from what I remember of most of our interactions. Fuck Buttons, duh. But yeah, you're like me. You rile easily. And sure, a little bourbon and it's fun. No worries, dude. I've never been actually seriously fucking with you. Just, hehe...fucking with you. That said, in all seriousness, I agree with some of the things you have issues with some of the time. But I think you overreact. I think you let your overreactions get the best of you and it impairs your judgement. That part is me being serious with you. Make of it what you will.

 

[jewboy]

I have to agree with agree with skyway and surf solar on the statue thing. It's hard to deny that the statue thing is pretty gay. OTOH, you guys have managed to pony up like $7500 or whatever and that is great. If it motivated you guys to melt down some gold fillings it's probably worth it. So if you really want a statue for it in-game what can I say? But I think pretty much any other kind of easter egg would be better. I don't have a problem with the NMA bar name. That even fits in with the story. But the name "RPG Codex" is totally fourth wall and the MCA statue while cool in a way better be well hidden. I think some kind of OTT game character could maybe be beating a bunch of whiney children to death with someone's leg with a "Codex" tattoo on it or something like that. Something to emphasize the extreme badass and war-like nature of this place. it's sort of the forum equivalent of the wasteland itself actually. No matter what making all this kind of crap is going to take development time away from the core game mechanics. So there is a price. And I definitely think the 1 year development time is extremely optimistic. All the Biotards and Bethfucks don't seem to get that at all. All those bullshit bells and whistles that don't matter at all.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

I really don't think it's going to be a big deal, you guys. And seriously? This might not be the game of our dreams. Let's just get used to that possibility right now. This might piss EVERYBODY off. Keep that as an option. But I'll be fucked and arsed if we haven't given this motherfucker everything we've got. Ok? So just don't piss on me while I'm in the shower. Let us just try to be at least a little positive and hopeful and wait for disappointment before we start shitting all over the place.

 

[MisterStone]

Wow, people getting really emotional here. It's almost like the LGBTQ thread in that Wasteland forum.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Fargot said "a shrine or a codex shrine or something else if you have a clever idea." I don't get why some of you think that development time and resources will take a hit because of that, or that there will be a huge immershun-breaking "RPG CODEX TROLL - VISIT RPGCODEX.NET TO GET THE JOKE" neon sign next to it.

Remember the Unwashed Villagers x Spammer encounter in FO2? That was as inside joke as it gets, and even then it was hard to understand wtf it was all about.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Hehe. Yeah. Enough of this shit. Anybody with something a bit more fun?

Remember the Unwashed Villagers x Spammer encounter in FO2? That was as inside joke as it gets, and even then it was hard to understand wtf it was about.

Yes! And I'll admit I had no fucking idea what that was about my first time and I played that game from a box off the shelf. No idea...but I could tell there was something there I sort of wished I understood...and I knew that was awesome.

 

[Surf Solar]

Sorry for all, but we cleared that misunderstanding behind the walls.


Wasteland 2 fuck yeah!

 

[Oesophagus]

I'm kinda worried about forcing these easter eggs. The unwashed villagers was good, because you didn't expect it, or most likely didn't know wtf was up. The way this thing is unravelling, we may end up playing the game and just from time to time saying "what's that? oh, probablly a reference to someone who donated". I'm guessing a lot of the names of people who pledged won't be that out of place, because let's face it, you've gotta name the NPCs anyway, so it might as well be real names. But from the amount of pledge rewards, I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a clusterfuck of references.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Yeah, yeah. But what the fuck is our alternative really? Even if this is "sorta ok" it's still a great revolutionary step, right? We're messing with the established modern formula. We've had pitchforks made of foam for years and that's it. Admit it, hope for the best and speak your mind. That's literally all any of us have right now.

 

[Oesophagus]

Yeah, yeah. But what the fuck is our alternative really? Even if this is "sorta ok" it's still a great revolutionary step, right? We're messing with the established modern formula. We've had pitchforks made of foam for years and that's it. Admit it, hope for the best and speak your mind. That's literally all any of us have right now.

Admittedly, it is a small price to pay for the prospect of an old-school RPG taking the likes of Ass Defect into a dark room, bending it over, greasing it up, and aiming for penetration

 

[Alex_Steel]

I'm also wary of the 18 month development cycle he talks about. For reference, Fallout 1 took 3 years and $3 million dollars from what I've read. That's enough to make one worry about Wasteland 2, especially considering the company designing the game. Fallout 1 started development in the mid 90's. Then again, Fallout 1 used a brand new, from scratch engine. Being able to license an existing engine and tweak it probably takes far, far less time than going form scratch.

However, from what BF has been saying, it seems like the entire storyline and world is mostly written already? Or maybe it's just the storyline. 6 months planning and 12 months development isn't much, and he seems deadset on getting it out in October 2013.

The last thing we'd need is this thing to be rushed out half-finished with no money to patch or finish it. I'll feel a lot more comfortable about this if the Kickstarter hits something like 3 million. The downside to Kickstarter is that you get the funding, and then you're on your own. Unless you setup some outside Paypal donations or something, you have to be a budgeting aspie to make sure your fixed budget lasts long enough to finish the game.

God, this is worrying.

Production has changed since then. A single pc today can process x1000 data compared to a pc in the mid-90s. It's faster to render simple 3d models, it's faster to design backgrounds and change textures, it's faster working with modern programming languages and gaming machines.

 

[treave]

Or maybe you guys just throw in a few simple suggestions and let the devs work their touch on it. The best easter eggs are the ones that the devs design. It'd certainly spoil the whole fucking surprise if they just copied one of our lengthily written ideas lock, stock and barrel. It'd certainly be unoriginal too, and I'd prefer the devs exercise their creativity with regards to RPG Codex.

Let them have the chance to design a simple, cheeky little tribute to us. I don't believe that it's impossible for them.

 

[Infinitron]

I briefly peeked over there...

Wasteland is not about marriages, relationships, house building, or any of that stuff. Hey, I like all of those things SOMETIMES in some games. It doesn't need to be in every single game. I donated my money because I want to get what Wasteland was and I can't get anymore... turn-based, squad-based, top-down, world exploring, post-apocalyptic gaming goodness.

Spend that time making stuff equally as good as Fenster's Mind Maze, the Citadel, and all the rest before you start worrying about putting in all of the myriad romantic options it would take to please 21rst century gamers.

On a side note, honestly, I sometimes thing people that demand that stuff IN EVERY SINGLE GAME are missing something from their lives. Either that or they are looking for some sort of validation that yes, if this world was only a post-apocalypic wasteland that they could have a house and a LUH-VAH. Yes, if I was the dragonborn I *KNOW* I could have a female Nord following me around and carrying all of my stuff. If I was the savior of the galaxy, I too could get hot alien sexxin.

If you feel that way, just go out and get involved in life. You can find someone out there to help you fulfill your life. Don't tarnish MY video game with it - at least not until the GOOD stuff is in it.

DarkUnderlord, give this man a developer title!

 

[felipepepe]

Not even mentioning how deep into the uncanny valley we will delve into when we will constantly see references or in-forum jokes to special groups, like the codex, NMA etc? Am I seriosly the only one who is bothered by crap like this?

Yes, knowing that they have more than 100 easter eggs to include in the game is troublesome...but then again, he already raised $1,250,000. He would definetly make less money with less atractive tiers, so perhaps the tradeoff pays. He is more experienced as a producer than anyone, so I like to believe that he knows what he is doing. Besides, most of the easter eggs will probably just be something like "Mad Dog Fargo", "No Mutant's Allowed Bar", or just a "Notched Pickaxe" like in Skyrim.