Wasteland Wasteland 2 Pre-Release Discussion Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[SuicideBunny]

RPG and point & adventure are hardly comparable

in terms of what? because they both come from pnp rpgs and complement each other pretty well, as qfg demonstrates.

 

[FeelTheRads]

RPG and point & adventure are hardly comparable

in terms of what? because they both come from pnp rpgs and complement each other pretty well, as qfg demonstrates.

In terms of scope. A point&click adventure being a much easier game to not only create but also to test.

 

[Blaine]

in terms of what? because they both come from pnp rpgs and complement each other pretty well, as qfg demonstrates.

I disagree. While it's true that Will Crowther was a Dungeons & Dragons player and that such imaginative interests are what led him to co-create Colossal Cave Adventure, it can just as easily be said that adventure games "come from caving," since that was also one of his inspirations. A number of prominent early adventure game creators had never played a tabletop roleplaying game.

Text adventure games are often referred to as "interactive fiction," and I believe that's the most correct description of the genre. There's some overlap with roleplaying games, and the two can certainly complement one another (I grew up with Quest for Glory), but I don't believe adventure games are directly attributable to tabletop RPGs. The genre could as easily have been born and existed independently from Dungeons & Dragons et al.

In terms of scope. A point&click adventure being a much easier game to not only create but also to test.

Adventure games aren't necessarily "easier" to create from a creative standpoint, though. If it were objectively easy to create them, we'd be swimming in tons of excellent adventure games, but the good ones are just as rare as good RPGs. RPGs typically present more technical challenges and require far more man-hours to execute properly due to their complexity.

 

[AN4RCHID]

The answer is to get a good manager to actually run the company and organise the finances (e.g. Feargus Urquhart

Lawl.

Don't laugh, Obsidian would have been bankrupt years ago if Feargy didn't know what he was doing. An 120 employee RPG-exclusive independent developer in fucking California? That's insane.

Okay sure, but he's criticizing Broken Age for going over budget... What Obsidian title didn't run out of money? (and don't fuckin say Dungeon Siege 3). DoubleFine's been around longer than Obsids, and I believe they are also based in California, and they own some of their own IPs, and they are generally in a much better place than OEI.

We'll see how Obsidian handles their KS funds though.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

That is the sound of goalposts being moved.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Adventure games aren't necessarily "easier" to create from a creative standpoint, though.

No, not from a creative standpoint, from a technical one. Which is why there are even more crappy adventure games than crappy RPGs.

 

[AN4RCHID]

That is the sound of goalposts being moved.

No it's not you dumb twat. You criticized Double Fine's money management and praised Fergie's. I lolled.

 

[Turjan]

Honestly, I expect pretty much all the Kickstarter projects I pledged to to run out of money. Even a few millions are not much if you have lots of people working on a project. Just add up a few salaries for a couple of years and the money is gone.

And before anyone get this idea, I don't mean that as apology. I have the feeling that many Kickstarters counted on getting a multiple of the goal sum, and then there's always the "we will probably get the missing funds somewhere else" factor. Which isn't good budgeting, but probably closer to reality than I'm comfortable with.

 

[Xi]

The issue is that these projects should never have large teams to begin with. Kickstarter can work just fine if you aim to develop a game with say 5-10 developers @ 50-60K a year. You don't need the brightest people, and you don't need a building full of nerds, you need some common sense.

So, if you can raise 3 Million on kickstarter, that should allow you to legitimately make a game with a small team on a 3 year development cycle (1 million a year on rent/power/equipment and salaries). The only issue is lack of proper management.

 

[AN4RCHID]

The issue is that these projects should never have large teams to begin with. Kickstarter can work just fine if you aim to develop a game with say 5-10 developers @ 50-60K a year. You don't need the brightest people, and you don't need a building full of nerds, you need some common sense.

So, if you can raise 3 Million on kickstarter, that should allow you to legitimately make a game with a small team on a 3 year development cycle (1 million a year on rent/power/equipment and salaries). The only issue is lack of proper management.

Sounds great, but projects like that don't get 3 million dollars.

 

[Xi]

The issue is that these projects should never have large teams to begin with. Kickstarter can work just fine if you aim to develop a game with say 5-10 developers @ 50-60K a year. You don't need the brightest people, and you don't need a building full of nerds, you need some common sense.

So, if you can raise 3 Million on kickstarter, that should allow you to legitimately make a game with a small team on a 3 year development cycle (1 million a year on rent/power/equipment and salaries). The only issue is lack of proper management.

Sounds great, but projects like that don't get 3 million dollars.

It could be done on much less. Even with 500,000 you could have 4 people working for 2 1/2 years. (Plenty of time to produce a workable game) 1 programmer, 1 artist, 1 sound person, and 1 game designer. Of course, everyone is a game designer, and everyone pitches in on everything possible.

Being kickstarter, the game should already have some level of prototype and design concept to begin with (which should save costs). So, it is entirely feasible if you don't aim for AAA production quality.

 

[Infinitron]

So, what games have you produced, Xi?

 

[Xi]

So, what games have you produced, Xi?

Your analogy is a catch 22 though. How was the first game created? Via imagination, intelligence, and hard work. Kickstarter is no different.

 

[Infinitron]

Yeah, thought so

 

[AN4RCHID]

The issue is that these projects should never have large teams to begin with. Kickstarter can work just fine if you aim to develop a game with say 5-10 developers @ 50-60K a year. You don't need the brightest people, and you don't need a building full of nerds, you need some common sense.

So, if you can raise 3 Million on kickstarter, that should allow you to legitimately make a game with a small team on a 3 year development cycle (1 million a year on rent/power/equipment and salaries). The only issue is lack of proper management.

Sounds great, but projects like that don't get 3 million dollars.

It could be done on much less. Even with 500,000 you could have 4 people working for 2 1/2 years. (Plenty of time to produce a workable game) 1 programmer, 1 artist, 1 sound person, and 1 game designer. Of course, everyone is a game designer, and everyone pitches in on everything possible.

Being kickstarter, the game should already have some level of prototype and design concept to begin with (which should save costs). So, it is entirely feasible if you don't aim for AAA production quality.

You're planning to pay your employees $5000 USD per year?

 

[Blaine]

You're planning to pay your employees $5000 USD per year?

$50,000. You accidentally a zero.

 

[Turjan]

It could be done on much less. Even with 500,000 you could have 4 people working for 2 1/2 years. (Plenty of time to produce a workable game) 1 programmer, 1 artist, 1 sound person, and 1 game designer. Of course, everyone is a game designer, and everyone pitches in on everything possible.

Given a salary of $60k, your $500,000 would last 1 year for those 4 people, given normal side costs of employing people. Space to work not included.

 

[AN4RCHID]

You're planning to pay your employees $5000 USD per year?

$50,000. You accidentally a zero.

derp.

 

[Jackalope]

They should try Bulgaria. There's plenty of highly educated and talented people over here who would probably work for $15k a year.

 

[Niggles]

So Wasteland 2.. coming within a few months.... who poney'd up for beta level access?

 

[Infinitron]

Wasteland 2 preview in GameStar: http://gamestar.idgshop.de/gamestar-aktuelle-ausgabe.htm?websale7=idg&ci=9-2881&Ctx={ver/7/ver}{st/3ea/st}{cmd/0/cmd}{m/websale/m}{s/idg/s}{l/Deutsch/l}{mi/9-2881/mi}{p1/17764707d81dced05eb0dd1b1acb8447/p1}{md5/e0d2fbeece98ebb34ec4a3e886b604fe/md5}

http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=74&p=73226#p73226

Grohal wrote:In the German "Gamestar" for August there is a great preview - some spoilers (factions, skills), but it really got me hungry for this game... no take back hungry, it let me starve for this game.

I was able to download the issue online. I think it was legal, but not 100% certain. Anyways, google translate wasn't very friendly but it looked like there wasn't a ton of new information in the main article itself. However, there are several new screenshots (6). Some of those look like areas we've already seen, just different parts of those areas and different angles. Additionally, it introduces 3 new factions that we have not been introduced before and gives a name to the Synth and priest factions from the gameplay demo. In all, it has snippets on 6 or 7 factions. It also has the most current list of skills with descriptions, which I didn't bother translating through all of those.

Looking forward to seeing all this in KS update; I'm guessing next month!

Anybody wanna buy it and scan it?

 

[Dantus12]

Wasteland 2 preview in GameStar: http://gamestar.idgshop.de/gamestar-aktuelle-ausgabe.htm?websale7=idg&ci=9-2881&Ctx={ver/7/ver}{st/3ea/st}{cmd/0/cmd}{m/websale/m}{s/idg/s}{l/Deutsch/l}{mi/9-2881/mi}{p1/17764707d81dced05eb0dd1b1acb8447/p1}{md5/e0d2fbeece98ebb34ec4a3e886b604fe/md5}

http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=74&p=73226#p73226

Grohal wrote:In the German "Gamestar" for August there is a great preview - some spoilers (factions, skills), but it really got me hungry for this game... no take back hungry, it let me starve for this game.

I was able to download the issue online. I think it was legal, but not 100% certain. Anyways, google translate wasn't very friendly but it looked like there wasn't a ton of new information in the main article itself. However, there are several new screenshots (6). Some of those look like areas we've already seen, just different parts of those areas and different angles. Additionally, it introduces 3 new factions that we have not been introduced before and gives a name to the Synth and priest factions from the gameplay demo. In all, it has snippets on 6 or 7 factions. It also has the most current list of skills with descriptions, which I didn't bother translating through all of those.

Looking forward to seeing all this in KS update; I'm guessing next month!

Anybody wanna buy it and scan it?

That isn't available until 31.7.
There is another one, are the Pistolero Priests known for example, search here doesn't tell anything?

 

[RedScum]

 

[Infinitron]

Link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....328366657212604.73806.319549084761028&type=1

As we’re getting closer to feature complete, we’ll have more frequent screenshots for you. Like this one, showing our intrepid band of rangers exploring the Rail Nomads camp.

 

[Sensuki]

Brother None can you PLEASE tell them to stop taking screenshots with Depth of Field on, it is so fucking annoying