Incline Warhammer 40,000 Lore Thread

[Fedora Master]

Considering the Legions each had Things going other than brutal murderfucking I like to imagine the Emperor did not intend to get rid of them. Much like the samurai turned into bureaucrats and artists when there was no war.

Not to mention putting a few thousand on a mountain is far easier than clandestinely murdering 6 million or however many Astartes there were at the time.

That would've worked, but not with all of the Legions.

To be fair, the Night Lords etc weren't supposed to become murderfuckers.

 

[Andnjord]

So they're going to reprint Rogue Trader.

Estimated delivery in 180 working days. That's not a typo or a joke, it says so on the website. Because the book's print on demand it somehow takes them 36 weeks to deliver it. You can order until November 6th, which to show an estimate on the delivery time if you ordered on that date the delivery would be around May 4th next year. Also it's 55 euros or your regional equivalent.

Lmao, I say.

Bit of an old one, but as far as I understand it this is because their books, unlike the miniatures which are printed in the UK, are printed in China on massive orders. So with this kind of reprint they have to send the order once finalised, wait for the chinks to print the books (which probably isn’t straight away since they too are likely to have some backlog), load the books on a cargo ship together with Codex Eldar, Tau and the latest Age of Sigmar stuff or whatever they plan on releasing in the next six months, wait for said ship to reach the UK (takes more than a month minimum) wait for said ship’s cargo to clear customs, wait for GW to sort out their order and inventorise them…….and you get my point.
Not the most time efficient method but I’m sure it’s VERY money efficient for GW (not for you of course!).

 

[Caim]

So they're going to reprint Rogue Trader.

Estimated delivery in 180 working days. That's not a typo or a joke, it says so on the website. Because the book's print on demand it somehow takes them 36 weeks to deliver it. You can order until November 6th, which to show an estimate on the delivery time if you ordered on that date the delivery would be around May 4th next year. Also it's 55 euros or your regional equivalent.

Lmao, I say.

Bit of an old one, but as far as I understand it this is because their books, unlike the miniatures which are printed in the UK, are printed in China on massive orders. So with this kind of reprint they have to send the order once finalised, wait for the chinks to print the books (which probably isn’t straight away since they too are likely to have some backlog), load the books on a cargo ship together with Codex Eldar, Tau and the latest Age of Sigmar stuff or whatever they plan on releasing in the next six months, wait for said ship to reach the UK (takes more than a month minimum) wait for said ship’s cargo to clear customs, wait for GW to sort out their order and inventorise them…….and you get my point.
Not the most time efficient method but I’m sure it’s VERY money efficient for GW (not for you of course!).

It's very mony efficient for me since I'm not going to buy this book.

 

[NecroLord]

Considering the Legions each had Things going other than brutal murderfucking I like to imagine the Emperor did not intend to get rid of them. Much like the samurai turned into bureaucrats and artists when there was no war.

Not to mention putting a few thousand on a mountain is far easier than clandestinely murdering 6 million or however many Astartes there were at the time.

That would've worked, but not with all of the Legions.

To be fair, the Night Lords etc weren't supposed to become murderfuckers.

Konrad wasn't supposed to be a loony murderfucker who flayed nostramans alive for jaywalking.
Though to be fair to him, Nostramo was one of the worst planets out there, with an incredibly depraved and evil population. His legion simply adopted his outlook and methods.

 

[Storyfag]

But the Blood Angels, Salamanders, Ultramarines, Emperor's Children, White Scars? Yes, they had a wide array of occupations and various interests, ranging from art to civil administration.

Also Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists - both interested in building grand structures.

 

[NecroLord]

But the Blood Angels, Salamanders, Ultramarines, Emperor's Children, White Scars? Yes, they had a wide array of occupations and various interests, ranging from art to civil administration.

Also Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists - both interested in building grand structures.

How could I forget the Thousand Sons?
Magnus was one of the nicest Primarchs, a seeker of knowledge and enlightenment for Humanity.
Though he was absolutely, supremely arrogant.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

I’ve lost interest in 40k for a variety of reasons, such as the obsession with space marines. Are there any other IPs providing alternatives? Is there a market for that?

 

[Louis_Cypher]

In terms of tabletop there are other space opera games, but none of them seem to have lore anywhere as interesting as Warhammer 40K, usually just typical American takes on space opera; nondescript marines fighting nondescript aliens, generic fluff, corporations in space, factions that are anime inspired, generic Warcraft style cartoony art, etc. Battletech is old and venerable though.

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Battletech

Impression: most well known one - origin of Battletech/Mechwarrior games - lots of space monarchy, relatively hard humans-only SF.

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Infinity

Impression: weaboo kill team - came about a few years back - nice miniatures but bland lore.

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Dropzone Commander / Dropship Commander

Impression: looks nice, but just two factions - a biological type alien race invading and humans - starship based version too.

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Deadzone

Impression: conscious Warhammer 40K ripoff that generifies everything for players who want cheaper minis - "marauders" above clearly Orks.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

In terms of tabletop there are other space opera games, but none of them seem to have lore anywhere as interesting as Warhammer 40K, usually just typical American takes on space opera; nondescript marines fighting nondescript aliens, generic fluff, corporations in space, factions that are anime inspired, generic Warcraft style cartoony art, etc.

Has anyone tried to change that? I have a few pitches myself.

 

[Caim]

I’ve lost interest in 40k for a variety of reasons, such as the obsession with space marines. Are there any other IPs providing alternatives? Is there a market for that?

You could give One Page Rules a shot, but it's designed as a 40k/Fantasy/AoS copy that you can use your models from those games for as a better alternative for their bloated rules.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

I’ve lost interest in 40k for a variety of reasons, such as the obsession with space marines. Are there any other IPs providing alternatives? Is there a market for that?

You could give One Page Rules a shot, but it's designed as a 40k/Fantasy/AoS copy that you can use your models from those games for as a better alternative for their bloated rules.

I've checked them out. I don't like their Alien Hive lore where the hives are now dealing with uprisings by lower castes who want democracy. That just makes no sense to me and kills any further interest from me in them expanding their lore. While I find the tyranids extremely boring and uninteresting as a storytelling tool while at the same time loving their metal af aesthetic, I think this goes too far in the other direction.

I'd probably have to make my own lore if my past experiences are anything to go by. Is there any market for original lore?

 

[Caim]

I’ve lost interest in 40k for a variety of reasons, such as the obsession with space marines. Are there any other IPs providing alternatives? Is there a market for that?

You could give One Page Rules a shot, but it's designed as a 40k/Fantasy/AoS copy that you can use your models from those games for as a better alternative for their bloated rules.

I've checked them out. I don't like their Alien Hive lore where the hives are now dealing with uprisings by lower castes who want democracy. That just makes no sense to me and kills any further interest from me in them expanding their lore. While I find the tyranids extremely boring and uninteresting as a storytelling tool while at the same time loving their metal af aesthetic, I think this goes too far in the other direction.

I'd probably have to make my own lore if my past experiences are anything to go by. Is there any market for original lore?

Everyone likes a good story, but don't expect to make any money off of it or its associated game.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

I’ve lost interest in 40k for a variety of reasons, such as the obsession with space marines. Are there any other IPs providing alternatives? Is there a market for that?

You could give One Page Rules a shot, but it's designed as a 40k/Fantasy/AoS copy that you can use your models from those games for as a better alternative for their bloated rules.

I've checked them out. I don't like their Alien Hive lore where the hives are now dealing with uprisings by lower castes who want democracy. That just makes no sense to me and kills any further interest from me in them expanding their lore. While I find the tyranids extremely boring and uninteresting as a storytelling tool while at the same time loving their metal af aesthetic, I think this goes too far in the other direction.

I'd probably have to make my own lore if my past experiences are anything to go by. Is there any market for original lore?

Everyone likes a good story, but don't expect to make any money off of it or its associated game.

I'm not expecting to make enough money to quit my day job, but I express myself as a form of social interaction and I'm leery of investing a ton of effort only to get no feedback.

 

[Akratus II]

I've also heard of Heralds of Ruin, which is a smaller skirmishy version of 40k and gets continually updated. Not entirely sure on the details though, I've never played it.

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[FritzedProcess]

So, those kikes at GW made too few Christmas boxes, which ran out in a matter of minutes. This shit gets worse every year, I swear.

 

[Shig]

This shit gets worse every year, I swear.

They did a great job with the Leviathan box, in fact I think they did too good of a job for their liking. People were talking about how it was a shit box, and this and that, because it was still in stock. Dumb, but you can understand where the shit talk came from. GW probably didn't care much for that.

Artificial scarcity, one of the greatest tools in the GW toolbox.

 

[FritzedProcess]

This shit gets worse every year, I swear.

They did a great job with the Leviathan box, in fact I think they did too good of a job for their liking.

Yes, considering that I was able to get one months after release. Hell of a box, too, the force makeups may not be optimal but that's par for the course with GW to get you hooked.

 

[Shig]

And with the Primarch returned and his Chapter resurgent, Asmodai is ready to put his sinister skills to the test

Asmodai seething that he ain't allowed to torture (as many) Fallen anymore.

 

[NecroLord]

And with the Primarch returned and his Chapter resurgent, Asmodai is ready to put his sinister skills to the test

Asmodai seething that he ain't allowed to torture (as many) Fallen anymore.

REPENT, MOTHERFUCKER!

 

[Fedora Master]

Genefather was disappointing. Very low energy from Bile.

 

[Mangoose]

Considering the Legions each had Things going other than brutal murderfucking I like to imagine the Emperor did not intend to get rid of them. Much like the samurai turned into bureaucrats and artists when there was no war.

Not to mention putting a few thousand on a mountain is far easier than clandestinely murdering 6 million or however many Astartes there were at the time.

That would've worked, but not with all of the Legions.

To be fair, the Night Lords etc weren't supposed to become murderfuckers.

Konrad wasn't supposed to be a loony murderfucker who flayed nostramans alive for jaywalking.
Though to be fair to him, Nostramo was one of the worst planets out there, with an incredibly depraved and evil population. His legion simply adopted his outlook and methods.

IMO the main problem with Konrad (or at least how he's depicted now) is mental illness that's either of the literal kind, and/or that he like Sanguinius prophecized the most horrible of things. Okay and Curze would have a seizure during those episodes.

In fact there are pretty big hints that Curze had a form of DID. Curze's belief is that as Night Haunter on Nostramo, Night Haunter was doing everything for a greater and specific purpose. But when he was Curze the Primarch on the Crusade, Curze wasn't using terror with a purpose of maintaining lawfulness. Instead Curze was to sweep out the opposition for someone else to set up society. Or at least that's how Curze/Night-Haunter thought of it, and thus there were multiple interpretations from his marines. Whom he hated, because Curze knew none of them interpreted him correctly.

 

[Mangoose]

And with the Primarch returned and his Chapter resurgent, Asmodai is ready to put his sinister skills to the test

Asmodai seething that he ain't allowed to torture (as many) Fallen anymore.

REPENT, MOTHERFUCKER!

BOOK!

 

[La vie sexuelle]

https://www.warhammer-community.com...bridged-history-of-awesome-warhammer-artwork/

Nice article about artistic evolution of Warhammers.

 

[Shig]

The AdMech CE Codex sold out in ~20min. I feel so bad for AdMech players. They constantly get shafted in the rules (like slowly morphing into a horde army), they are barely a presence in the Black Library's catalogue despite being extremely relevant in the most recent important lore, they got one new (goofy ass) model for 10th, and the cherry on top: they are the most expensive army to collect.
I don't know which AdMech player pissed off the powers that be over there at the GW monolith, but they don't seem to be letting go of that fucking grudge.

 

[Louis_Cypher]

I like the Cult of the Machine, for lore. It's an interesting conceptual faction, and arguably one of the more hopefull pro-active factions. They are like Ixians from Dune, believers in trans-human cybernetics, and also resemble medieval scholastic Christianity. The idea that the Imperium is realy two Empires, entwined, in an ancient union, each with a separate religion, that is brushed over by a compromise on the dogma of the Omnissiah; the Emperor being the central divinity to both faiths. However, the second "Imperium within an Imperium" should be second fiddle, to the actual Imperium. We can't expect equal support with the famous primary factions. It's a specialist thing, like Assassinorum or Inquisition or Arbites, and suprising they exist in miniatures at all.

I personally never cared for the quantity of sub-Imperium factions, Imperial Guard and Space Marines were enough, plus Sisters too. Now the Imperium have Knights, Custodes, Inquisition, Adeptus Mechanicus, all capable of fielding a complete functional army. Probably something else I'm forgetting too. It's great that the option is there, but rather than Imperium faction #74, I would like more support for Xenos. Orks have had their crazy roster somewhat reduced I feel, since the 2nd Edition, with weird Mechboy battlewagons featuring huge Orky energy weapons, etc. It was far more interesting to have a faction like Squats come back, though they were somewhat botched in terms of interesting lore.