The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

[deuxhero]

Is Sony really going to release a PS5 before the PS4 gets a third game worth getting?
My Bloodborne/Gravity Rush 2 machine has been collecting dust for a while now...

There's a decent number of PS4+Vita releases that are effectively PS4 only because the framerate on Vita is shit. Gundam Breaker 3 is a good example. There's actually a physical English release of the all DLC included version for SEA (Translation is acceptable. Could have used a native editor, but perfectly understandable most of the time).

 

[DalekFlay]

Needing some computing device doesn't necessitate having a console. There's no data saying console gamers buy a computer at the same time as they buy a console, every time they buy a new console.

What does buying them at the same time or not have to do with anything? It's about overall cost. Same for that $50 a year Xbox subscription or whatever it costs.

 

[sullynathan]

What does buying them at the same time or not have to do with anything? It's about overall cost. Same for that $50 a year Xbox subscription or whatever it costs.

Because you're adding the price of separate device to the price of owning a console which is dumb. This is like claiming a Console costs thousands of dollars because your average consumer also buys a cellphone. It's dumb.

 

[DalekFlay]

Because you're adding the price of separate device to the price of owning a console which is dumb. This is like claiming a Console costs thousands of dollars because your average consumer also buys a cellphone. It's dumb.

A cell phone doesn't do the computer tasks we're saying you'd have to buy a device to do if you don't own a gaming PC. You're consistently not getting the point of the argument so this is likely a huge waste of time on both our parts.

 

[YldriE]

Because you're adding the price of separate device to the price of owning a console which is dumb. This is like claiming a Console costs thousands of dollars because your average consumer also buys a cellphone.

But a cellphone and a console don't have overlapping purposes, a gaming PC and a home console do.

The point is simply that if a user has to pick between a console and a gaming PC, he will still want a computer for non-gaming purposes if he picks the console. I'm not discarding your argument that the two purchases don't need to be simultaneous, but when the point is to combine devices to save money, if you decide to play on PC and not get a console, you can combine the hypothetical price of both machines to get a better PC.

It's even worse if you insist that the user already has a PC he doesn't want or need to part with, because CPU performance has sort of plateau-ed in the last years, the average semi-decent "productivity" CPU is pretty strong and the bottleneck is typically the GPU. Upgrading it with a GTX 1060 is less expensive than a console and will output similar graphics at a better framerate.

 

[sullynathan]

But a cellphone and a console don't have overlapping purposes, a gaming PC and a home console do.

This isn't even true if you've been paying attention to the statistics i linked and to gaming for the past decade.

Newsflash! A phone is considered a "gaming machine". Mobile gaming makes more money than pc & console.

The point is simply that if a user has to pick between a console and a gaming PC, he will still want a computer for non-gaming purposes if he picks the console. I'm not discarding your argument that the two purchases don't need to be simultaneous, but when the point is to combine devices to save money, if you decide to play on PC and not get a console, you can combine the hypothetical price of both machines to get a better PC.

It's even worse if you insist that the user already has a PC he doesn't want or need to part with, because CPU performance has sort of plateau-ed in the last years, the average semi-decent "productivity" CPU is pretty strong and the bottleneck is typically the GPU. Upgrading it with a GTX 1060 is less expensive than a console and will output similar graphics at a better framerate.

Your second paragraph isn't based on what people actually do, it's based on what you would do with your money which is irrelevant to my argument or the average console and pc consumer

 

[YldriE]

A phone is considered a "gaming machine". Mobile gaming makes more money than pc & console.

HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHAHA!

Faggot.

It will take a decade or two before people play on their phones the same games they play on their gaming PC.

For fuck's sake.

 

[sullynathan]

A phone is considered a "gaming machine". Mobile gaming makes more money than pc & console.

HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHAHA!

Faggot.

It will take a decade or two before people play on their phones the same games they play on their gaming PC.

For fuck's sake.

Your opinion about the quality (or lack of) of mobile games doesn't stop them from being considered a gaming platform.

Fortnite is on there and so are a lot of isometric rpgs

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Exactly. The actual problem is no more PC vs. Console. Now the quality of games is kept down due to the obligatory port to mobile platforms (smart phones and handhelds).
We are living in the (PC & Console) vs. Mobile era. PC and console gaming are basically equivalent when compared to mobiles.

 

[Makabb]

PC and console gaming are basically equivalent when compared to mobiles

and there's nintendo

 

[DalekFlay]

None of this really has anything to do with the points being made. If you want to play games not on mobile, which is the vast majority of games people on here play, then you need a PC or console. If you buy a console, you probably need some kind of PC type device on top of it. That's the point.

 

[sullynathan]

None of this really has anything to do with the points being made. If you want to play games not on mobile, which is the vast majority of games people on here play, then you need a PC or console. If you buy a console, you probably need some kind of PC type device on top of it. That's the point.

No it isn't. The point was never about what codexers want/do, but what people who own consoles do. Remember, the original example used was what some random guy at some random European store was buying.

 

[abija]

How many people you know that buy current generation consoles and don't have at least a laptop?
And how do you explain that in lower income countries PC absolutely destroys consoles gaming wise?

 

[sullynathan]

How many people you know that buy current generation consoles and don't have at least a laptop?
And how do you explain that in lower income countries PC absolutely destroys consoles gaming wise?

More like how many people do you know buy a laptop because they're buying a console and why should the price of the former always be factored in for the latter.

That is the initial argument I responded to.

 

[DalekFlay]

More like how many people do you know buy a laptop because they're buying a console and why should the price of the former always be factored in for the latter.

You're so close to getting it.

 

[Morgoth]

https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-pro-reveal/

PlayStation 5 Pro To Release Together With Base Model – Rumor
By Francesco De Meo
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The current console generation is the first one that saw the release of high-end models of base consoles from Sony and Microsoft, and it seems like it will be the same for the next generation of consoles. While Sony has yet to say anything about the matter, it seems like a PlayStation 5 Pro model will indeed be released and, better yet, it will be released alongside the base model.

According to Japanese journalist Zenji Nishikawa, Sony is launching two different PlayStation 5 models next year, the base and the Pro model. According to the journalist, Sony has acknowledged the interest in a high-end model and wants to give players what they want right from the beginning of the generation.


Being a rumor, we have to take everything with a grain of salt until an official confirmation comes in, but there may be more than just some merit in what Zenji Nishikawa revealed, as he has proven to be extremely reliable, having talked about the Nintendo Switch Lite before the official announcement.

Last month, we had the chance to learn more about the PlayStation 5 design thanks to a leak which showed the dev kit’s design. The console has yet to be revealed in full, but some small details have been revealed earlier this year, confirming that the CPU will be based on the third generation of AMD’s Ryzen Line and the GPU will support ray tracing.

The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments.

The PlayStation 5 console has yet to be fully unveiled. We will keep you updated on the console as soon as possible, so stay tuned for all the latest news.

That would make economical sense. Pro version with RTRT-hardware capability and 100-200 bucks more expensive, Standard model w/o ray tracing.

 

[Makabb]

Interesting, the polygons will be scaled to lowest model anyway....... but the more powerfull one I guess would be to hold 4k 60 fps

 

[DalekFlay]

I guess would be to hold 4k 60 fps

With ray tracing? In your dreams.

 

[Zep Zepo]

PS5 X-TREME PRO, 2 years later.

8K @ 30FPS

Zep--

 

[ultimanecat]

More likely they’ll also gate stuff like the rumored backwards compatibility all the way back to PS1 to the Pro model. One thing Sony and Microsoft have consistently wanted to avoid since the costly early 360/PS3 days is to lose money on console sales - it’s why the PS4 and XB1 were essentially low/mid-tier gaming PCs even at launch. I think they realize that they can charge arbitrarily high prices for Pro consoles and sell them on some vague performance improvements and a few hard features and some people will always bite, which would help if they’re selling high-end components in the base model at a small loss.

 

[Makabb]

I guess would be to hold 4k 60 fps

With ray tracing? In your dreams.

we are talking about late 2020 tech, a year from now, doable.

We don't even know official ps5 specs yet.

 

[YldriE]

More likely they’ll also gate stuff like the rumored backwards compatibility all the way back to PS1 to the Pro model.

The thing is, that's the one thing that might get me to buy a console again, especially if their in-house emulator / compatibility layer is halfway decent.

Between the Xbox, the Xbox 360, and in a much more limited fashion the Xbox One, there are so many splitscreen coop games that it might also all of a sudden shock the local coop market back to life and yank it from Nintendo, especially from the people who puke in their mouth when they ask around for local coop games and get garbo suggestions like some random indie pixelart cartoonish puzzle game. No you dumbfucks, I want Army of Two, not fucking Castle Crashers.

But who am I kidding. That will never happen.

 

[Tehdagah]

Sony needs full backwards compatibility and more free games (from all consoles) on the PS Plus. With Epic giving new games every week, the PS Plus is a terrible deal right now.

 

[DalekFlay]

we are talking about late 2020 tech, a year from now, doable.

We don't even know official ps5 specs yet.

A 2080ti can't even run Control with ray tracing at 1080p60fps locked, let alone 4k. There's no way the PS5 has a better GPU than the 2080ti in it.

 

[Makabb]

we are talking about late 2020 tech, a year from now, doable.

We don't even know official ps5 specs yet.

A 2080ti can't even run Control with ray tracing at 1080p60fps locked, let alone 4k. There's no way the PS5 has a better GPU than the 2080ti in it.

in 2020 amd will have new cards, ps5 pro might have it, imagine if a ps5 pro would have a 32gb vram gpu which amd is rumouring about