The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

[Makabb]

If this is design is true, I'm ready to believe the 2080.

A developer confirmed it is the devkit indeed, so the final one might not be far off.

 

[Morgoth]

Boy the final design will look thicc.

 

[Makabb]

Boy the final design will look thicc.

They need the airflow for the heat to go out, i have a 1080 and it produces a buttload of heat in seconds that it goes 100%, can't imagine how much heat a 2080 or above will produce.

 

[Makabb]

'The confirmation comes way of Matthew Stott, a developer who's been working in the games industry since 1992'

'its a dev kit we have some in the office
Sony patent shows PlayStation 5 devkit'

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/08/21/ps5-playstation-5-console-design-dev-kit/

 

[DalekFlay]

Literally every single console generation you guys buy into these "sky high specs for $400!" rumors and every time you end up disappointed.

 

[Makabb]

Literally every single console generation you guys buy into these "sky high specs for $400!" rumors and every time you end up disappointed.

nah, ps4 was underpowered at launch

 

[Makabb]

ps4 had a weak laptop cpu and weak gpu, the only thing it had going was 8gb ram, back in 2013 that was an ok number.

ps5 will have a desktop level cpu and a good gpu from the get go, if it will have 24gb ram that's more than your average PC of today.

 

[Metro]

It's more than your average PC because that extra 8GB is utterly useless.

 

[Modron]

It's more than your average PC because that extra 8GB is utterly useless.

They'll probably make the unnecessary ui/social crap take up a fair amount of ram like xbox one did last cycle.

 

[Makabb]

 

[Gerrard]

The current gen consoles already had cooling issues, they would throttle down when they get too hot, degrading game performance.

 

[Makabb]

The current gen consoles already had cooling issues, they would throttle down when they get too hot, degrading game performance.

what? I never had that with ps4 nor ps3.......maybe you are talking about xbawx

 

[fizzelopeguss]

I was playing Call of Duty 2 at way higher resolution and framerate on day one than the Xbox 360 was, and that was a launch title. Same with Oblivion. Sometimes consoles can do particular things better for a little while, and if the SSD and RAM setup of this is anything like they're teasing then that might be an area where they excel for a while, but it's nowhere near as simple as "lol conselz better." I know you're a troll, but you're on a PC forum with people who are (mostly) not idiots. That shit ain't gonna fly.

Dunno about that mate.

I distinctly remember trying COD2 360 and being floored at how good it looked (4xAA iirc)and how well it ran (attempted 60 in SP, barely dropped in MP?)

I had a monster GPU at the time which was the 7800gtx which cost me about £400. Infact it's one of the reasons I never buy retard grade GPU's ever again. It's just pissing money down the drain.

As for Oblivion, 360 had HDR + AA support which caused massive fanboy arguments back in the day. (nividia GPU's at release didn't support it at all)

Quake 4 wasn't the best port on 360 however.

 

[DalekFlay]

I was playing Call of Duty 2 at way higher resolution and framerate on day one than the Xbox 360 was, and that was a launch title. Same with Oblivion. Sometimes consoles can do particular things better for a little while, and if the SSD and RAM setup of this is anything like they're teasing then that might be an area where they excel for a while, but it's nowhere near as simple as "lol conselz better." I know you're a troll, but you're on a PC forum with people who are (mostly) not idiots. That shit ain't gonna fly.

Dunno about that mate.

I distinctly remember trying COD2 360 and being floored at how good it looked (4xAA iirc)and how well it ran (attempted 60 in SP, barely dropped in MP?)

I had a monster GPU at the time which was the 7800gtx which cost me about £400. Infact it's one of the reasons I never buy retard grade GPU's ever again. It's just pissing money down the drain.

As for Oblivion, 360 had HDR + AA support which caused massive fanboy arguments back in the day. (nividia GPU's at release didn't support it at all)

Quake 4 wasn't the best port on 360 however.

You're probably right about CoD2 running at 60, but the resolution would have been way lower and PC had AA too. Oblivion ran like ass at an unstable 30 with much lower draw distance, fake HDR only means so much. Consoles have a lot of advantages but better graphics and framerate aren't among them the vast majority of the time. Not many would dispute that.

All I'm saying is Xbox One X running games at a native 4k at 30fps on medium settings isn't some amazing thing. It's great for console gamers, and I'm sure the PS5 will be too, but the troll posts about PCs being left in the dust are silly.

 

[unfairlight]

You're probably right about CoD2 running at 60, but the resolution would have been way lower and PC had AA too.

Way lower? 99% of 7th gen games ran 720p native which was very well neck to neck with PCs early in the generation. Not many had the money for a rig that would do beyond 720 at the time.

All I'm saying is Xbox One X running games at a native 4k at 30fps on medium settings isn't some amazing thing.

No, it kinda is if you consider that a PC can't fucking do that unless it's twice as expensive. Console optimisations and being a loss leader gives them a fair edge.

 

[DalekFlay]

All I'm saying is Xbox One X running games at a native 4k at 30fps on medium settings isn't some amazing thing.

No, it kinda is if you consider that a PC can't fucking do that unless it's twice as expensive. Console optimisations and being a loss leader gives them a fair edge.

No shit, I said consoles have plenty of advantages. Just cluttering up the thread talking about PCs being left behind is silly. If you have the cash PCs will always win on graphics and framerate, it's an accepted truth. I'm not even a big graphics guy, I play on PC for other reasons, but I'm just trying to bat away the FUD here.

I'm sure the PS5 will be a great machine for a great price that will please its audience very well.

 

[unfairlight]

If you have the cash

That's a dumb fucking argument, because no one has unlimited cash. When people mean "PC being left in the dust" they mean that PCs will simply not be as good value as a console is, and that consoles may catch up to the advantages of PC. I'm not saying that will happen, but it very well might.

 

[DalekFlay]

That's a dumb fucking argument, because no one has unlimited cash. When people mean "PC being left in the dust" they mean that PCs will simply not be as good value as a console is, and that consoles may catch up to the advantages of PC. I'm not saying that will happen, but it very well might.

This started because they known troll was talking about how PC will be left behind by the amazing PlayStation 5. If you don't feel that way then there's no reason for us to be arguing over anything. I agree consoles offer better value if you don't care about framerate.

 

[unfairlight]

I agree consoles offer better value if you don't care about framerate.

Except consoles are rapidly catching up. 4K 60 being the standard for next gen is easily possible when 4K 30 is nearly standard now on Xbox One X.

 

[DeepOcean]

I agree consoles offer better value if you don't care about framerate.

Except consoles are rapidly catching up. 4K 60 being the standard for next gen is easily possible when 4K 30 is nearly standard now on Xbox One X.

I wouldn't be surprised if consoles catch the today generation of graphics cards, thanks to Nvidia that is releasing the same cards with different names since the Pascal generation, a RTX 2080 is as fast as a 1080ti and a 2080ti is only 30% better than that, all thanks to how expensive ray tracing early adoption was, if you keep the hardware stagnated for years, eventually even the consoles catch up. However, Nvidia bullshit Turing cards will be replaced by the next generation and that will happen sooner than later accordingly to rumors.

Nvidia will release Ampere, AMD will release the Navi 20 refresh and Intel will enter on the graphics card market, all that on 2020/2021, so the consoles will release already outdated as it is natural on the hardware market, a project with a long life span will get outdated. Without Nvidia securing their monopoly, they will actually be forced to release decent cards for a change as they will compete hard with Intel and AMD, we will have true competition on the graphics card market for real in years, 4k 60 fps wont be something a top of line PC will do for long but something a cost/benefit PC will do very soon.

So, in the end, the consoles will be cost benefit PCs at best (if confirmed the rumour they will have a RTX 2080 like APU, I'm skeptical) when they are released but will get quickly outdated as usual, unless the graphical jump for the next generation won't be as dramatic as people are expecting, to run today titles on 4k 60fps, only a few very light on resources titles can manage that on that level of hardware, the vast majority, run at 30 to 55 fps range. Of course, having shit textures on low fidelity to reach 4k like some console titles do and resolution upscaling is cheating.

You will need to sacrifice fidelity ALOT to reach 4K 60fps on that level of hardware with next generation games, a 2080ti is the minimum required to consistently achieve 4k 60fps and even that, people need to keep in mind that the hardware necessary to run today games on 4k 60 fps isn't the same hardware necessary to run 4k 60 fps on the next generation, a PS 5 even with a 2080ti, if the graphical jump is big on the next generation, it won't be able to run next generation 4k 60 fps native.

So, the promise for 4k 60fps, or it is a white lie with only a few games reaching that or the jump on graphical fidelity on the next generation will disappoint many graphical whores to keep that 4k 60 fps goal. I doubt it, graphical fidelity will always sell more copies than 4k 60 fps.

The only thing I question is how Sony will keep a high clock Ryzen 3000 6 core and a RTX 2080 level APU on the same chip not melting on that poorly ventilated sealed box? Are they going to include a watercooler on the console too? Or the PS 5 will cost 1000 dollars (making that cost benefit argument quite questionable) or the custom stuff AMD made for the PS 5 will be alot more modest than people expect.

 

[Makabb]

If you have the cash

That's a dumb fucking argument, because no one has unlimited cash. When people mean "PC being left in the dust" they mean that PCs will simply not be as good value as a console is, and that consoles may catch up to the advantages of PC. I'm not saying that will happen, but it very well might.

Is this the only person in this thread with enough IQ to understand this ?

 

[Makabb]

I wouldn't be surprised if consoles catch the today generation of graphics cards, thanks to Nvidia that is releasing the same cards with different names since the Pascal generation,

It's not nvidia..... it's moores law

 

[Makabb]

a PS 5 even with a 2080ti, if the graphical jump is big on the next generation, it won't be able to run next generation 4k 60 fps native.

It will, im running todays games in 4k at 40-60 fps on a 1080, so a console version of a 2080 (console optimizations) will do 4k with more polygons no problem.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Design leaked

Sony is truly taking on Microsoft now with their very on VBox, makes me hope the Scorpio looks like that original "X" design Xbox.

This will also need wood paneling.

 

[DalekFlay]

Except consoles are rapidly catching up. 4K 60 being the standard for next gen is easily possible when 4K 30 is nearly standard now on Xbox One X.

I don't think that will ever happen because console gamers have shown they're fine with 30fps and prettier graphics sell games. I feel like the last two generations people said the same thing, "this time 60fps will be standard!" Yet it never actually happens. I hope it happens though, I think it would be great for console gamers and once it became the norm there would be no going back. With PC gamers aiming for 144fps it's crazy most console games still release at 30 and even struggle to maintain that sometimes. Customers deserve better. Like I said though... I'm pessimistic about it. We'll see.

It really doesn't effect me much either way.