Of female characters in RPG's

[0sacred]

If it's some D&D kitchen-sink slop though I don't care, if a gnome can be an 18 strength fighter then a woman should be able to be an 18 strength fighter too.

"In our setting, women are equal to men because it's all made-up bullshit"

 

[perfectslumbers]

"In our setting, women are equal to men because it's all made-up bullshit"

If a setting isn't willing to tackle its own logic then it makes sense for it to not tackle its own logic in that area as well. A gnome would make a far worse fighter than a human woman but I don't see anyone screeching about gnome fighters.

 

[jaekl]

Gnomes can be fighters, but all the good weapons and armor are too big for them so they're stuck wearing pots and pans tied together with rope and wielding a small maiden's dagger

 

[Nortar]

Gnomes can be fighters, but all the good weapons and armor are too big for them so they're stuck wearing pots and pans tied together with rope and wielding a small maiden's dagger

Determination, resolve and sheer fucking will is what makes up fighter spirit, not the biceps circumference.
Gnomes aren't built to be physically imposing, but I see no reason why a male gnome could not be a competent combatant working around his limitations and using his advantages.

What's worse the trend is now to homogenize all the races into the same spherical identical shit in vacuum, so there's literraly no differnce between an inventive gnome and a limpwristed elf.

Back to the topic. Chainmail-bikini clad "warriror"-ladies are pleasing to the eye, so all the mah-immersun-fags and realism-wankers can go fuck themselves.

 

[jaekl]

Gnomes can be fighters, but all the good weapons and armor are too big for them so they're stuck wearing pots and pans tied together with rope and wielding a small maiden's dagger

Determination, resolve and sheer fucking will is what makes up fighter spirit, not the biceps circumference.
Gnomes aren't built to be physically imposing, but I see no reason why a male gnome could not be a competent combatant working around his limitations and using his advantages.

What's worse the trend is now to homogenize all the races into the same spherical identical shit in vacuum, so there's literraly no differnce between an inventive gnome and a limpwristed elf.

Back to the topic. Chainmail-bikini clad "warriror"-ladies are pleasing to the eye, so all the mah-immersun-fags and realism-wankers can go fuck themselves.

That gay pride raisin is hoping that his killer has his foot pierced and dies of an infection weeks after being easily defeated and stomped on by his foes.

 

[JamesDixon]

Gnomes can be fighters, but all the good weapons and armor are too big for them so they're stuck wearing pots and pans tied together with rope and wielding a small maiden's dagger

Determination, resolve and sheer fucking will is what makes up fighter spirit, not the biceps circumference.
Gnomes aren't built to be physically imposing, but I see no reason why a male gnome could not be a competent combatant working around his limitations and using his advantages.

What's worse the trend is now to homogenize all the races into the same spherical identical shit in vacuum, so there's literraly no differnce between an inventive gnome and a limpwristed elf.

Back to the topic. Chainmail-bikini clad "warriror"-ladies are pleasing to the eye, so all the mah-immersun-fags and realism-wankers can go fuck themselves.

In AD&D 2E, gnomes and halflings get size bonuses to being attacked. Meaning that they're harder to hit so anyone attacking them suffers a -1 to their roll IIRC. They just can't get exceptional strength.

 

[0sacred]

Gnomes can be fighters, but all the good weapons and armor are too big for them so they're stuck wearing pots and pans tied together with rope and wielding a small maiden's dagger

Determination, resolve and sheer fucking will is what makes up fighter spirit, not the biceps circumference.
Gnomes aren't built to be physically imposing, but I see no reason why a male gnome could not be a competent combatant working around his limitations and using his advantages.

a gnome can be a fighter alright, in fact it would be awkward if a somewhat normal (not trannified) race in a standard fantasy setting didn't have fighters among them. It's just that they probably shouldn't be on par with a half-orc or dwarf fighter.

 

[gurugeorge]

Gnomes can be fighters, but all the good weapons and armor are too big for them so they're stuck wearing pots and pans tied together with rope and wielding a small maiden's dagger

Determination, resolve and sheer fucking will is what makes up fighter spirit, not the biceps circumference.
Gnomes aren't built to be physically imposing, but I see no reason why a male gnome could not be a competent combatant working around his limitations and using his advantages.

a gnome can be a fighter alright, in fact it would be awkward if a somewhat normal (not trannified) race in a standard fantasy setting didn't have fighters among them. It's just that they probably shouldn't be on par with a half-orc or dwarf fighter.

I think if you compensate for the gnome's physical weakness with the other tropes like specialist magic user or tech user, then it can be okay.

 

[skaraher]

Kobolds compensate for physical weakness by setting up traps and engaging only when they have numerical superiority, the idea of a knight-style gnome-halfling always was ridiculous.

Also Regill isnt as good as most fans pretends. His quests don't really makes much sense, and Owlcat clearly designed him visually as a joke. There was a demand from a sizable part of the community for a straight non-nonsense lawful fighting guy and that's what we got.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Women should definitely have negative modifiers to strength attributes. Women would instead get a bonus to DEX and/or CHA. Diminutive races, such as Halflings and Gnomes should also have a penalty. Dwarves are exempt because they are stout and have leverage in the same way a chimpanzee is stronger than a typical human. In a D&D context, for explanation purposes, women would get -2 STR and gnomes, halflings, and possibly elves would get -2 STR. These penalties would stack. So a female halfling would need to spend 10pts to have 12 STR but those same 10pts would give them 18 DEX. That seems about right to me.

 

[JarlFrank]

Kill or knockout, the idea of a female guard in a vaguely Victorian setting is preposterous.

Maybe, but I thought Thief 2 handled it alright. I like how they were written. In Dishonored 2, all the female guards are captains and have a bunch of "girlboss" moments. In Thief 2, the female guards are just retarded mooks like the male guards; they're still allowed to act scared and have silly moments. Maybe a male guard will marry a female guard and they'll have retard babies.

In Thief 2, the female guards were hired only after Sheriff Truart's city guard reforms, which also hired ex-criminals and other shady people.
The purpose of his city guard was to project an image of competence and progress, while actually being corrupt to the core.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Bah! Slap on some gauntlets of ogre power and a girdle of storm giant strength on that poor little gnome. Give him duel wield throwing hammers of return. Eh, actually, I don’t know if any of that survived into 5e. Probably no spiritual hammer cheese like EOB series/Dungeon hack.

 

[Reinhardt]

Women should definitely have negative modifiers to strength attributes. Women would instead get a bonus to DEX and/or CHA. Diminutive races, such as Halflings and Gnomes should also have a penalty. Dwarves are exempt because they are stout and have leverage in the same way a chimpanzee is stronger than a typical human. In a D&D context, for explanation purposes, women would get -2 STR and gnomes, halflings, and possibly elves would get -2 STR. These penalties would stack. So a female halfling would need to spend 10pts to have 12 STR but those same 10pts would give them 18 DEX. That seems about right to me.

but if female finds belt of masculinity how her max str calculated?

 

[ropetight]

Women should definitely have negative modifiers to strength attributes. Women would instead get a bonus to DEX and/or CHA. Diminutive races, such as Halflings and Gnomes should also have a penalty. Dwarves are exempt because they are stout and have leverage in the same way a chimpanzee is stronger than a typical human. In a D&D context, for explanation purposes, women would get -2 STR and gnomes, halflings, and possibly elves would get -2 STR. These penalties would stack. So a female halfling would need to spend 10pts to have 12 STR but those same 10pts would give them 18 DEX. That seems about right to me.

but if female finds belt of masculinity how her max str calculated?

The same, but she would became lesbian.

 

[JamesDixon]

Women should definitely have negative modifiers to strength attributes. Women would instead get a bonus to DEX and/or CHA. Diminutive races, such as Halflings and Gnomes should also have a penalty. Dwarves are exempt because they are stout and have leverage in the same way a chimpanzee is stronger than a typical human. In a D&D context, for explanation purposes, women would get -2 STR and gnomes, halflings, and possibly elves would get -2 STR. These penalties would stack. So a female halfling would need to spend 10pts to have 12 STR but those same 10pts would give them 18 DEX. That seems about right to me.

but if female finds belt of masculinity how her max str calculated?

In Damsels, Adventurers, and Dragons the girdle would change her into a he and he'll get the same strength range as other men. However, if she wishes to change her sex then the girdle does nothing and she remains a woman. It is a cursed item after all.

 

[Reinhardt]

Women should definitely have negative modifiers to strength attributes. Women would instead get a bonus to DEX and/or CHA. Diminutive races, such as Halflings and Gnomes should also have a penalty. Dwarves are exempt because they are stout and have leverage in the same way a chimpanzee is stronger than a typical human. In a D&D context, for explanation purposes, women would get -2 STR and gnomes, halflings, and possibly elves would get -2 STR. These penalties would stack. So a female halfling would need to spend 10pts to have 12 STR but those same 10pts would give them 18 DEX. That seems about right to me.

but if female finds belt of masculinity how her max str calculated?

In Damsels, Adventurers, and Dragons the girdle would change her into a he and he'll get the same strength range as other men. However, if she wishes to change her sex then the girdle does nothing and she remains a woman. It is a cursed item after all.

will she get +2 str to compensate too?

 

[ropetight]

Women should definitely have negative modifiers to strength attributes. Women would instead get a bonus to DEX and/or CHA. Diminutive races, such as Halflings and Gnomes should also have a penalty. Dwarves are exempt because they are stout and have leverage in the same way a chimpanzee is stronger than a typical human. In a D&D context, for explanation purposes, women would get -2 STR and gnomes, halflings, and possibly elves would get -2 STR. These penalties would stack. So a female halfling would need to spend 10pts to have 12 STR but those same 10pts would give them 18 DEX. That seems about right to me.

but if female finds belt of masculinity how her max str calculated?

In Damsels, Adventurers, and Dragons the girdle would change her into a he and he'll get the same strength range as other men. However, if she wishes to change her sex then the girdle does nothing and she remains a woman. It is a cursed item after all.

will she get +2 str to compensate too?

No, because of the years of the lower testosterone levels.

 

[JamesDixon]

will she get +2 str to compensate too?

No, because of the years of the lower testosterone levels.

ropetight is correct. What it does do is allow the character to use a Wish or similar spell or item to increase that character's strength.

In DAD, you don't get to increase your stats as you level up like DANDINO. I remained faithful to AD&D 2E in that regard.

 

[Reinhardt]

will she get +2 str to compensate too?

No, because of the years of the lower testosterone levels.

ropetight is correct. What it does do is allow the character to use a Wish or similar spell or item to increase that character's strength.

In DAD, you don't get to increase your stats as you level up like DANDINO. I remained faithful to AD&D 2E in that regard.

but will she lose cha and dex for being tranny?

 

[JamesDixon]

will she get +2 str to compensate too?

No, because of the years of the lower testosterone levels.

ropetight is correct. What it does do is allow the character to use a Wish or similar spell or item to increase that character's strength.

In DAD, you don't get to increase your stats as you level up like DANDINO. I remained faithful to AD&D 2E in that regard.

but will she lose cha and dex for being tranny?

No, because her chromosomes have changed her from XX to XY. He is a man now.

 

[Reinhardt]

will she get +2 str to compensate too?

No, because of the years of the lower testosterone levels.

ropetight is correct. What it does do is allow the character to use a Wish or similar spell or item to increase that character's strength.

In DAD, you don't get to increase your stats as you level up like DANDINO. I remained faithful to AD&D 2E in that regard.

but will she lose cha and dex for being tranny?

No, because her chromosomes have changed her from XX to XY. He is a man now.

pretty and fast man

 

[JamesDixon]

pretty and fast man

It's a cursed item. It only doesn't work when the player wishes the character to change sex.

 

[NecroLord]

Kill or knockout, the idea of a female guard in a vaguely Victorian setting is preposterous.

Maybe, but I thought Thief 2 handled it alright. I like how they were written. In Dishonored 2, all the female guards are captains and have a bunch of "girlboss" moments. In Thief 2, the female guards are just retarded mooks like the male guards; they're still allowed to act scared and have silly moments. Maybe a male guard will marry a female guard and they'll have retard babies.

In Thief 2, the female guards were hired only after Sheriff Truart's city guard reforms, which also hired ex-criminals and other shady people.
The purpose of his city guard was to project an image of competence and progress, while actually being corrupt to the core.

Lt. Mosley was a pretty good officer that actually cared about cleaning corruption in the City. Also, I think she knew all about Truart and all his shady shit...
Also a Pagan sympathizer and ally.

 

[gurugeorge]

I was just thinking there of a field where men and women are more equalized, and that would be in music. There, where innately nimble fingers are at a premium, women do very well compared to men - there are tons of great lady pianists, for example.

I think that's the rationale behind the specialization in DEX for female fighters, and it does make some sense, but the trouble is that DEX is usually carried over to things like speed and reaction speed, where it's not necessarily so appropriate. Bracketing speed of neural reflexes (which as the above re. music) is probably more equal, in terms of shifting mass quickly (arm, body, etc.), you get greater speed the more muscle mass you have, so speed and strength are really closely tied together.

Also, bows require STR more than anything else, DEX is really not that involved, so that trope is out the window. Light crossbows, yes, that would require DEX to some extent (to change the bolt and rewind without fumbling in the heat of battle, provided the winding mechanism has good leverage).

Daggers, again, maybe there you could just about have the idea of a nimble, mobile female fighter, if you're talking about the upper outlier end of female strength, as with those rock-climbing chicks.

Guns, again, there it's probably more equal (cf. the famous couplet about guns equalizing things for women).

(But some of these problems are to do with the constrained and sometimes lumpy simulation/abstraction of D&D.)

 

[NecroLord]

I was just thinking there of a field where men and women are more equalized, and that would be in music. There, where innately nimble fingers are at a premium, women do very well compared to men - there are tons of great lady pianists, for example.

I think that's the rationale behind the specialization in DEX for female fighters, and it does make some sense, but the trouble is that DEX is usually carried over to things like speed and reaction speed, where it's not necessarily so appropriate. Bracketing speed of neural reflexes (which as the above re. music) is probably more equal, in terms of shifting mass quickly (arm, body, etc.), you get greater speed the more muscle mass you have, so speed and strength are really closely tied together.

Also, bows require STR more than anything else, DEX is really not that involved, so that trope is out the window. Light crossbows, yes, that would require DEX to some extent (to change the bolt and rewind without fumbling in the heat of battle, provided the changing mechanism has good leverage).

Daggers, again, maybe there you could just about have the idea of a nimble, mobile female fighter, if you're talking about the upper outlier end of female strength, as with those rock-climbing chicks.

Guns, again, there it's probably more equal (cf. the famous couplet about guns equalizing things for women).

(But some of these problems are to do with the constrained and sometimes lumpy simulation/abstraction of D&D.)

Their nimble fingers are not only for pianos and instruments...