Of female characters in RPG's

[Nano]

Otherwise it would have been kind of awkward with the rest of party in the same room.

Why shouldn't they join in?

 

[octavius]

Otherwise it would have been kind of awkward with the rest of party in the same room.

Why shouldn't they join in?

Yuo mean the guys who kicked him out for being too evil?

 

[Nano]

Yuo mean the guys who kicked him out for being too evil?

Maybe they kicked him out because he didn't give them the chance to rape and torture the prisoner.

 

[NecroLord]

Playing Evil characters in D&D is just a tricky business.

 

[KainenMorden]

I mean, I have no pnp experience but wouldn't it be a matter of DM, campaign and other players aligning?

If you're an evil character who is let's say, lawful evil and a group of good adventurers compromise some of their ethics to ally with you in order to contribute to the greater good and allying with them benefits you and you gave your word you would serve the party in some capacity for some period of time, I see that as very plausible.

Also in my mind, lawful evil is being an opportunist, being evil but also having some type of code like for example, Tony Montana in Scarface 1983, was clearly evil but had a code where he would honor his agreements and also refused to kill women and children.

 

[NecroLord]

Yeah,Tony did seem to be a Lawful Evil character. However,his severe coke abuse and paranoia led to his downfall,he became more and more violent and unstable.
I suppose playing in an Evil party can be done,but only by experienced and mature players and DM.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Yeah,Tony did seem to be a Lawful Evil character. However,his severe coke abuse and paranoia led to his downfall,he became more and more violent and unstable.
I suppose playing in an Evil party can be done,but only by experienced and mature players and DM.

>Experienced and mature players
> In an age where people get their ideas of RPGs from murderhobo simulators and Critical Meme
I guess it can't be done then

 

[KainenMorden]

are you very experiened with pnp? just curious

I suppose towards the end maybe Tony became Chaotic Evil? I think virtually all of the criminals in that movie were lawful evil, including the dirty cop. Another aspect of lawful evil is being evil within the laws of the society you live in, at least to some extent because you still commit murder and steal, sell drugs etc.

Manolo, idk if he was really evil, I suppose he was because no matter what, being involved in the drug trade, you indirectly contribute to violence.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I don't recall Tony doing anything evil.

 

[BruceVC]

I don't recall Tony doing anything evil.

I agree, he was more criminally ambitious. And the drug trade is a very brutal and dangerous world so you need to be tough to survive

The worst thing he did was killing his best friend in a fit of unexpected anger?

 

[KainenMorden]

Interesting, I suppose killing a communist was an act of good. Also killing the Colombians and Frank and Sosa's guy was justified. What about when he killed Manny?

I made my point about being involved in the drug trade could be seen as an evil act because just producing and trafficking the drugs often results in death and I suppose environmental damage to some degree besides that it can ruin the lives of others/kill them but you have to do a lot of powder to die unless you have some health condition/do a speed ball/get some fentanyl in there but the latter was unheard of at the time.

Rusty, do you see Tony as good because he just provided a product which was in demand? A product which turns bad feelings into good feelings and then amplifies those good feelings?

 

[KainenMorden]

If like Tony you live by your own personal code but break society's laws, are you lawful or chaotic?

Let's skip over the nature of the drug business, if you kill only those that seek to harm you and only those that seek to harm others that you deem innocent, are you good? Damn, maybe I'm wrong about Tony's alignment the more I think about it.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Heroine's Quest, considering it's on the Codex's top 100 RPG list. I haven't yet played it myself, though.

 

[Dadd]

As far as I'm concerned, if you ever played jrpgs and "borrowed" stuff from townsfolk, you should be considered a potential burglar.

 

[Grunker]

Greetings.
How do you prefer female characters to be portrayed in RPG's? Do you like them as chainmail bikini barbarians? Rogue/Bard type characters like Leliana or Sharwyn? Spellcasters?
Or do you like them "-4 Str go back to the kitchen"?
Finally,should there even be women in RPG's?

Just do whatever Drakensang did.

Missed opportunity for you to just reply ‘lamenting’

 

[Desiderius]

If like Tony you live by your own personal code but break society's laws, are you lawful or chaotic?

Let's skip over the nature of the drug business, if you kill only those that seek to harm you and only those that seek to harm others that you deem innocent, are you good? Damn, maybe I'm wrong about Tony's alignment the more I think about it.

Neutral. Lawful requires submission.

 

[KainenMorden]

Is he evil because he made a living off of something that, while illegal and potentially harmful, was a product that was in demand that he didnt force on anyone?

Could he be seen as good even because he actually gave back to his family and community?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Is he evil because he made a living off of something that, while illegal and potentially harmful, was a product that was in demand that he didnt force on anyone?

Could he be seen as good even because he actually gave back to his family and community?

He's just a regular citizen who tended towards chaotic neutral instead of lawful neutral. I don't see a convincing argument for him being evil, breaking the law does not make you evil after all.

iirc the video game even gives you a game over if you kill a regular civilian or something

 

[rusty_shackleford]

There's possibly an argument in merely dealing drugs and them finding their way to innocents being an evil act, but I recall(my memory is definitely spotty) from the movie Tony getting asked about this and him not having an answer. One interpretation of this is that he didn't think of this side of it before, and intent is important in our non-D&D world where good & evil aren't some universal constant.

 

[KainenMorden]

Damn, I loved the video game as a teen when I still played those types of games, lived with my dad's brother and his family at the time and my cousin had a ps2. wow, good times, dont remember much but yeah, it was linear from what I remember and you couldnt just kill whoever like GTA

I was also going to talk about that. I dont think just because you dont view yourself or your actions as evil that you're not evil.

However with Tony, I keep thinking about it and I think the only evil thing he did was kill Manolo. I recently rewatched last spring.

 

[Desiderius]

good & evil aren't some universal constant

No, they are.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

good & evil aren't some universal constant

No, they are.

In a D&D universe, an evil entity performs an evil action because they are evil. Inherently evil is a concept that exists, they are evil because the universe has decided it to be so.
In our universe, a person becomes evil because they decided to perform an evil action.

 

[Cael]

good & evil aren't some universal constant

No, they are.

In a D&D universe, an evil entity performs an evil action because they are evil. Inherently evil is a concept that exists, they are evil because the universe has decided it to be so.
In our universe, a person becomes evil because they decided to perform an evil action.

Only in creatures that are inherently Evil. Prime Material World creatures get a choice just like our universe.

 

[Desiderius]

good & evil aren't some universal constant

No, they are.

In a D&D universe, an evil entity performs an evil action because they are evil. Inherently evil is a concept that exists, they are evil because the universe has decided it to be so.
In our universe, a person becomes evil because they decided to perform an evil action.

Yeah, that's what I said. There is not evil or good but what men do. But there are evil and good actions. That is the constant.

 

[NecroLord]

Drug dealing is quite immoral.
Of course,Tony never harmed innocent people,pretty much all guys he wasted were complete douchebags.
So yeah,he has a code("my balls and my word,and I don't break 'em for no one"),but his drug dealing and overall violent life do make him evil. If we want to talk about alignment,I would sort him in Lawful Evil camp(with small chaotic inclinations,not necessarily chaotic evil ones).