Of female characters in RPG's

[KainenMorden]

What is the purpose of this setting?

What does that add to a game?

I think the dark sun setting is a similar concept as far as it being a brutal world where the strong survive so yes female warriors are justifiable I just don't understand the purpose unless you want to larp as a woman/transsexual or you want to appeal to female players for some reason.

 

[KainenMorden]

Nazrim, what third world shit hole are you from?

 

[DJOGamer PT]

If you want to understand the disdain nobility had for peasants, try to leave your middle class bubble and mingle with the lower classes a bit. Work a week at an assembly line or move shit in a warehouse. Then you'll see just how shit, dumb, and petty people can be, and realize that the nobles of old were 100% right if this was what they had to deal with

You sound like those guys that refuse to have a beer at the end of a day's with his coworkers, because he doesn't want to mingle with the plebs
But then tries to blend in (and fail) with his girlfriend's, faggy urbanite friends group

 

[Nazrim Eldrak]

Nazrim, what third world shit hole are you from?

You interested in me?

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

Women could probably make decent snipers who don't need to carry much heavy gear. IIRC the russians had whole companies of them during WW2.

Those people are called designated marksmen now. They aren't considered snipers.

Military snipers have to lug around heavier equipment than the average grunt, and they don't get to sit around and rest. They have to immediately hump it after every time they shoot due to counter-sniper artillery fire/human wave tactics/other snipers. Part of the reason they work in two-man teams is so they can carry all the equipment. It is probably the most physically demanding role for troops on the ground in the modern military.

Check out the biographical movie Jarhead to see more details about IRL sniping.

 

[KainenMorden]

Seems like you're the one interested in me and you're probably a Moslem of some kind

 

[markec]

Are you discussing shits in Real-Life game, or are you discussing things in fantasy games?

Decide one. Because we dont particularly interest in Real-Life game.

True true, a real life bow need heaviest breast muscle to pull and women dont have those muscles.

But fantasies can have magic (either affect the shooter or the bow in question), or bow material (from magic creatures), or magic effect air itself etc and etc that render those muscles not very necessary. All of which doesnt exist in Real-Life.

High tech material is possible but the effect is not very good.

Its a "fantasy" thats why woman can wield 2 handed greatsword or do anything else as effectively as a man (like wearing full plate armor), but at the same time all women in the universe are physically ugly and they lack any femininity.

Funny how today both "fantasy" and "realistic" settings has a common theme of complete absence of attractive, feminine women.

Its like every game is set in England.

 

[Nazrim Eldrak]

Seems like you're the one interested in me and you're probably a Moslem of some kind

No not really, I just don't think your comments add any value to the thread.
I would have ignored your participation if it was at least funny.
If you want to talk about immigrants and religion related to politics then this is the wrong section because here is the General RPG Discussion section.

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

Claiming that longsword are dex weapon is just silly, and for one-handed sword it's even sillier.

Both longswords and arming swords are dexterity based weapons. A proper cut to the hands, neck or head will end the fight most of the time. I think you greatly overestimate the amount of strength that's needed to excel. Swords are not brute force weapons. Moroever, you say that swordfighting is not fencing, then you say RPG combat is rarely simulating pitched battle. So which is it then? Because it's one or the other. Blouse-fighting or Harness-fighting.

Every technique is covered in Fiore's treatises, including fighting against an armored opponent while lightly armored, fighting in armor, techniques against multiple assailants, techniques against single opponents, techniques against different weapons. This covers the gambit of what you'd encounter in an average streetfight, which is representative of typical party vs. party RPG combat.

Against someone not in full plate who's physically way stronger than you, trying to take him from afar seems like the less hazardous option.

I'm curious why you think that an underpowered arrow will down this strongman, but a thrust from a sword will not.

Trying to pelt someone until you hit some weak spot by chance is hardly realist or sensible battle plan.

The French disagreed in their chronicles, and full-plate is not the only type of heavy armor on the battlefield.

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

Yeah, no. Both women and men of the middle ages were not bulkier. Nutrition played a huge role at preventing bulk, meat wasn't as readily available.

Not only that, but today we know for a fact that poor nutrition during development years (childhood + adolescence) does cause both significant physical and mental impairment
And we do know for a fact (both from historical sources and examining of mortal remains), that most people from the medieval period did suffer from malnutrition
So, in general europeans back then were both in mind and body less healthy and capable than your average european of today or even from the industrial revolution

Honestly now that I think about it
I remember from 10 years ago, reading some early renaissance knight's martial arts manual
If I remember correctly, there was a passage where he asked his readers not teach his art to peasants, showing nothing but contempt and disgust at them
At the time I thought this was simply aristocratic snobbery
But taking in consideration the facts above, I think it lends a more clear picture of this situation
I mean, imagine you're a well off, educated knight - you're phisically fit, you're literate, you're a reasonably smart individual and possibly even handsome
In comparasion to you, the peasents that work your land are - feeble, slow-minded, short-sighted, iliterate, uncivilized and most likely have the beauty of a toad
In short, they might as well be from another species of human
So, of course it would be natural for a healthy knight to find such creatures repulsive

Don't know about the malnutrition bit. The diet was different, but it depended on area. Crop failure was more common though.

The treatise you're remembering is either Flos Duellatorum or Fior di Battaglia in regard to spear use against armored foes. Fiore didn't want a particular technique with the end of the spear being taught to peasants in fear of it being used to topple knights over. I wouldn't necessarily call it snobbery either, peasant revolts were bloody affairs, but I would say that the nobility believed in its duty to protect the status quo as well as the peasants, especially from themselves. An elitist position, but a sensible one.

Peasant illiteracy extended to Latin and Greek, not necessarily the regional vernaculars. Craftsmen would have to know how to write to carry out the functions of their businesses. Shad did a pretty good video on this topic.

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[Desiderius]

Our sexual dimorphism is the result over millions of years of evolution on earth. For my own fantasy setting where monsters and other intelligent humanoids like elves exist. Women had to be significantly stronger in order to survive. So female warriors can exist in such a setting in my opinion.

It's not just ours lol. It's the whole phylum.

Jesus, some people so anthropocentric.

Hicks.

The French disagreed in their chronicles, and full-plate is not the only type of heavy armor on the battlefield.

From what I've seen about how melee combat played out (especially w/ shields) CON might have been the most important stat.

 

[Rincewind]

I liked all female characters in ELEX, Witcher 1, Nehrim, and the Dungeon of Naheulbeuk.

Maybe the best female character I've ever encountered in any RPG was Theresa in the Kingdom Come Deliverance DLC titled a Woman's Lot.

I found the portrayal of the female protagonist in the first Azure Bonds novel very good too.

 

[octavius]

Women could probably make decent snipers who don't need to carry much heavy gear. IIRC the russians had whole companies of them during WW2.

Those people are called designated marksmen now. They aren't considered snipers.

Now that you mention it, I guess that's right. I remember my father was a marksman when he was in the Home Guard, and had a Mauser (or was it a Krag?) rifle instead of the usual AG-3.

I also remember when I was in the army that the toughest dudes were "hunters" (rangers?) or Jäger soldiers, despite carrying a lighter load than the usual grunts (but they had to be very mobile, of course). The one carrying the machine gun in an MG team had the heaviest load, and I don't remember we had any of those highly specialized snipers that you describe.

But I see on Wikipedia that nowadays we have

Jegertroppen (Hunter troop) – The Armed Forces Special Commands training wing has a unit consisting of female conscripts only, highly trained for urban ISTAR operations.

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

From what I've seen about how melee combat played out (especially w/ shields) CON might have been the most important stat.

Depends on the shield size, but a lot of people have trouble when jumping from just the sword to sword and shield. Your attention is split between two objects, along with whatever the opponent is doing, so people who start out often have a hard time getting out of the habit of focusing on one arm and forgetting what's in the other. I don't know which attribute this would translate to, but I suspect it would be a combo of dex and strength. Dexterity for properly coordinating in tandem with the weapon, and strength for the endurance required to hold it ready for prolonged periods. I can't remember the edition, but it was good that D&D made shield use its own proficiency.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Alias might look like a woman but it is a construct.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Alias

 

[NecroLord]

I liked all female characters in ELEX, Witcher 1, Nehrim, and the Dungeon of Naheulbeuk.

Maybe the best female character I've ever encountered in any RPG was Theresa in the the Kingdom Come Deliverance DLC titled a Woman's Lot.

I found the portrayal of the female protagonist in the first Azure Bonds novel very good too.

Theresa is alright.

 

[BruceVC]

I liked all female characters in ELEX, Witcher 1, Nehrim, and the Dungeon of Naheulbeuk.

Maybe the best female character I've ever encountered in any RPG was Theresa in the the Kingdom Come Deliverance DLC titled a Woman's Lot.

I found the portrayal of the female protagonist in the first Azure Bonds novel very good too.

What Isabella in DA2 and Viconia in BG, they interesting and hot?

 

[Cael]

The biggest issue with the entire "a woman can't do x" narrative that's citing a variety of statistics, is that it's not applicable to the actual game-world either.

But they have to be internally consistent. So if you want to have humans in your setting, then you should accurately portray the sexual dimorphism of our species with all the societal ramifications that it entails.

No you don't, because it being a fantasy world means that your perceived difference of women and men don't necessarily apply (within reason) in a made up world.

Yeah, the average harpy in the real world isn't gonna be able to pull a bowstring of a high-poundage bow. But the character you're talking about likely trained to do so for years, if not decades, so obviously they can. Some barbarian chick that grew up in a tribe where they eat bull testicles every tuesday and friday night probably has a higher T level than most of your body builders, and is certainly capable of more impressive physical feats than most codexers. It's not like you're playing some random barmaid in a tavern in a backwater shithole, you're playing a hero or a band of heroes who passed the power-level of your average NPC before they started growing pubic hair.

But-but-but- muh crippled, IQ69 wizard with the emotionally scarred background!!!!
- every leftard drama cunt ever.

Dramacunt: Well, my PC is not one of your munchkin Olympic athlete but an average Joe who became an adventurer by accident.
Me (DM): OK. All your stats are 10. Let's start playing.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Alias might look like a woman but it is a construct.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Alias

Weird Science appeared in theaters three years before The Curse of the Azure Bonds was published.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

There's logically no reason a gnome shouldn't be as strong as an ogre if you think that women being as strong as a man is fine because it's a fantasy game.

 

[BruceVC]

There's logically no reason a gnome shouldn't be as strong as an ogre if you think that women being as strong as a man is fine because it's a fantasy game.

But does a gnome know what a Blobber is? Thats the most important question which everyone avoids

 

[Cael]

Alias might look like a woman but it is a construct.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Alias

Alias was more a clone than a construct. Her sister clone got pregnant, after all.

 

[kangaxx]

Greetings.
How do you prefer female characters to be portrayed in RPG's? Do you like them as chainmail bikini barbarians? Rogue/Bard type characters like Leliana or Sharwyn? Spellcasters?
Or do you like them "-4 Str go back to the kitchen"?
Finally,should there even be women in RPG's?

I like them in digital form, e.g. Shodan. What a great character she is.

 

[Camel]

Women could probably make decent snipers who don't need to carry much heavy gear. IIRC the russians had whole companies of them during WW2.

Yeah, the Red army had female snipers(one of them became a Hero of the Soviet Union posthumously), all-female anti-aircraft gun crew members and female pilots of Po-2 biplanes. I'd say it was a desperation move of the Soviets because of a lack of manpower.

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[KainenMorden]

Your response about why knights didn't want peasants to learn to fight makes sense.

The sentiment expressed by others here, that the knights were so fit and handsome and intelligent that they considered ugly, stupid peasants subhuman is just autistic rambling.