Of female characters in RPG's

[KainenMorden]

Are you a moderator?

Then fuck off, ignore my posts if you don't like them.

 

[Sarathiour]

Every technique is covered in Fiore's treatises

They are whole section about grappling in it. Also apparently the section about fighting multiple opponent is misinterpretation, but I'm not an historian nor posses a degree in ancient italiani.
Pretty much all weapon require a degree of dexterity to be used, but if it was a prevalent as you claim, we would ironically saw way more female fighter or even gladiator throughout the history. Proper technique is of course important, but dexterity being the main factor is about as delusional that people claiming that skill always trump raw strength.

I'm curious why you think that an underpowered arrow will down this strongman, but a thrust from a sword will not.

Look, you let me shoot you with a 45 lbs bow, and after that I'm letting you write how much wrong I was. Deal ?

The French disagreed in their chronicles

Which battle are you refereeing to ?

 

[KainenMorden]

I made what? 2 comments about Muslims/politics and you got triggered?

If you're not Muslim, where are you from and what's your religion?

 

[Arbiter]

Someone ought to tell the guy who wrote that article that Amazons, Shieldmaidens and Japanese Mulan belong in the mythology section. The rest is target shooting.

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

Some contemporary historians believe that shields maidens did in fact exist.

 

[Arbiter]

Now imagine there's not just one of me, but thousands.

 

[KainenMorden]

What contemporary historians believe or say they believe now for political reasons doesn't make something like this historical.

Not saying that's the case with shield maidens but it's very possible this is modern revisionism. There's a huge push to try to make the past of Europe more inclusive to women and minorities by using some very creative interpretations that often have no factual basis.

 

[KainenMorden]

Also, Muslims are relevant to the topic. Maybe you can illuminate this wikipedia entry about a famous female muslim warrior

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawla_bint_al-Azwar

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

They are whole section about grappling in it.

And? There's also a whole section about mounted combat, about spear, about dagger, about unarmed etc. You're not expected to incorporate all of these techniques in each fight. The inability to make use of grappling doesn't render all the techniques that don't use grappling ineffective.

if it was a prevalent as you claim, we would ironically saw way more female fighter or even gladiator throughout the history.

No we wouldn't, because men have strength on top of dex, which is still beneficial even if not of ultimate importance.

Also apparently the section about fighting multiple opponent is misinterpretation, but I'm not an historian nor posses a degree in ancient italiani.

No.

"Here are three opponents who all want to kill this Master. The first aims to kill him with a thrust. The second intends a cut. The third will throw his sword at the master like a spear. If the Master can perform a mighty deed and avoid being killed, then God will have indeed blessed him with great skill."

Which battle are you refereeing to ?

Crecy, Poitiers, Agincourt.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

What contemporary historians believe or say they believe now for political reasons doesn't make something like this historical.

Not saying that's the case with shield maidens but it's very possible this is modern revisionism. There's a huge push to try to make the past of Europe more inclusive to women and minorities by using some very creative interpretations that often have no factual basis.

It's even worse than that. There is a historical basis, but they are taking exceptions and myths and turning it into a rule.
Take the Japanese Onna Bugeisha for example. There are accounts of them existing (in a defensive capacity, because while the men are away you need someone to defend the town) and there are rare instances of them being on the battlefield, but what these historians would leave out is the context or frequency, and lead you to believe that exactly 50% of all Japanese armies were composed of women.

Similar case with shield maidens; there is some evidence of shield maidens existing, therefore there must have been shield maidens everywhere. Instead of, you know, them being exceptionally gifted women when it came to fighting or simply charged with protecting the clan while the men were off raiding.

You see the liberal revisionists doing a lot of stuff like that; all it takes is for one passing account of a black person in say, I don't know, Medieval England or China, and they'll use it as "proof" that most of the population of China was in fact black or that most of the nobility in England was from Ghana.

 

[Camel]

Some contemporary revisionist historians believe that shields maidens did in fact exist.

FTFY.

 

[markec]

What contemporary historians believe or say they believe now for political reasons doesn't make something like this historical.

Not saying that's the case with shield maidens but it's very possible this is modern revisionism. There's a huge push to try to make the past of Europe more inclusive to women and minorities by using some very creative interpretations that often have no factual basis.

It's even worse than that. There is a historical basis, but they are taking exceptions and myths and turning it into a rule.
Take the Japanese Onna Bushi for example. There are accounts of them existing (in a defensive capacity, because while the men are away you need someone to defend the town) and there are rare instances of them being on the battlefield, but what these historians would leave out is the context or frequency, and leave you to believe that exactly 50% of all Japanese armies were composed of women.

Similar case with shield maidens; there is some evidence of shield maidens existing, therefore there must have been shield maidens everywhere. Instead of, you know, them being exceptionally gifted women when it came to fighting or simply charged with protecting the clan while the men were off raiding.

Not to mention that shield maidens could have been nothing more then a ceremonial unit and/or someone used to exclusively guard noblewomen. Which would be more logical then being a military unit going on campaigns.

 

[Dadd]

Since some players insist on roleplaying as women and plain downsides for female characters are undesirable to them, one way to work around this negative stat (eg less str, dex for female characters) issue would be to give male characters in melee fights with female characters a morale penalty since realistically it would be demoralizing for male warriors to fight female soldiers, onani bushi etc in real life.

 

[Alex]

Someone ought to tell the guy who wrote that article that Amazons, Shieldmaidens and Japanese Mulan belong in the mythology section. The rest is target shooting.

Yes the article mentions mythology but it also says real examples like female samurais who were trained in archery and the Viking tomb of a female warrior who was buried with arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior

Some contemporary historians believe that shields maidens did in fact exist.

Well, an even more ridiculous thing to believe in would be the "modern historians" themselves...

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Since some players insist on roleplaying as women and plain downsides for female characters are undesirable to them, one way to work around this negative stat (eg less str, dex for female characters) issue would be to give male characters in melee fights with female characters a morale penalty since realistically it would be demoralizing for male warriors to fight female soldiers, onani bushi etc in real life.

Given the history of warfare, I have a sad suspicion that the morale penalty would actually work in the inverse.
If you are defending your land in the medieval period, you would not want your women to fall in enemy hands.

 

[Arbiter]

Some contemporary revisionist historians believe that shields maidens did in fact exist.

FTFY.

Female Soviet snipers did exist, so why not shield maidens in less civilized times?

 

[Dadd]

Since some players insist on roleplaying as women and plain downsides for female characters are undesirable to them, one way to work around this negative stat (eg less str, dex for female characters) issue would be to give male characters in melee fights with female characters a morale penalty since realistically it would be demoralizing for male warriors to fight female soldiers, onani bushi etc in real life.

Given the history of warfare, I have a sad suspicion that the morale penalty would actually work in the inverse.
If you are defending your land in the medieval period, you would not want your women to fall in enemy hands.

I was assuming an isolated event where male soldiers were fighting female soldiers but yes it would be demoralizing if you were a male caster being protected by a female warrior.

 

[Camel]

Since some players insist on roleplaying as women and plain downsides for female characters are undesirable to them, one way to work around this negative stat (eg less str, dex for female characters) issue would be to give male characters in melee fights with female characters a morale penalty since realistically it would be demoralizing for male warriors to fight female soldiers, onani bushi etc in real life.

How did "morale penalty demoralize" him vs female swimmers?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

it would be demoralizing if you were a male caster

This is true irrespective of specific circumstance.

 

[Dadd]

Since some players insist on roleplaying as women and plain downsides for female characters are undesirable to them, one way to work around this negative stat (eg less str, dex for female characters) issue would be to give male characters in melee fights with female characters a morale penalty since realistically it would be demoralizing for male warriors to fight female soldiers, onani bushi etc in real life.

How did "morale penalty demoralize" him vs female swimmers?

He's not normal.

 

[markec]

Some contemporary revisionist historians believe that shields maidens did in fact exist.

FTFY.

Female Soviet snipers did exist, so why not shield maidens in less civilized times?

Both existed and both were used just for show.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

>Caster
>Relying on others to protect him.
> Not using summons and undead
> The enemy isn't a smouldering pile of meat 50km away

 

[ERYFKRAD]

>Caster

Trimmed the fat, friend. You're welcome.

 

[Arbiter]

Some contemporary revisionist historians believe that shields maidens did in fact exist.

FTFY.

Female Soviet snipers did exist, so why not shield maidens in less civilized times?

Both existed and both were used just for show.

Nazis got so desperate that they even sent child soldiers to frontlines. Adult women are certainly more effective soldiers than children. It would be surprising if women were not called to fight in times of need, especially in less civilized cultures.

 

[Arbiter]

it would be demoralizing if you were a male caster

This is true irrespective of specific circumstance.

 

[KainenMorden]

Yes, they've rewritten British history to claim there was a bunch of blacks living there and a bunch of black africans at Hadrian's wall.

The proof of these things is very contentious at best. They also have found a body of a woman from cyprus and claimed she was of black african descent. Even the model of what Cheddarman looks like is highly contentious and atleast one of the researchers involved admitted there was no way they could prove what he looked like/skin color from the dna sample they had.