Incline Josh Sawyer appreciation station

[Rhobar121]

To be a consultant, you need to represent something and have some success.

 

[Roguey]

Josh doesn't have the clout Avellone has. Sawyer is only known on niche RPG forums for weirdos, so who is going to be excited if he's a kickstarter goal?

What clout did Avellone have outside of niche RPG forums? Far more people have played New Vegas than Torment. Sawyer has twice as many followers on twitter than Avellone now.

 

[Cross]

Deadfire's long tail eventually vindicated his choices.

Deadfire didn't have a long tail. It flopped so hard that more people are playing the first Pillars right now.

 

[Drakortha]

Just imagine, Sawyer travelling from studio to studio, balancing everything and sucking the fun out of every video game within 1000 mile radius.

Name 3 upcoming games which look fun to you?

 

[Viata]

More people played NV because it was a game that easily pleased normies just like how FO3 did. People who played FO3 and liked it also bought NV and probably thought it was a Bethesda game (as we all know, most normies only remember who published the game, if they even care about it). So playing NV doesn't at all means people know about Sawyer. Which is not the same for Torment, a game that hardly pleased normies since it was a computer only game and only RPG fans give it a try which implies that most crpg fans know about Avellone (and funny enough, they also know about Sawyer since if they care about crpgs they end up wanting to know about the people that makes them too). So we can't just assume "X was played more than Y so people know W more than they know Z". As for twitter followers, what proof you have that Avellone didn't lose a lot of followers during all that trial bullshit that happened to him? And besides, Sawyer is well know among SJW fags so obviously they also waste more time on twitter than anything else.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Just imagine, Sawyer travelling from studio to studio, balancing everything and sucking the fun out of every video game within 1000 mile radius.

Name 3 upcoming games which look fun to you?

Sawyer works fast. He's an unstoppable force of decline!

 

[Drakortha]

More people played NV because it was a game that easily pleased normies just like how FO3 did. People who played FO3 and liked it also bought NV and probably thought it was a Bethesda game (as we all know, most normies only remember who published the game, if they even care about it).

People who liked Fallout 3 didn't like NV exactly because NV was not a game that easily pleased normies, which they soon realized shortly after starting the game.

They wandered North and got fucked by Deathclaws, or West and got fucked by Cazadores. They didn't understand how a game couldn't have level scaling and would challenge them out of the gate. You actually had to pay attention to dialogue where characters explicitly warned you about the dangers in the area and what to avoid, which is too much for a normie to comprehend. They were used to NPC's unlocking their next compass quest marker and sending them on their way.

 

[Viata]

I said bought, I didn't say they like it. A lot of people buy games they never played (see anyone that has a steam account) or ended up not liking it.

 

[Viata]

By trailer only, you can't tell me FO3 and NV are very different games. It uses the same engine, it looks the same, it was enough for anyone that liked FO3 to give NV a try.

 

[Drakortha]

You said it easily pleased normies like F3 did, which wasn't true. Sure, the trailers got them to buy it but they didn't enjoy it. It was too different.

 

[Viata]

You are right.
I should have said it easily pleased trans, but at this point I fail to see the difference between both groups.

 

[Roguey]

Deadfire didn't have a long tail. It flopped so hard that more people are playing the first Pillars right now.

You don't seem to understand what long tail means. The fact that its player count is just a bit under PoE's despite having a lower maximum player count is proof of the long tail. A slow-but-consistent seller that eventually made a profit.

 

[Viata]

PoE 1 was so bad it will take some time for people to give PoE 2 a try. I did like it when I played it, but shitty notebook + Unity (which means long loadings) made me drop the game. But it was far more interesting than the first game (which I bought on release and never finished it kek).

 

[Cross]

Deadfire didn't have a long tail. It flopped so hard that more people are playing the first Pillars right now.

You don't seem to understand what long tail means. The fact that its player count is just a bit under PoE's despite having a lower maximum player count is proof of the long tail. A slow-but-consistent seller that eventually made a profit.

You don't seem to understand that sequels, by being the more recent entry in a series, should have more active players by default.

For example:

Deadfire fails this basic test, because it was a massive flop. The first game only sold well because Kickstarter hype and false promises. Naturally, people steered clear of the sequel.

 

[Roguey]

You don't seem to understand that sequels, by being the more recent entry in a series, should have more active players by default.

Look at the maximum player count on Wrath.

Deadfire fails this basic test, because it was a massive flop.

On release. Not anymore.



The man bought an expensive watch with the bonus he got from Deadfire's eventual success.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

6 year old game isn't "recent".

 

[Cross]

Look at the maximum player count on Wrath.

That actually proves my point. Wrath's maximum player count is only double Deadfire's, but the amount of active players is more than 5 times that of Deadfire. Wrath has better player retention and a longer tail than Deadfire, contrary to your claims.

On release. Not anymore.

That tweet is from a few months ago. Breaking even half a decade after release isn't the success story you think it is. And Deadfire was crowdfunded, which makes it even worse.

The fact that he engraved that on his watch is further proof that it flopped. That's some massive cope.

 

[Tyranicon]

This is a legitimately funny post. Respect for Sawyer + 1.

Still not playing Deadfire tho.

 

[Modron]

6 year old game isn't "recent".

It is when you haven't released anything good since 2010.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Deadfire didn't have a long tail. It flopped so hard that more people are playing the first Pillars right now.

You don't seem to understand what long tail means. The fact that its player count is just a bit under PoE's despite having a lower maximum player count is proof of the long tail. A slow-but-consistent seller that eventually made a profit.

You don't seem to understand that sequels, by being the more recent entry in a series, should have more active players by default.

For example:

Deadfire fails this basic test, because it was a massive flop. The first game only sold well because Kickstarter hype and false promises. Naturally, people steered clear of the sequel.

I'd say Roguey is still somewhat correct. Deadfire is "POE2", WotR is not (even if it's technically a sequel). Plus, they do have the benefit of a license, as niche as Pathfinder might be. I think some people are starting to give PoE1 a chance, it's almost a decade since it came out and therefore it qualifies as retro now.

 

[Roguey]

That tweet is from a few months ago. Breaking even half a decade after release isn't the success story you think it is.

The fact that he engraved that on his watch is further proof that it flopped. That's some massive cope.

What I actually said:

Deadfire's long tail eventually vindicated his choices.

Obsidian Entertainment and Sawyer have concluded that Deadfire's underperformance was a marketing failure. If it was a truly bad game, it would have never turned a profit. Like Alpha Protocol which can't even be bought anymore because it didn't even make enough to justify renewing the rights to Turn Up the Radio after its 10-year license went up.

 

[lukaszek]

The man bought an expensive watch with the bonus he got from Deadfire's eventual success.

never said that he bought that watch then! Bonus was good enough of engraving on piece he already owned

 

[Infinitron]

I think if Sawyer were to go freelance, he'd be in demand as a "fixer" providing advice on how to manage projects and prevent scope creep and so on, not so much as a "celebrity contributor" like Avellone (although I guess somebody trying to appeal to New Vegas fans might find value in that as well).

Being the actual lead systems designer of a game probably isn't something you can do as a part-time freelancer.

 

[Desiderius]

Deadfire didn't have a long tail. It flopped so hard that more people are playing the first Pillars right now.

You don't seem to understand what long tail means. The fact that its player count is just a bit under PoE's despite having a lower maximum player count is proof of the long tail. A slow-but-consistent seller that eventually made a profit.

Long tail compared to its pinhead.

 

[Desiderius]

That tweet is from a few months ago. Breaking even half a decade after release isn't the success story you think it is.

The fact that he engraved that on his watch is further proof that it flopped. That's some massive cope.

What I actually said:

Deadfire's long tail eventually vindicated his choices.

Obsidian Entertainment and Sawyer have concluded that Deadfire's underperformance was a marketing failure. If it was a truly bad game, it would have never turned a profit. Like Alpha Protocol which can't even be bought anymore because it didn't even make enough to justify renewing the rights to Turn Up the Radio after its 10-year license went up.

Was the faceroll release dictated by marketing?