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The character models of FF7 have aged poorly, and the game falls off after the first disc. When people think of "FF7", what they are really thinking of is the dieselpunk dystopia of disc 1. There is a reason why all of the FF7 franchise stuff focuses on Midgar. No one's favorite memory is of meandering around aimlessly in disc 2. Later JRPGs have both better aesthetics and a more uniformly good experience that lasts beyond just the intro arc. FF10, Xenoblade 1, Trails of Cold Steel, etc. I would hesitate to recommend any of the PS1 FFs as your very first JRPG since all three of them fall off after a few hours in, but if I had to pick one then it would have to be FF9 since it's good for two discs and it looks the best. To be clear, they're not bad and they are worth playing, but they are not the best representation of the genre to newcomers nowadays.

Contrarian asf lol. And lol @ the dumbed down, ugly, feminized FF10 rec instead. Rewrite history and reality some more would you?

For the record, Midgar is my least favorite part of the game, because the gameplay is in training wheels phase. I like:

Optional exotic locations with lots of secrets or cool side content like Wutai, Under the Sea exploration or Cosmo Canyon.
Temple of the Ancients, Great Glacier and Northern Crater are epic dungeons, all three have a shot at top ten dungeons of RPGs (western included).
Gold Saucer is a fricken small-scale theme park built into a video game, even if a lot of it sucks that's still wild, impressive and memorable.

To name a few.

Later FF7 media is completely irrelevant. They focus on Midgar for a variety of reasons, none of which says anything as to the quality of the other 85% of the game.
As usual it's a case of storyfaggots, weirdos and edgelords shitting things up, unable to comprehend what is reality.

Cryomancer said:
I hate ANY game that forces me to play as a crossdressing dude with spyke hair and oversized sword. If FF7 had character creation, would be better.

Crossdressing...why are you taking that seriously? It's a silly quick section of the game handled humorously and does not try to make any statement of any kind. It's a fricken joke. Other equally cool media has done the same. This was back when you could make fun of the subject.

Highly suspicious you have even played the game.
 
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No one's favorite memory is of meandering around aimlessly in disc 2.
I dunno, I think doing various sidequests and fighting cool materia in disc 2/3 was my favourite part. Midgar is the best part of the setting, but it's the worst of the gameplay; you've got basically no options in how to kit out your party or where to go. It's a glorified movie and that influence on the genre was cancer. My favourite thing to do in jrpgs has always been trawling around on the world map looking for caves, towns, or anything else noteworthy that I haven't been sent to yet. Provided there are actually things to find that impact gameplay.

And besides Midgar, golden saucer was a cool place as well, and the reveal of Red XIII's father was pretty cool. All the generic villages were lame though.
 

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Highly suspicious you have even played the game.

Got bored and stopped playing.

My point remains, if someone mentions that don't like WRPGs because everything in Skyrim has no consequence, recommending a RPG with even less choice and consequence is silly. Just like recommending cloud or Van(ff12) to a guy that want to play as this :
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Instead of this :
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So yes, for him, SMT-3 Nocturne is imo the best recommendation.

It's a glorified movie

YES!!!

I also think that is sad that FF7 popularized JRPGs, instead of the much superior Kingsfield franchise and Wizardry Franchise. So many Wizardry games have no English translation...
 

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I also think that is sad that FF7 popularized JRPGs, instead of the much superior Kingsfield franchise

Officially outed yourself as 'tarded. Good job Cancermancer. Kings Field is mediocre and fully in the shadow of Ultima Underworld. The game design is mediocre, the production values are low, and it contributes almost nothing to the sub-genre of FP Real time Action RPG despite being one of the earliest. It's seriously like childs play next to other First Person games of the 90s, even other console games. It took From Software decades to make anything nearing greatness. Armored Core is jank. They ruined Tenchu. Kings Field is mediocre. They were slow on the ball miles behind the many legendary developers of the 90s, but smart enough to fill the gaping void left by all those movie games taking over the market in the late 2000s.


Midgar is very story-focused, though with still plenty gameplay merit often overlooked. Had you given the game the time and respect it deserves, you would have been treated to a proper game experience once the training wheels come off. But you gave up after 3% and robbed yourself of that and then go on to say stupid shit like Kings Field is "far superior". Go try the game again and be patient, it pays off.

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I dunno, I think doing various sidequests and fighting cool materia in disc 2/3 was my favourite part. Midgar is the best part of the setting, but it's the worst of the gameplay; you've got basically no options in how to kit out your party or where to go. It's a glorified movie and that influence on the genre was cancer. My favourite thing to do in jrpgs has always been trawling around on the world map looking for caves, towns, or anything else noteworthy that I haven't been sent to yet. Provided there are actually things to find that impact gameplay.

And besides Midgar, golden saucer was a cool place as well, and the reveal of Red XIII's father was pretty cool. All the generic villages were lame though.

Ah there we go, someone that isn't talking nonsense. Mostly. Unexpected source.

FF7 Midgar (4 hours, and roughly 5-10% of total game length) has more gameplay nuance than the entire first 8 hours of FF6. And lets not forget your beloved FF4 which pretty much never turns into a respectable game outside of its basic core challenge. I went looking for hidden content and it was rare to find shit. Any storyfag decline in JRPG starts long before FF7 with the likes of FF4, Chrono Trigger & Earthbound and in a more offensive way. Some kind of sad joke people try to lump the responsibility on to 7 when it's only the tutorial, whereas the entire length of something like Chrono Trigger is pure storyfag with zero gameplay worth talking about.

FF7 popular, therefore bad!
 
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What a coincidence! I spent two hours forum-diving on the Codex yesterday to collect PS2 and PSX recommendations. I won't play all these in a hundred years, but gotta download those ISOs for safekeeping before they get taken down.

Maybe it helps.

TitlePlatform
Soul Reaver 1Dreamcast
.hack // INFECTIONPS2
.hack // MUTATIONPS2
Ar Tonelico 1PS2
Ar Tonelico 2PS2
Arc The LadPS2
Armored CorePS2
Baldurs Gate: Dark AlliancePS2
Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance 2PS2
BaroquePS2
Beyond Good and EvilPS2
Blood will TellPS2
Breath of Fire: Dragon QuarterPS2
Champions of Norrath 1PS2
Champions of Norrath 2PS2
Colosseum: Road to FreedomPS2
Dark ChroniclePS2
Dark CloudPS2
Dark Cloud 2PS2
DeSu 2PS2
Deus ExPS2
Devil May Cry 1PS2
Digital Devil Saga 1PS2
Digital Devil Saga 2PS2
Disgaea 1PS2
Disgaea 2PS2
Dragon Quest VPS2
Dragon Quest VIIIPS2
Drakan: The Ancients GatesPS2
DrakengardPS2
Drakengard 1PS2
Dynasty TacticsPS2
Ephemeral FantasiaPS2
Eternal PoisonPS2
Eternal RingPS2
Eternal RingPS2
EvergracePS2
Fallout: Brotherhood of SteelPS2
Fallout: Brotherhood of SteelPS2
Fatal FramePS2
Final Fantasy XPS2
Final Fantasy X-2PS2
Final Fantasy XIIPS2
Final Fantay VII: Dirge of CerberusPS2
Forever KingdomPS2
Forgotten Realms: Demon StonePS2
Front Mission 4PS2
Front Mission 5PS2
Ghost in the ShellPS2
GhosthunterPS2
GladiusPS2
God HandPS2
Grandia 2PS2
Grandia XtremePS2
Growlanser 2PS2
Growlanser 3PS2
Growlanser 5PS2
GungravePS2
Hungry GhostsPS2
IcoPS2
Jade Cocoon 2PS2
Katamary DamacyPS2
Kessen 3PS2
King's Field IVPS2
King's Field: Ancient CityPS2
Kingdom Hearts 1PS2
Kingdom Hearts 2PS2
LA PucellePS2
Legacy of KainPS2
Legaia 2: Duel SagaPS2
Makai KingdomPS2
Mana Khemia 1PS2
Mana Khemia 2PS2
MaximoPS2
Metal Gear Solid 2PS2
Metal Gear Solid 3PS2
Metal SagaPS2
Monster HunterPS2
Naval OpsPS2
Nobunagas AmbitionPS2
Odin SpherePS2
Okage Shadow KingPS2
Okage Shadow KingPS2
OkamiPS2
Onimusha: Dawn of DreamsPS2
Persona 3PS2
Persona 3PS2
Persona 4PS2
PrimalPS2
Radiata StoriesPS2
Raidou 1PS2
Raidou 2PS2
Red FactionPS2
Rhapsody of ZephyrPS2
Ring of RedPS2
Robot Alchemic DrivePS2
Rogue GalaxyPS2
Romance of Three Kingdom 10PS2
Romancing SaGa: Minstrel SongPS2
Rule of RosePS2
Shadow Hearts 1PS2
Shadow Hearts 2PS2
Shadow Hearts 3PS2
Shadow of DestinyPS2
Shadow of RomePS2
Shadow of the ColossusPS2
Shadow Tower AbyssPS2
Shin Megami TenseiPS2
Shin Megami Tensei: NocturnePS2
Shinobido: Way of the NinjaPS2
Silent Hill 2PS2
Silent Hill 3PS2
Silent Hill 4PS2
Silent Hill: Shattered MemoriesPS2
SirenPS2
Soul Nomad & the World EatersPS2
Soul Nomad & the World EatersPS2
Star Ocean 3PS2
Steambot ChroniclesPS2
Steel Lancer Battle ArenaPS2
Suikoden 1PS2
Suikoden 2PS2
Suikoden 3PS2
Suikoden 5PS2
Summoner 2PS2
Tales of the AbyssPS2
TenchuPS2
The Bard's TalePS2
The Lord of the Rings: Third AgePS2
Twillight of SpiritsPS2
Unlimited SagaPS2
Unlimited SaGaPS2
Valkyrie Profile 2: SilmeriaPS2
Valkyrie Profile: LennethPS2
Warship Gunner 2PS2
Way of the SamuraiPS2
Way of the Samurai 2PS2
Wild Arms 3PS2
Wild Arms 5PS2
Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken LandsPS2
XenogearsPS2
Xenosaga 1PS2
Xenosaga 2PS2
Xenosaga 3PS2
Xmen: LegendsPS2
Xmen: Legends 2PS2
Yakuza 1PS2
Yakuza 2PS2
Zone of the EndersPS2
Zone of the Enders 2: The 2nd RunnerPS2
AlundraPSX
Azure DreamsPSX
Blood OmenPSX
Blood Omen: Legacy of KainPSX
Breath of Fire 3PSX
Breath of Fire 4PSX
BrigandinePSX
Carnage HeartPSX
Castlevania Symphony of the NightPSX
Castlevannia ChroniclesPSX
Chrono CrossPSX
Chrono TriggerPSX
Colony WarsPSX
EarthboundPSX
Final Fantasy IXPSX
Final Fantasy TacticsPSX
Final Fantasy VIIIPSX
Final Fantasy VIIIPSX
Gran Turismo 2PSX
GrandiaPSX
Harvest Moon Back to NaturePSX
Intelligent QubePSX
King's FieldPSX
Legend of DragoonPSX
Legend of LegaiaPSX
Legend of ManaPSX
Martian GothicPSX
Medieval 1PSX
Medieval 2PSX
Megaman 8PSX
Megaman LegendsPSX
Metal Gear SolidPSX
Parasite Eve 1PSX
Parasite Eve 2PSX
Persona 2PSX
PolicenautsPSX
RaymanPSX
Resident EvilPSX
Resident Evil 1PSX
Resident Evil 2PSX
Resident Evil 2PSX
Resident Evil 3PSX
Romance of 3 Kingdoms VIPSX
SaGa FrontierPSX
SaGa Frontier IIPSX
Secret of Mana 2PSX
ShadowtowerPSX
Silent HillPSX
Soul ReaverPSX
Soul ReaverPSX
Star Ocean 2PSX
Syphon FilterPSX
Tactics OgrePSX
Tales of DestinyPSX
Tales of Destiny 2PSX
Tales of Destiny 2PSX
Tales of PhantasiaPSX
Tecmo's Deception IIPSX
The HammerPSX
Tomba 1PSX
Tomba 2PSX
Vagrant StoryPSX
Valkyrie ProfilePSX
Vandal HeartsPSX
Wild ArmsPSX
Wild Arms 2PSX
XenogearsPSX
 

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esign is mediocre, the production values are low,

Not disagreeing. But by merely not forcing me to play as Cloud, I consider them superior. Not a hard bar.

Among Final Fantasies, I would recommend trying 1, 2 and 5. Those seems to be the best ones imo.
 

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Pretty sad, NPC-brained way to look at complex multimedia, but OK. Oh well, at least you recognize FF5 is gud. Not totally a lost cause.

What a coincidence! I spent two hours forum-diving on the Codex yesterday to collect PS2 and PSX recommendations. I won't play all these in a hundred years, but gotta download those ISOs for safekeeping before they get taken down.

Maybe it helps.

TitlePlatform
Soul Reaver 1Dreamcast
.hack // INFECTIONPS2
.hack // MUTATIONPS2
Ar Tonelico 1PS2
Ar Tonelico 2PS2
Arc The LadPS2
Armored CorePS2
Baldurs Gate: Dark AlliancePS2
Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance 2PS2
BaroquePS2
Beyond Good and EvilPS2
Blood will TellPS2
Breath of Fire: Dragon QuarterPS2
Champions of Norrath 1PS2
Champions of Norrath 2PS2
Colosseum: Road to FreedomPS2
Dark ChroniclePS2
Dark CloudPS2
Dark Cloud 2PS2
DeSu 2PS2
Deus ExPS2
Devil May Cry 1PS2
Digital Devil Saga 1PS2
Digital Devil Saga 2PS2
Disgaea 1PS2
Disgaea 2PS2
Dragon Quest VPS2
Dragon Quest VIIIPS2
Drakan: The Ancients GatesPS2
DrakengardPS2
Drakengard 1PS2
Dynasty TacticsPS2
Ephemeral FantasiaPS2
Eternal PoisonPS2
Eternal RingPS2
Eternal RingPS2
EvergracePS2
Fallout: Brotherhood of SteelPS2
Fallout: Brotherhood of SteelPS2
Fatal FramePS2
Final Fantasy XPS2
Final Fantasy X-2PS2
Final Fantasy XIIPS2
Final Fantay VII: Dirge of CerberusPS2
Forever KingdomPS2
Forgotten Realms: Demon StonePS2
Front Mission 4PS2
Front Mission 5PS2
Ghost in the ShellPS2
GhosthunterPS2
GladiusPS2
God HandPS2
Grandia 2PS2
Grandia XtremePS2
Growlanser 2PS2
Growlanser 3PS2
Growlanser 5PS2
GungravePS2
Hungry GhostsPS2
IcoPS2
Jade Cocoon 2PS2
Katamary DamacyPS2
Kessen 3PS2
King's Field IVPS2
King's Field: Ancient CityPS2
Kingdom Hearts 1PS2
Kingdom Hearts 2PS2
LA PucellePS2
Legacy of KainPS2
Legaia 2: Duel SagaPS2
Makai KingdomPS2
Mana Khemia 1PS2
Mana Khemia 2PS2
MaximoPS2
Metal Gear Solid 2PS2
Metal Gear Solid 3PS2
Metal SagaPS2
Monster HunterPS2
Naval OpsPS2
Nobunagas AmbitionPS2
Odin SpherePS2
Okage Shadow KingPS2
Okage Shadow KingPS2
OkamiPS2
Onimusha: Dawn of DreamsPS2
Persona 3PS2
Persona 3PS2
Persona 4PS2
PrimalPS2
Radiata StoriesPS2
Raidou 1PS2
Raidou 2PS2
Red FactionPS2
Rhapsody of ZephyrPS2
Ring of RedPS2
Robot Alchemic DrivePS2
Rogue GalaxyPS2
Romance of Three Kingdom 10PS2
Romancing SaGa: Minstrel SongPS2
Rule of RosePS2
Shadow Hearts 1PS2
Shadow Hearts 2PS2
Shadow Hearts 3PS2
Shadow of DestinyPS2
Shadow of RomePS2
Shadow of the ColossusPS2
Shadow Tower AbyssPS2
Shin Megami TenseiPS2
Shin Megami Tensei: NocturnePS2
Shinobido: Way of the NinjaPS2
Silent Hill 2PS2
Silent Hill 3PS2
Silent Hill 4PS2
Silent Hill: Shattered MemoriesPS2
SirenPS2
Soul Nomad & the World EatersPS2
Soul Nomad & the World EatersPS2
Star Ocean 3PS2
Steambot ChroniclesPS2
Steel Lancer Battle ArenaPS2
Suikoden 1PS2
Suikoden 2PS2
Suikoden 3PS2
Suikoden 5PS2
Summoner 2PS2
Tales of the AbyssPS2
TenchuPS2
The Bard's TalePS2
The Lord of the Rings: Third AgePS2
Twillight of SpiritsPS2
Unlimited SagaPS2
Unlimited SaGaPS2
Valkyrie Profile 2: SilmeriaPS2
Valkyrie Profile: LennethPS2
Warship Gunner 2PS2
Way of the SamuraiPS2
Way of the Samurai 2PS2
Wild Arms 3PS2
Wild Arms 5PS2
Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken LandsPS2
XenogearsPS2
Xenosaga 1PS2
Xenosaga 2PS2
Xenosaga 3PS2
Xmen: LegendsPS2
Xmen: Legends 2PS2
Yakuza 1PS2
Yakuza 2PS2
Zone of the EndersPS2
Zone of the Enders 2: The 2nd RunnerPS2
AlundraPSX
Azure DreamsPSX
Blood OmenPSX
Blood Omen: Legacy of KainPSX
Breath of Fire 3PSX
Breath of Fire 4PSX
BrigandinePSX
Carnage HeartPSX
Castlevania Symphony of the NightPSX
Castlevannia ChroniclesPSX
Chrono CrossPSX
Chrono TriggerPSX
Colony WarsPSX
EarthboundPSX
Final Fantasy IXPSX
Final Fantasy TacticsPSX
Final Fantasy VIIIPSX
Final Fantasy VIIIPSX
Gran Turismo 2PSX
GrandiaPSX
Harvest Moon Back to NaturePSX
Intelligent QubePSX
King's FieldPSX
Legend of DragoonPSX
Legend of LegaiaPSX
Legend of ManaPSX
Martian GothicPSX
Medieval 1PSX
Medieval 2PSX
Megaman 8PSX
Megaman LegendsPSX
Metal Gear SolidPSX
Parasite Eve 1PSX
Parasite Eve 2PSX
Persona 2PSX
PolicenautsPSX
RaymanPSX
Resident EvilPSX
Resident Evil 1PSX
Resident Evil 2PSX
Resident Evil 2PSX
Resident Evil 3PSX
Romance of 3 Kingdoms VIPSX
SaGa FrontierPSX
SaGa Frontier IIPSX
Secret of Mana 2PSX
ShadowtowerPSX
Silent HillPSX
Soul ReaverPSX
Soul ReaverPSX
Star Ocean 2PSX
Syphon FilterPSX
Tactics OgrePSX
Tales of DestinyPSX
Tales of Destiny 2PSX
Tales of Destiny 2PSX
Tales of PhantasiaPSX
Tecmo's Deception IIPSX
The HammerPSX
Tomba 1PSX
Tomba 2PSX
Vagrant StoryPSX
Valkyrie ProfilePSX
Vandal HeartsPSX
Wild ArmsPSX
Wild Arms 2PSX
XenogearsPSX


I would adjust the ever-living fuck out of that list and set you on the right path, but no one likes and listens to an elitist. Or something. Definitely some gems in there though.
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.
How tf is the FF7 remake so dissed in a jRPG section of all places? Does a chunk of the wider fandom hates it or is it just Codex being Codex?
 

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How tf is the FF7 remake so dissed in a jRPG section of all places? Does a chunk of the wider fandom hates it or is it just Codex being Codex?
Haven't played it, but from what I gather it is not really a remake and more of a sequel that changes the story, which is not what the fans originally wanted, so that might explain some of the hate
 

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How tf is the FF7 remake so dissed in a jRPG section of all places? Does a chunk of the wider fandom hates it or is it just Codex being Codex?

People complain about monetization, breaking the game in 4 chapters and about some story changes. Also censorship of Tifa's breasts.

But FF7 is trash. Go play SMT-3 Nocturne, the best JRPG that I played. Cool story, amazing dungeon design, amazing encounter design, amazing turn based combat...

NPC-brained way to look at complex multimedia,

Nope. Pick Baldur's Gate 2. My favorite game of all time.

If BG2 forced me to play as "Cloud" would suddenly become unplayable.

Not using the protagonists to criticize JRPGs more because WRPGs has protagonists like >

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How tf is the FF7 remake so dissed in a jRPG section of all places?

It's also just pretty shit in it's own right. It looks pretty, but it's got a ton of shitty filler to pad it out, ranging from sidequests to collect 10 widgets for children or whatever, to dozens of 'cinematic' spots where you have to shimmy through a narrow passageway or climb a ladder painfully slowly just to reach a dead end and backtrack through it. Combat is boring and drawn out, character customization is bland and shallow, and the story is some sort of nonsensical garbage involving time travel in a retarded, arbitrary way.
 

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How tf is the FF7 remake so dissed in a jRPG section of all places? Does a chunk of the wider fandom hates it or is it just Codex being Codex?
Aside from any other changes to the story, characterization, or gameplay, Squaresoft somehow transformed a 40-hour JRPG into a series of at least three games, which necessarily implies that the developers have bloated the game with extraneous content. :M
 

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Which could be a good thing in theory, if the new content was good, but it's not. Full of filler, fluff, busywork and ultra-cringe. That there are people out there that think it is good including some fans of the original just blows me away.
 

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How tf is the FF7 remake so dissed in a jRPG section of all places? Does a chunk of the wider fandom hates it or is it just Codex being Codex?
"Old thing gooood, new thing baaad!" is standard Codex procedure, plus a lot of brainlets got filtered by the marketing bait & switch and couldn't handle the fact that it was a totally new game rather than a remake.
 

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How tf is the FF7 remake so dissed in a jRPG section of all places? Does a chunk of the wider fandom hates it or is it just Codex being Codex?
Let me straight up tell you:
The game starts the same, but after the first hour the villain appears where he shouldn't and he has *literally* read the script and is here to fucking change to story of the entire game, because he is suddenly aware of the multiverse.
To stop him, we have a swarm of dementors that force the characters to stop breaking continuity and literally push them into the ''correct'' direction.
They grabbed the first 5 hours of FF7 and somehow stretched them to an absurd 50+, by wasting your time in the most extreme ways possible.
And all of that, is without getting into any spoilers. The ''remake'' part of the name doesn't mean that the game is a remake.
 

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Can't commend on FF's because they seem to have a TB but not really approach to combat so I never played them. But if we are still pitching games I'd like to suggest the first 2 Golden Suns. Quality games in my opinion who's only major flaw is the UNSKIPPABLE dialogue dumps the game likes to throw at you. Other than that major drawback the gameplay is fun, definatly weeb but your not running around with a team of loli's, no need to grind but there will be plenty of random encounters unfortunatly. And quite the focus on environmental magic puzzles which I quite liked. They are not very hard but are what I'd personally consider classic JRPG in setup, and my first experience with the genre if you don't count Pokemon games.
 

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I don't hate anime as such, just the modern pedo variety. I actually love the older anime movies from Ghibli or the early Ghost in the Shell movies. And I liked Vinland Saga too. Is there a Vinland Saga-inspired jRPG? I'd play the shit out of it.
If your problem is with more recent trends in Jap entertainment, then I think you can play most JRPGs from before 2000, and some in the few years after, without encountering these issues. Whether they're otherwise worth playing is a different story. 90s Square is a safe bet, though imo their output started faltering in quality once FF8 came out. I've only put a few hours into the 7th entry of Dragon Quest, but it was pretty good up until i got lost. Valkyrie Profile 1 rocks. Excepting Persona, everything SMT related in the 00s was damn good. the DDS duology and Devil Survivor 1 in particular are worth a shot (an aside, I'd be weary of Atlus's DS-to-3DS ports, they often inserted P2W DLC into the games and then messed with the game balancing to move sales of said DLC). While I haven't played many of them, there's a ton of JP-only Fantasy/Dark Fantasy JRPGs for the SNES, Genesis and so on that have gotten fan TLs over the years. You may find the likes of Tales of Phantasia (also has PSX port, far cry from the weebery of its successors btw), Dark Law, Mystic Ark, the Langrisser series (do not under any circumstances play Langrisser 1+2), and etc. to be at least close to what you're looking for.
I'm surprised no one mentioned Koudelka, an anti–weeb JRPG (Shadow Hearts series, Koudelka's sequels, are weeb as fuck though)


Koudelka is an interesting game, but not necessarily a good one. Its massively handicapped by the devs' decision to slap a boring/time-wasting/tension-killing/etc. battle system onto what was supposed to be a survival horror game, rather than figure out how to program NPC interactions. That being said, the "fluff" (everything other than the gameplay) of the game is immensely inspired, and it's short enough that it's worth playing once, if there's nothing better to do. Another game like this would be Terranigma, in that case a lot of the devs' ambition was hampered by technical limitations. Beautiful game though.
I'd also like to warn all longtime jRPGs fans that I'm just a vanguard of a vast army of wRPG nerds who are currently being routed from the genre by screeching fat purple-hair vegan landwhales and zero-T soyed male devs who WILL keep cramming empowered black wahmen into western RPGs until nothing but rubble and tumbleweed remains.

You don't accept immigrants? Well tough, your cute snug niche will be like that small American town overrun with Haitian dindus very soon.
To be honest JRPGs have suffered the same kind of decline western games have, but instead of taking up tumblr politics and antagonizing their would-be customers [to cover up how shitty the games are] JRPG devs went girl crazy (and started ripping off whatever LNs were trendy at the time). Course their partners in the West would rather the Japs be more like them, as previously discussed.
 

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Can't commend on FF's because they seem to have a TB but not really approach to combat so I never played them.
Final Fantasy IV adopted an "Active Time Battle System", which is functionally the same turn-based, Wizardry-like combat except now with timers determining when the PCs and enemies individually act (and the player can suffer adverse consequences from delaying too long in selecting a character's input); this system was employed in the next five Final Fantasies. FF X returned to fully turn-based combat, FF XI was an MMORPG (as is FF XIV), and the later games all imitated different real-time combat systems.
 

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Ah I thought it was more degenerate than that, requiring RL input during your TB actions. Makes it less bad but the games don't seem all that interesting to me anyway. I genreally don't play for plot and gameplay seems so-so.
 

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The character models of FF7 have aged poorly, and the game falls off after the first disc. When people think of "FF7", what they are really thinking of is the dieselpunk dystopia of disc 1. There is a reason why all of the FF7 franchise stuff focuses on Midgar. No one's favorite memory is of meandering around aimlessly in disc 2. Later JRPGs have both better aesthetics and a more uniformly good experience that lasts beyond just the intro arc. FF10, Xenoblade 1, Trails of Cold Steel, etc. I would hesitate to recommend any of the PS1 FFs as your very first JRPG since all three of them fall off after a few hours in, but if I had to pick one then it would have to be FF9 since it's good for two discs and it looks the best. To be clear, they're not bad and they are worth playing, but they are not the best representation of the genre to newcomers nowadays.

Contrarian asf lol. And lol @ the dumbed down, ugly, feminized FF10 rec instead. Rewrite history and reality some more would you?

For the record, Midgar is my least favorite part of the game, because the gameplay is in training wheels phase. I like:

Optional exotic locations with lots of secrets or cool side content like Wutai, Under the Sea exploration or Cosmo Canyon.
Temple of the Ancients, Great Glacier and Northern Crater are epic dungeons, all three have a shot at top ten dungeons of RPGs (western included).
Gold Saucer is a fricken small-scale theme park built into a video game, even if a lot of it sucks that's still wild, impressive and memorable.

To name a few.

Later FF7 media is completely irrelevant. They focus on Midgar for a variety of reasons, none of which says anything as to the quality of the other 85% of the game.
As usual it's a case of storyfaggots, weirdos and edgelords shitting things up, unable to comprehend what is reality.

Cryomancer said:
I hate ANY game that forces me to play as a crossdressing dude with spyke hair and oversized sword. If FF7 had character creation, would be better.

Crossdressing...why are you taking that seriously? It's a silly quick section of the game handled humorously and does not try to make any statement of any kind. It's a fricken joke. Other equally cool media has done the same. This was back when you could make fun of the subject.

Highly suspicious you have even played the game.
The game does open up after Midgar and becomes enjoyable.

Replaying it years ago, though, I was struck by how poorly put together the story/plot is with very bad world building slapped on to make it worse.

The pacing is bad where the heart of the game is the journey from Midgar to the northern crater.

I think the main thing the game does it evoke the imagination, especially in fleshing out Midgar more, but all attempts afterwards by Square to do so have failed because nothing can compare to what has been imagined by people.
 

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How tf is the FF7 remake so dissed in a jRPG section of all places? Does a chunk of the wider fandom hates it or is it just Codex being Codex?
People wanted the game redone with an enlargened scale, to show that which the PSX couldn't show back in the day.

Instead of a strict remake, they used the story to make their own story that no one wanted.
 

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