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Ash

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I must say, I've been curious about FF7 OG for many years but never got around to playing past the first battle in the train station (about 2 minutes in). But I finally obtained a copy after much anguish, indecision and research on which port or version to play (there must be at least 10 of them by now not including the remakes and spinoffs). Considered the PSX original in emulation but I want at least some QoL stuff. So I finally settled on the Switch version. Seems to give the most authentic experience with even original MIDI music and 15 FPS in battle, and bug fixes, of course. May the God of jRPG Emus be with me.
Really poor choice. All you need is either the original PC release or the Steam version and Reunion.

Screw that. Emulate original PSX for zero fucking around, absolute stability, OG quality, and most notably HardType romhack if you've played the game even once before. That Reunion mod, a good chunk of it is in fixing the game to be more like the PSX version. The dealbreaker is no HardType mod though.

Still, yes, the ultimate poor choice is initial PC release with MIDI music...that's just playing the game wrong, no two ways about it.
 

Morpheus Kitami

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What a coincidence! I spent two hours forum-diving on the Codex yesterday to collect PS2 and PSX recommendations. I won't play all these in a hundred years, but gotta download those ISOs for safekeeping before they get taken down.

Maybe it helps.

TitlePlatform
Soul Reaver 1Dreamcast
.hack // INFECTIONPS2
.hack // MUTATIONPS2
Ar Tonelico 1PS2
Ar Tonelico 2PS2
Arc The LadPS2
Armored CorePS2
Baldurs Gate: Dark AlliancePS2
Baldurs Gate: Dark Alliance 2PS2
BaroquePS2
Beyond Good and EvilPS2
Blood will TellPS2
Breath of Fire: Dragon QuarterPS2
Champions of Norrath 1PS2
Champions of Norrath 2PS2
Colosseum: Road to FreedomPS2
Dark ChroniclePS2
Dark CloudPS2
Dark Cloud 2PS2
DeSu 2PS2
Deus ExPS2
Devil May Cry 1PS2
Digital Devil Saga 1PS2
Digital Devil Saga 2PS2
Disgaea 1PS2
Disgaea 2PS2
Dragon Quest VPS2
Dragon Quest VIIIPS2
Drakan: The Ancients GatesPS2
DrakengardPS2
Drakengard 1PS2
Dynasty TacticsPS2
Ephemeral FantasiaPS2
Eternal PoisonPS2
Eternal RingPS2
Eternal RingPS2
EvergracePS2
Fallout: Brotherhood of SteelPS2
Fallout: Brotherhood of SteelPS2
Fatal FramePS2
Final Fantasy XPS2
Final Fantasy X-2PS2
Final Fantasy XIIPS2
Final Fantay VII: Dirge of CerberusPS2
Forever KingdomPS2
Forgotten Realms: Demon StonePS2
Front Mission 4PS2
Front Mission 5PS2
Ghost in the ShellPS2
GhosthunterPS2
GladiusPS2
God HandPS2
Grandia 2PS2
Grandia XtremePS2
Growlanser 2PS2
Growlanser 3PS2
Growlanser 5PS2
GungravePS2
Hungry GhostsPS2
IcoPS2
Jade Cocoon 2PS2
Katamary DamacyPS2
Kessen 3PS2
King's Field IVPS2
King's Field: Ancient CityPS2
Kingdom Hearts 1PS2
Kingdom Hearts 2PS2
LA PucellePS2
Legacy of KainPS2
Legaia 2: Duel SagaPS2
Makai KingdomPS2
Mana Khemia 1PS2
Mana Khemia 2PS2
MaximoPS2
Metal Gear Solid 2PS2
Metal Gear Solid 3PS2
Metal SagaPS2
Monster HunterPS2
Naval OpsPS2
Nobunagas AmbitionPS2
Odin SpherePS2
Okage Shadow KingPS2
Okage Shadow KingPS2
OkamiPS2
Onimusha: Dawn of DreamsPS2
Persona 3PS2
Persona 3PS2
Persona 4PS2
PrimalPS2
Radiata StoriesPS2
Raidou 1PS2
Raidou 2PS2
Red FactionPS2
Rhapsody of ZephyrPS2
Ring of RedPS2
Robot Alchemic DrivePS2
Rogue GalaxyPS2
Romance of Three Kingdom 10PS2
Romancing SaGa: Minstrel SongPS2
Rule of RosePS2
Shadow Hearts 1PS2
Shadow Hearts 2PS2
Shadow Hearts 3PS2
Shadow of DestinyPS2
Shadow of RomePS2
Shadow of the ColossusPS2
Shadow Tower AbyssPS2
Shin Megami TenseiPS2
Shin Megami Tensei: NocturnePS2
Shinobido: Way of the NinjaPS2
Silent Hill 2PS2
Silent Hill 3PS2
Silent Hill 4PS2
Silent Hill: Shattered MemoriesPS2
SirenPS2
Soul Nomad & the World EatersPS2
Soul Nomad & the World EatersPS2
Star Ocean 3PS2
Steambot ChroniclesPS2
Steel Lancer Battle ArenaPS2
Suikoden 1PS2
Suikoden 2PS2
Suikoden 3PS2
Suikoden 5PS2
Summoner 2PS2
Tales of the AbyssPS2
TenchuPS2
The Bard's TalePS2
The Lord of the Rings: Third AgePS2
Twillight of SpiritsPS2
Unlimited SagaPS2
Unlimited SaGaPS2
Valkyrie Profile 2: SilmeriaPS2
Valkyrie Profile: LennethPS2
Warship Gunner 2PS2
Way of the SamuraiPS2
Way of the Samurai 2PS2
Wild Arms 3PS2
Wild Arms 5PS2
Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken LandsPS2
XenogearsPS2
Xenosaga 1PS2
Xenosaga 2PS2
Xenosaga 3PS2
Xmen: LegendsPS2
Xmen: Legends 2PS2
Yakuza 1PS2
Yakuza 2PS2
Zone of the EndersPS2
Zone of the Enders 2: The 2nd RunnerPS2
AlundraPSX
Azure DreamsPSX
Blood OmenPSX
Blood Omen: Legacy of KainPSX
Breath of Fire 3PSX
Breath of Fire 4PSX
BrigandinePSX
Carnage HeartPSX
Castlevania Symphony of the NightPSX
Castlevannia ChroniclesPSX
Chrono CrossPSX
Chrono TriggerPSX
Colony WarsPSX
EarthboundPSX
Final Fantasy IXPSX
Final Fantasy TacticsPSX
Final Fantasy VIIIPSX
Final Fantasy VIIIPSX
Gran Turismo 2PSX
GrandiaPSX
Harvest Moon Back to NaturePSX
Intelligent QubePSX
King's FieldPSX
Legend of DragoonPSX
Legend of LegaiaPSX
Legend of ManaPSX
Martian GothicPSX
Medieval 1PSX
Medieval 2PSX
Megaman 8PSX
Megaman LegendsPSX
Metal Gear SolidPSX
Parasite Eve 1PSX
Parasite Eve 2PSX
Persona 2PSX
PolicenautsPSX
RaymanPSX
Resident EvilPSX
Resident Evil 1PSX
Resident Evil 2PSX
Resident Evil 2PSX
Resident Evil 3PSX
Romance of 3 Kingdoms VIPSX
SaGa FrontierPSX
SaGa Frontier IIPSX
Secret of Mana 2PSX
ShadowtowerPSX
Silent HillPSX
Soul ReaverPSX
Soul ReaverPSX
Star Ocean 2PSX
Syphon FilterPSX
Tactics OgrePSX
Tales of DestinyPSX
Tales of Destiny 2PSX
Tales of Destiny 2PSX
Tales of PhantasiaPSX
Tecmo's Deception IIPSX
The HammerPSX
Tomba 1PSX
Tomba 2PSX
Vagrant StoryPSX
Valkyrie ProfilePSX
Vandal HeartsPSX
Wild ArmsPSX
Wild Arms 2PSX
XenogearsPSX
Not necessarily interested in the main topic of this conversation, ironically enough most Japanese games that western players would enjoy tend to not get translated since the Japanese didn't find it worth trying to translate (Rejection, most of the Lunatic Dawn games outside of a few with a fan translation) but some of the choices you got recommended seem strange. I presume whoever said the rest of the Persona games but not 1 was presumably suggesting the PSP version, since the US release of the original, while mostly the same game, had a few stupid localization changes. And just one of the Deception series? I wasn't aware that there was anything wrong with Deception I/Trapped, I believe the name was. And a lot of these have superior ports on other platforms, for instance, X-Men Legends 2 has a much better PC port, including mods that add in other characters.
That said, I'd suggest adding Addi no Okurimono, Germs and Welcome House, which all have English translations of varying quality, and are all really nice games, at least for one playthrough.
 

Damned Registrations

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And just one of the Deception series? I wasn't aware that there was anything wrong with Deception I/Trapped, I believe the name was.
Yeah that seemed bizarre to me. The series actually has 4 games, Trapt (sp?/sic) was the fourth. Definitely recommend checking them out, very cool premise with some flawed execution. Maybe one day we'll get a good sequel/successor. My best description would be something akin to a grimdark version of Home Alone with rpg elements for improving your traps. I liked 3 the best, iirc.

Huh, apparently there's a Deception 4 as well. Cool.

 

Morpheus Kitami

Liturgist
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Yeah that seemed bizarre to me. The series actually has 4 games, Trapt (sp?/sic) was the fourth. Definitely recommend checking them out, very cool premise with some flawed execution. Maybe one day we'll get a good sequel/successor. My best description would be something akin to a grimdark version of Home Alone with rpg elements for improving your traps. I liked 3 the best, iirc.
Oh, yeah, I kept thinking it was an alternative name for the first game. It's one of those weird games where you could describe it as a RPG but it doesn't really play as one, since you get role-playing choices and stats, but because you're tricking enemies into traps rather than fighting them it isn't really a RPG.
 
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Anyone know if "Beacause retranslation" version of FFVII is better than original? Not sure which one to download to my PS1 games folder. From torrent description:
Beacause is a Final Fantasy VII relocalization. It is a complete retranslation and relocalization
from the ground up, based on the original Japanese. The aim is to have an end product that
is accurate and professional. Official sources have been used to minimize errors in context
and spelling. The project's name "Beacause" comes from a misspelling (in the original
localization) of the only line spoken by Jenova.
 

Polvo

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Anyone know if "Beacause retranslation" version of FFVII is better than original? Not sure which one to download to my PS1 games folder.
The original translation will lie to you when it gives game hints. Between that and Beacause, the latter is the clear winner. That said I know Squenix made much needed changes to the original script for the many rereleases of FF7 (from PS4 up), and I believe that's been ported to PSX too.
 
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The original translation will lie to you when it gives game hints. Between that and Beacause, the latter is the clear winner. That said I know Squenix made much needed changes to the original script for the many rereleases of FF7 (from PS4 up), and I believe that's been ported to PSX too.

I have no clue how to tell which official PSX version is the one with changes so I guess I'll just grab the retranslation.
 

Arthandas

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Anyone know if "Beacause retranslation" version of FFVII is better than original?
You really need to ask if it's better than the original rushed fanfic slop? Not to mention Beacause fixes and enhances like a billion other things.
Also
a) the psx version is outdated and afaik there's no official torrent for it so I have no idea what you're downloading. Use the official site.
b) the PC version (with Beacause) is superior in every single way

That said I know Squenix made much needed changes to the original script for the many rereleases of FF7 (from PS4 up), and I believe that's been ported to PSX too.
The changes are miniscule and mostly irrelevant.
 

Ash

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"much needed" translation. OMG the game had a typo in the word "because", lets grab a complete rework of the entire script made by JRPG fanboy weirdos.

The restranslations may very well be great, but the original script is fine outside of some errors here and there. It doesn't warrant a heavy-handed approach.

Eh whatever, can't complain, it's fanmade in their own time and distributed for free. It's not like the "remake" for instance. They took the game's TUTORIAL (Midgar is the game's tutorial) and padded the ever-living fuck out of it into a 40 hour game, complete with maximum cringe and filler. Only in this pathetic modern clown world is that not only acceptable, but has its praises sung by the masses and is nominated for GOTY.
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Arthandas

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original script is fine
The original script is famously bad as it was literally done by a single guy under a heavy crunch. It's full of typos, complete mistranslations and various omissions. It's almost on par with Xenogears translation wise. You need to be completely braindead to think it's fine.
 

Ash

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Mistranslations and omissions doesn't necessarily = bad. It just results in something else than was originally intended. And what that result is is one of the most beloved and acclaimed JRPGs of all time, which its story plays a big part in. Typos do matter but it's really negligible. Keep on being you, I guess. It's fine. Could it be better? Sure, if executed right. But it IS fine as it is.
 
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MerchantKing

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Just play Final Fantasy Tactics. Not the War of the Lions version with all the unnecessary rebalances. The original Playstation version.
 

Cryomancer

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Just play Final Fantasy Tactics. Not the War of the Lions version with all the unnecessary rebalances. The original Playstation version.

Since you like Gnomes and Illlusion/Enchantment magic so much, any JRPG where I can use it to mess with NPCs?

Also, why the Gnome merchant guild NEVER sells dominate person scrolls to non gnomes?
 

MerchantKing

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Just play Final Fantasy Tactics. Not the War of the Lions version with all the unnecessary rebalances. The original Playstation version.

Since you like Gnomes and Illlusion/Enchantment magic so much, any JRPG where I can use it to mess with NPCs?
JRPGS I'm familiar wtih don't really have very much "Illusion" magic. It's more just Enchantment magic for them; Confusion, Sleep, Berserk, and those types of effects. In FFT, it would be the Oracle job that does all that enchantments stuff though the Templar, Beowolf, can also do that as a High Templar of the Merchants Guild. He also comes with a Dragon Wife who makes for an extremely powerful Wizard.

Also Wizards can turn enemies into toads.
Also, why the Gnome merchant guild NEVER sells dominate person scrolls to non gnomes?
Stop asking questions.
 

Zed Duke of Banville

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Dark Souls is a Japanese-developed Action RPG. The term WRPG has no meaning except as Western-developed RPG, considering Japanesers have been making Wizardry-likes since the '80s, Underworld-likes since 1994, et cetera. :M
 

Nutmeg

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It also has much more in common with a whole history of dark fantasy JARPGs from Faxanadu to Terranigma to Brightis, not to mention direct predecessors from the same developer in King's Field (speaking of Underworld-likes) and (I would strongly argue) Armored Core.
 

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