Dota 2 Discussion (~Boston Majors & Road to TI7~)

[Castanova]

I'm always scared to try Brew because I feel like I'd cast the ult and then completely fail at microing the three bewlings.

Right now I'm in love with Rubick and Chaos Knight.

 

[Zed]

Rubick in a Brewmaster game is fun.

 

[Merkwürdigliebe]

They just added, Lanya. About time. It would also appear they added Russian servers, hopefully there will be less Russians in public games now. What is interesting is that the Russia server icon is placed in Stockholm on the map. These americans aren't to good at geography.

 

[communard]

They just added, Lanya. About time. It would also appear they added Russian servers, hopefully there will be less Russians in public games now. What is interesting is that the Russia server icon is placed in Stockholm on the map. These americans aren't to good at geography.

Stockholm is the physical location of the "Russian" servers.

 

[kingcomrade]

Don't be scared to play Brewmaster, he's not hard. I mean maybe my view is skewed because he's been one of my favorite heroes for years, but honestly there's not a lot to him. Blink, clap, maybe booze, then ult. Figure out who you're trying to kill and right click your dudes on them. There's only two real spells to use, boulder and cyclone. Technically you can do more damage by windwalking the storm panda, but honestly it's usually not worth your micro time unless you're very fast. Just remember to play him like Axe or Slardar. It's even ok to go arcane boots. That was actually my old build on him, way back when arcane ring was the item. Blink dagger + arcane ring was more expensive but better the than arcane boots + blink of today, but then again he didn't have such a retardedly good Agh's upgrade.

Lanaya is one of the best pubstompers. She will see competitive play (she did in Dota 1 a lot) as well, just because she's that good. Even without her other skills, her ult is just so broken.

Everybody should be in love with Chaos Knight. He's always been one of my favorite heroes, but I think he's overpowered as he is right now. He really has no downsides besides maybe being melee, but he has a "gap closer" as they call it in league of easymode. High stats, amazing skills....if he's not banned there is zero reason to ever pick Skeleton King or Sven and I think that sucks.

 

[Zed]

I always wait a patch or two before I start playing "new" heroes. I just started playing Wisp for instance. My first game was shit, but the second game I went 10-4-2X.
There are so many heroes I never played in WC3 dota (wisp being one of them). I don't know the "hero added" timeline for WC3 dota but I'm sure I missed like 6-8 heroes before quitting (and then playing HoN instead). I learn pretty fast though, and I can play the ones I've learned pretty well.

Meepo was one of my stronger heroes back in the day when I played private dota pickup and had a pretty seriousface team going (me + IRL friend + a handful of nerds from the WoW guild Method). I heard they are gonna add him next. I also played a pretty nice Magnataur so I hope they add him too. Pit Lord as well.

 

[Merkwürdigliebe]

Concerning Brew Master he appears to be a pretty good counter to many hard carry heroes due to how long he can negate their auto attack damage. However I assume that a MKB would make all this miss chance essentially worth less yes?

 

[Damned Registrations]

or just a bkb o remove the debuff

 

[kingcomrade]

Yeah it's usually BKB, not MKB that makes his booze attack not terribly great. You basically have to wait until after BKB. It's mostly used for the slow, though, rather than miss, so you can use it on people other than the carry. It's also pretty good early-midgame when people don't have those type of items.

Zed a lot of people have been saying Pit Lord (along with Tauren Chieftain and Pheonix) are getting remade, since on the dota 1 website Icefrog started feedback threads for those three heroes, which is what he does when he is thinking about remaking them. I just want to see his concept art. I really want to see his concept art.

Magnataur is another old favorite of mine. He was real good at solo mid with a bottle cause of the low mana cost of his nuke.

 

[Zed]

Zed a lot of people have been saying Pit Lord (along with Tauren Chieftain and Pheonix) are getting remade, since on the dota 1 website Icefrog started feedback threads for those three heroes, which is what he does when he is thinking about remaking them. I just want to see his concept art. I really want to see his concept art.

Oh... I thought they would make DotA2 exactly like WC3 DotA (version 6.7? I have no idea), then make changes. Oh well, doesn't really matter. Unlike S2 or Blizzard or any other company developing/patching competitive games I actually trust Valve to do the right things.

 

[kingcomrade]

They make changes alongside Dota 1. When Dota 1's current version came out a few months ago in the next Dota 2 patch they updated D2 with all the same changes.

 

[kingcomrade]

I played a game with Templar and she's just as good as I remember. She's such a good hero. She will definitely impact the competitive scene

 

[Malakal]

I just received an invite to as soon as I refresh my memory and adjust to new things I'll join you guys.

 

[Malakal]

Played my first sessions yesterday. Very underwhelming. After playing dotalicious gaming random players are just HORRIBLE. Still it may be good for me since I have to adjust to changes, especially with hotkeys and attack animations.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Yeah in your average pub game count yourself lucky if they team even has a courier and wards before leaving base. Half the games get thrown by one side or the other before a kill even happens just by laning/picking decisions that are insanely bad.

In other words expect to win a lot of bingo:

 

[Malakal]

While most points are true this bingo is inaccurate in others:
-mid hero has the perfect spot for ganking and many mid heroes excel at this ie nightstalker,
-reporting for something like afk is always acceptable,
-boots are a decent first item on jugger and bottle works with wards on middle hero controlling the runes,

 

[Zed]

mid ganks can easily be shut down by a competent team with wards, but in pubs in general I would agree with your statement.

unless you randomed QoP or some hero guaranteed to get runes (with wards), bottle is never a good first choice, IMO. it's extremely cost inefficient unless you get runes.

boots first aren't even good on jugger unless you're playing against retards. or unless you randomed. if you randomed in AP boots first together with pot and tango is a pretty decent choice for a lot of heroes, especially heroes like zeus or ES where you'll want arcane boots asap anyway. if I random zeus or ES I go boots (500), pot (100) and 4xmanapot (200), or 2xmanapot and a tangoo. unless I have to buy cour ofc, then I skip boots.

 

[kingcomrade]

Bottle is a really bad first item as well just because it doesn't give you any benefit unless you're really bad at last hitting. You should be able to courier yourself a bottle before the 2 minute rune spawns, and definitely before the 4 minute rune. So what did buying it first get you? If you get it by 2 minutes then you literally have the same number of charges at your disposal than if you went bottle first, and you are missing a bunch of stat items and better regen.

Boots first aren't good on juggernaut. In general having a stun or slow in your lane makes them superfluous while having a stout shield and some stats makes you safer while you attack and farm.

 

[meh]

Boots first are okay if you go on an off lane and don't have any evasion, f.e. Lich. You are safe early game until you get the enemy wave under your tower to safely farm.

 

[kingcomrade]

Naga Siren, for the people who didnt play Dota 1, is a fucking fantastic carry. Not top tier in competitive, but in pub games (which is what we all play) she's one of the best carry heroes to pick. She has an amazing escape mechanism, she carries well, her net is one of the BEST disables in the game and goes through BKB. I like her skills in general but her net is what makes her special. It stops riki from going invisible, btw.

What excited me about this patch, though, is how awesome this guy looks:

 

[Castanova]

I played a game with Templar and she's just as good as I remember. She's such a good hero. She will definitely impact the competitive scene

I just had a game last night (as Clinkz) where I went hard lane with my low-MMR friend (playing Enchantress) and found that our lane opposition was a TA + Viper combo... lawl. The TA proceeds to simply Meld near the creeps in order to get "risk-free" XP and not even bothering to last hit. At one point the TA Melded underneath our tower and got to like 10% health before realizing her stealth was not working. The sad part was the rest of her team was almost just as bad. Easiest game I've ever played.

I can see why TA is a beast but I'm really liking Phantom Assassin at the moment. I like how you can still farm even if the laning phase is going poorly and how you can DPS like crazy even with defensive items.

 

[kingcomrade]

Looks like I'm wrong, Naga is actually a popular pick in Dota 1 competitive. I should have thought that, considering she has one of the best disables for dealing with BKB heroes (it's kind of like roar on a much shorter cooldown).

 

[Damned Registrations]

I always thought her ult was the most broken thing about her. Sleep 3 people, pick off two, win game. Or just sleep 5 people, destroy a tower and leave. Never mind the combinations with healers or heroes that require a long setup/nice positioning.

 

[Castanova]

kingcomrade, since you're such a proponent of CK, how bout this pub build: start off with tangos and gloves of haste, first item midas. I feel like CK benefits from farm and attack speed quite a bit and he's pretty beefy in the lane anyway.

 

[Damned Registrations]

I've been playing him a lot lately too. 9/2 so far. Early midas might work but I think I'd rather focus on the reliability of the hero. I generally start with tangoes, salve and an axe, and pick up a wand at the sideshop as soon as I can safely get there. With the axe, you can snag nearly every cs even with retards on your team fighting you for cs, and a magic stick covers you for mana for most of the game against most teams. Then I go for treads and drum. After that depends on the game, either lifesteal if I think it's going to be a long game or I'll need to farm the jungle, early bkb if the enemy team has too many disables/nukes, or an armlet if things are going well.

CK can actually farm pretty decently just because he's so hard to push out of a lane. I generally just static farm a lane, and unless 2 or 3 people come to stop me, I can just beat the shit out of anyone trying to stop my freefarm. If theres a teamfight elsewhere you can either join in or split push a tower with ult. If the enemy team tries to gank you a lot just tp between top and bot lane a lot.

One of the problems with midas is that it doesn't give your illusions anything. They only get attack speed from stats or auras. The other thing is that CK is naturally a beast around level 7 or so; having a drum and wand at that point instead of a midas will get you a lot more kills, so you're not just farming decently yourself, but actively fucking the enemy farm. The last problem is that a lot of the items CK gets are pretty cheap (drum, armlet, wand) so you run out of room pretty quickly if you throw in a midas. Especially bad if you want to carry around dust.