Deadlock - New Dota-like TPS by Valve

[abija]

The surprise is the amount of consoletards hired by Valve in order for this game to be a TPS.

 

[PlayerEmers]

The surprise is the amount of consoletards hired by Valve in order for this game to be a TPS.

I honestly can't see this game working as a FPS while maintaining the core moba-like element in the game.

On a moba game with multiple heroes, skills and active items, awareness is really important. Theres already too much stuff going on in mobas, the fact that this is a shooter adds one more layer of complexity in the game.

Being a TPS makes it easier to have spatial awareness and read your surrounds for enemy heroes, spells and active items. But it still is rather overwhelming at times to understand what the fuck is happening (specially for new players).

I cant imagine the game as a FPS, it would make the game even harder and overwhelming. I know FPS hero shooters exists, but none use the dota-like moba element to it like this game does (so they have one less layer to add to complexity).

 

[Gerrard]

I watched like 5 minutes of someone playing the Japanese character and her voice lines sound like they came out of google translate.

 

[bionicman]

i've played it a bit, it's not bad. Snappy, nice design by valve as usual but I'm not into mobas. Also, the gameplay reminds me a bit of star wars battlefront.

 

[abija]

I honestly can't see this game working as a FPS while maintaining the core moba-like element in the game.

On a moba game with multiple heroes, skills and active items, awareness is really important. Theres already too much stuff going on in mobas, the fact that this is a shooter adds one more layer of complexity in the game.

Being a TPS makes it easier to have spatial awareness and read your surrounds for enemy heroes, spells and active items. But it still is rather overwhelming at times to understand what the fuck is happening (specially for new players).

I cant imagine the game as a FPS, it would make the game even harder and overwhelming. I know FPS hero shooters exists, but none use the dota-like moba element to it like this game does (so they have one less layer to add to complexity).

What spatial awareness? The camera is too zoomed in to get any real benefit. Meanwhile you loose screen estate, a lot of info in front of you and your brain is fucked by the distorted fov and the model moving left of the crosshair.
Sound information is also either wierd or wrong, depending if sounds are positioned according to model or camera. In plenty fps (including CS from Valve) you can shoot based on sound. That's more spatial information than this game will ever hope to provide.

Just doing sound right and allowing customizable fov would solve any awareness issue in first person.

 

[PlayerEmers]

What spatial awareness? The camera is too zoomed in to get any real benefit. Meanwhile you loose screen estate, a lot of info in front of you and your brain is fucked by the distorted fov and the model moving left of the crosshair.
Sound information is also either wierd or wrong, depending if sounds are positioned according to model or camera. In plenty fps (including CS from Valve) you can shoot based on sound. That's more spatial information than this game will ever hope to provide.

Just doing sound right and allowing customizable fov would solve any awareness issue in first person.

So you are saying the camera is too zoomed in while saying FPS would work better for this game? If thats the case, I find this quite funny.
No FOV settings (which I bet they will implement for this game in the future) and sound (which deadlock does just like CS) would make FPS a good fit for deadlock. Valve would have to dumb down the moba element of the game or even cut it down entirely for FPS to be a good fit. Thats the sole reasson why FPS would not work well: the moba element. (which dare I say is the at least 70% of the reason why the game is doing good)

 

[abija]

Yes because atm you see less than in a fps. It's atrocious. You see a bit behind and to the sides and a LOT less in front. Reading trajectories is fucked up, dodging stuff is even more fucked up because of where the character is positioned.
They wouldn't have to dumb down any element because the current view is inferior to FPS in most situations.

The only reason for this attrocity I can think of is that they don't want to separate pc players from consoles.

 

[PlayerEmers]

Yes because atm you see less than in a fps. It's atrocious. You see a bit behind and to the sides and a LOT less in front. Reading trajectories is fucked up, dodging stuff is even more fucked up because of where the character is positioned.
They wouldn't have to dumb down any element because the current view is inferior to FPS in most situations.

The only reason for this attrocity I can think of is that they don't want to separate pc players from consoles.

im not sure if they want to aim for a console release but we will see... when was the last time valve released a console game? csgo?

 

[Hammer Of The Heretics]

...some shitty new IP that looks like dishonored without whales?

An online multiplayer game without whales is doomed to fail. The business model just doesn't work.

 

[Morgoth]

It only looked slightly less retarded than Deadlock.

 

[whydoibother]

shitty new IP that looks like dishonored without whales

This looks nothing like Dishonored, and you must not have played either game to claim it does.
Deadlock is Overwatch, but with a more retro-futrist aesthetic and a visual novel instead of cinematic clips to explain its lore.
"DOTA2 shooter" is a much more apt comparison, mechanically and even visually, than fucking Dishonored.

 

[Maxie]

I played two matches tbh either I'm too old or it's not that appealing

 

[Reever]

Also not my cup of tea, though I usually enjoy this kind of aesthetic (not the character design, mind you). I do respect them for having ~90k players each day and yet not one way to actually spend money on this game. I know it's basically bankrolled by steam as a platform but it is something you don't see every day.

 

[ferratilis]

All the info you need about this game:

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Game has 100k concurrent players, if you expect the game to fail because woke or something like Concord, it won't

 

[abija]

People need to play and buy shit.

 

[Morenatsu.]

1v1 me in dedloque u boobz

 

[Butter]

This looks awful. People are machine gunning each other for 5 seconds and nobody dies.

 

[The Decline]

Competitive online gamers have always been decline enablers.

 

[Morenatsu.]

I'm starting to think the Codex is populated entirely by people who don't actually play games.

 

[Caim]

I'm starting to think the Codex is populated entirely by people who don't actually play games.

If a game isn't old enough that it starts to worry about hitting the wall we on the Codex are not interested in it.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

This looks awful. People are machine gunning each other for 5 seconds and nobody dies.

this is more of an MOBA than shooter

 

[Butter]

This looks awful. People are machine gunning each other for 5 seconds and nobody dies.

this is more of an MOBA than shooter

It looks like it's trying to be DotA + TF2, but worse than either. Valve probably shouldn't cannibalize their own products.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

This looks awful. People are machine gunning each other for 5 seconds and nobody dies.

this is more of an MOBA than shooter

It looks like it's trying to be DotA + TF2, but worse than either. Valve probably shouldn't cannibalize their own products.

Dota2 maybe but TF2 is deader than dead, if they can get people to actively play this then it's a postive

Dota2 is pretty much plateued already with no growth outside of Russia and South America. It's dead in US, dying in China, SEA, EU.

This game exist to capture people who mainly play Hero Shooter genre but they are giving a MOBA twist

 

[PlayerEmers]

All the info you need about this game:

I'm yet to see any real connection between those guys and valve (game credits or direct mentions from valve)

Think what you will but in my opnion, the most likely explanation for this is because SB worked with many games/devs that have valve as a partner (aka they sell games on Steam) and/or they worked with third party people that organizes steam sales (sales like black voices in gaming, season of pride and antrho festival). Those sales are custom made by a third-party, valve just gives them the platform to organize their own events/sales.

The type of insuferable people that support SB despise/screech at valve:
-like some ex-valve devs:

-and retarded gaming "journalists" (and their friends) like this guy on youtube screeching that valve is too white and too male:
(invidious instance of the video to not give him clicks: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s9aCwCKgkLo )


So no, I dont think valve worked with them directly. Anyone can claim valve is their partner/client or whatever if you sell your shit on steam lol.