[BENCHMARK] Linux run games faster than M$ spyware/bloatware.

[Necrensha]

 

[Melcar]

Why are you people still using Windows? Unless it's a 100% work machine (and your job is locked to Windows only solutions) I see no need to suffer this shit.

 

[Cryomancer]

Why are you people still using Windows?

Many reasons :

1. Believe that Linux is too complicated
2. Only want to play Electronic Farts multiplayer games
3. Can't run some industry standards apps that needs for work mainly from Adobe and Autodesk in Linux, and Wine is not reliable enough.
4. Habit

According to steam, even after steam deck and huge investments in proton to make gaming in Linux exponentially easier and better, we are still in 2% mark.

 

[Blutwurstritter]

Why are you people still using Windows? Unless it's a 100% work machine (and your job is locked to Windows only solutions) I see no need to suffer this shit.

It is convenient. I use Linux(Debian), macOS and Windows at work. Linux is good for data wrangling, working with clusters, and servers, but when I come home I just want to click things and have them up and running. I haven't really kept up with developments on gaming support for Linux but the last time I tried, over a decade ago, it was a hassle and half the things I wanted to play simply didn't work or needed hours to days of fiddling. I also detest Valve, so I'm certainly not touching any of their shit. Nowadays I run a dual boot at home, but most of the time I'm on Windows. I usually start up Linux only if I have to login into our servers to check up on work from home.

 

[Cryomancer]

it was a hassle and half the things I wanted to play simply didn't work or needed hours to days of fiddling

When I first started using Linux in Debian 6 times, was a nightmare to game on it. No Vulkan, Wine only supported DX up to 9 and roughly, few install scripts in playOnLinux, no Vulkan, no native Steam client, no proton, no DXVK, installing nVidia driver was a nightmare, emulators where also hard to install. Even older games like Morrowind had some problems and by some unknown reason crashed every time that I used enchantment or alchemy.

Now, things are much, much better. I have M$ spybloatware in a old HD but I will only use it if required by a job/work. I don't boot M$ spybloatware in probably around two years. Recently, I played over a hundred games in Linux, only had trouble in two.
BF1 - After Kernel level anti cheat. I can't play it more in Linux
Lords of The fallen - I had to set proton 8 and run with " VKD3D_SHADER_MODEL=6_6 gamemoderun %command% -noh " in order to make the game run. And to discover that such command command would be necessary, had to read the log generated by proton_log.

But some older games like Jade Empire, runs much easier in Linux than in M$ spybloatware.

 

[Catacombs]

1. Believe that Linux is too complicated
2. Only want to play Electronic Farts multiplayer games
3. Can't run some industry standards apps that needs for work mainly from Adobe and Autodesk in Linux, and Wine is not reliable enough.
4. Habit

Windows: The perfect operating system for the normie majority.

 

[Quatlo]

Why are you people still using Windows? Unless it's a 100% work machine (and your job is locked to Windows only solutions) I see no need to suffer this shit.

It is convenient. I use Linux(Debian), macOS and Windows at work. Linux is good for data wrangling, working with clusters, and servers, but when I come home I just want to click things and have them up and running. I haven't really kept up with developments on gaming support for Linux but the last time I tried, over a decade ago, it was a hassle and half the things I wanted to play simply didn't work or needed hours to days of fiddling. I also detest Valve, so I'm certainly not touching any of their shit. Nowadays I run a dual boot at home, but most of the time I'm on Windows. I usually start up Linux only if I have to login into our servers to check up on work from home.

You are me a year ago. Just download EndeavourOS, its noob arch fork, and use an app called Lutris. Imagine getting all emulators, dosbox, everything into one app. You wanna play old shit from 93? Here you go. You wanna play modern game? Here you go. You have to remember this stuff is going fast, 3 years ago it was unusable for me, now its really nice and since you already use multiple systems I guess you'll manage to waste 5 minutes of your time to google correct shit if that one weird problems sometimes pops. Just like in windows.

 

[Pika-Cthulhu]

Windows, the console of PC

 

[cretin]

1. Believe that Linux is too complicated
2. Only want to play Electronic Farts multiplayer games
3. Can't run some industry standards apps that needs for work mainly from Adobe and Autodesk in Linux, and Wine is not reliable enough.
4. Habit

Windows: The perfect operating system for the normie majority.

But the thing is normies have trouble with windows all the time. Its not as if windows offers a stress free, mostly bug free experience. Shit breaks all the fucking time on windows, theres always some annoying change, theres always the OS doing things you didn't even know you didn't want it to do, and then theres it doing things you've explicitly instructed it NOT to do.

The attachment to windows would be perfectly understandable if it was "it just werks!" experience, but its not. So for normies its actually just laziness. Its not as if normies have tried other OSes earnestly and found them lacking - every normie in the world is using linux or macos on their phones without issue. Clearly there is no problem with setting up linux in such a way to enable even third world mongoloids to run their lives with primitve presses and swipes.

 

[Blutwurstritter]

Why are you people still using Windows? Unless it's a 100% work machine (and your job is locked to Windows only solutions) I see no need to suffer this shit.

It is convenient. I use Linux(Debian), macOS and Windows at work. Linux is good for data wrangling, working with clusters, and servers, but when I come home I just want to click things and have them up and running. I haven't really kept up with developments on gaming support for Linux but the last time I tried, over a decade ago, it was a hassle and half the things I wanted to play simply didn't work or needed hours to days of fiddling. I also detest Valve, so I'm certainly not touching any of their shit. Nowadays I run a dual boot at home, but most of the time I'm on Windows. I usually start up Linux only if I have to login into our servers to check up on work from home.

You are me a year ago. Just download EndeavourOS, its noob arch fork, and use an app called Lutris. Imagine getting all emulators, dosbox, everything into one app. You wanna play old shit from 93? Here you go. You wanna play modern game? Here you go. You have to remember this stuff is going fast, 3 years ago it was unusable for me, now its really nice and since you already use multiple systems I guess you'll manage to waste 5 minutes of your time to google correct shit if that one weird problems sometimes pops. Just like in windows.

I'll probably get a new machine next year, I guess I'll give gaming on Linux another try then. Does this work with games bought on GOG?

 

[Necrensha]

I'll probably get a new machine next year, I guess I'll give gaming on Linux another try then. Does this work with games bought on GOG?

You can install every GOG game with Lutris, it's just a couple of extra clicks.

 

[Quatlo]

Why are you people still using Windows? Unless it's a 100% work machine (and your job is locked to Windows only solutions) I see no need to suffer this shit.

It is convenient. I use Linux(Debian), macOS and Windows at work. Linux is good for data wrangling, working with clusters, and servers, but when I come home I just want to click things and have them up and running. I haven't really kept up with developments on gaming support for Linux but the last time I tried, over a decade ago, it was a hassle and half the things I wanted to play simply didn't work or needed hours to days of fiddling. I also detest Valve, so I'm certainly not touching any of their shit. Nowadays I run a dual boot at home, but most of the time I'm on Windows. I usually start up Linux only if I have to login into our servers to check up on work from home.

You are me a year ago. Just download EndeavourOS, its noob arch fork, and use an app called Lutris. Imagine getting all emulators, dosbox, everything into one app. You wanna play old shit from 93? Here you go. You wanna play modern game? Here you go. You have to remember this stuff is going fast, 3 years ago it was unusable for me, now its really nice and since you already use multiple systems I guess you'll manage to waste 5 minutes of your time to google correct shit if that one weird problems sometimes pops. Just like in windows.

I'll probably get a new machine next year, I guess I'll give gaming on Linux another try then. Does this work with games bought on GOG?

Try getting and AMD gpu if you can, its hassle free on Linux. Nvidia is retardo and doesnt release drivers on Linux, just because.

 

[Catacombs]

I'll probably get a new machine next year, I guess I'll give gaming on Linux another try then. Does this work with games bought on GOG?

You can install every GOG game with Lutris, it's just a couple of extra clicks.

Heroic Games Launcher is also good and has GOG integration.

Shit breaks all the fucking time on windows, theres always some annoying change, theres always the OS doing things you didn't even know you didn't want it to do, and then theres it doing things you've explicitly instructed it NOT to do.

All the more reason to get off Windows. However, as you said, most normies are lazy, and, instead of trying to make things work with Linux, they embrace consoles instead.

 

[JC'sBarber]

Windows is the greatest advertisement for Linux, now that Recall is confirmed to be a permanent part of 11 going forward. Anyone with a backbone would refuse to be spied on openly.

 

[ropetight]

I'll probably get a new machine next year, I guess I'll give gaming on Linux another try then. Does this work with games bought on GOG?

You can install every GOG game with Lutris, it's just a couple of extra clicks.

There is couple of options for launching GOG games on Linux.
I tried before mentioned Lutris (especially good if you want ot run emulators too) and Heroic Launcher, which was initially made for launching Epic Store games.
Installing of games and automating of creating separate Wine prefixes is done ok, but updating games is still a bit sketchy.
Heroic even supports GOG cloud saves.
It mostly works, sometimes GOG changes API's, their CDN is nowhere near Steams, and similar stuff.

Zoom Platform store uses shell script based on Umu(externalized Steam Proton scripts) for installing games, and I think that it could be ported for using with GOG and made less intrusive than GUI's.
It uses database of fixes for Proton for various games.

Things are getting better and better for gaming on Linux.

 

[ropetight]

Try getting and AMD gpu if you can, its hassle free on Linux. Nvidia is retardo and doesnt release drivers on Linux, just because.

nVidia support got much better since advent of SteamOS - drivers are updated regularly.
Running 2080 without any problems on Manjaro.

 

[Semiurge]

honestly think that the next step after recall is that M$ will force a worse version of SmartApp. So they will dictate what you can use in your computer, and they will use it to ban certain sites and certain old school games and try to encourage you to play Forspoken Tier shit.

Nah, that would be like lukewarm water going to °100C instantly, resulting in the frog leaping out of the pot. They'll take their time, so that won't be the next step unless 'the next step' means Windows 30 years from now or so.

Regardless, they still care about Windows gaming and can't afford to alienate the whole base. Otherwise they would've stopped DirectX development ages ago and let Vulkan take over that API monopoly.

 

[Blutwurstritter]

Nvidia does offer a lot of gpu servers for mining and machine learning so there should be drivers for that. I can imagine that these applications have different needs than gaming. But shouldn't Nivdia know how to write drivers for Linux? Do they just neglect the graphical side or is this no longer a problem?

 

[Necrensha]

Nvidia does offer a lot of gpu servers for mining and machine learning so there should be drivers for that. I can imagine that these applications have different needs than gaming. But shouldn't Nivdia know how to write drivers for Linux? Do they just neglect the graphical side or is this no longer a problem?

It's old news, Nvidia drivers stopped giving problems in recent times, as long as you are using the official ones.

 

[Semiurge]

Nvidia does offer a lot of gpu servers for mining and machine learning so there should be drivers for that. I can imagine that these applications have different needs than gaming. But shouldn't Nivdia know how to write drivers for Linux? Do they just neglect the graphical side or is this no longer a problem?

It's the general consensus that the proprietary Nvidia drivers are actually better than the open AMD ones. You even get "a" control panel with them.

It's just that Nvidia will never open-source their most important, secret code unless they lose their monopoly to AMD. AMD would have done the same in Nvidia's position.

 

[Cryomancer]

Nah, that would be like lukewarm water going to °100C instantly, resulting in the frog leaping out of the pot. They'll take their time, so that won't be the next step unless 'the next step' means Windows 30 years from now or so.

Yes, I'm not saying that they would do it tomorrow.

They will slowly boiling the frog. Like they did with online account. Their goal is too have full control over what you do with your computer. They will gradually get more and more control.

 

[OSK]

Nvidia does offer a lot of gpu servers for mining and machine learning so there should be drivers for that. I can imagine that these applications have different needs than gaming. But shouldn't Nivdia know how to write drivers for Linux? Do they just neglect the graphical side or is this no longer a problem?

Nvidia does write drivers for Linux. They work, but they provide a worse experience than using AMD's open source drivers. Since Nvidia's drivers are proprietary, they can't be included in the kernel and they're slower to adopt new Linux features than AMD's open source drivers. There are open source Nvidia drivers, but they're crippled due to decisions made by Nvidia and are worthless for gaming. When I first switched exclusively to Linux years ago I was using an Nvidia card and it was fine. There were some extra hoops to jump through to get things working and I had a bit more stability issues. I've since switched to AMD and I haven't looked back.

That said, Nvidia does seem to be actively trying to make things better on Linux and I'm sure it's better than when I was last using an Nvidia card. I wouldn't go out and buy a new GPU just because you're switching to Linux, but if you're already in the market for one I'd recommend leaning towards AMD.

 

[Melcar]

Nvidia does offer a lot of gpu servers for mining and machine learning so there should be drivers for that. I can imagine that these applications have different needs than gaming. But shouldn't Nivdia know how to write drivers for Linux? Do they just neglect the graphical side or is this no longer a problem?

Nvidia does write drivers for Linux. They work, but they provide a worse experience than using AMD's open source drivers. Since Nvidia's drivers are proprietary, they can't be included in the kernel and they're slower to adopt new Linux features than AMD's open source drivers. There are open source Nvidia drivers, but they're crippled due to decisions made by Nvidia and are worthless for gaming. When I first switched exclusively to Linux years ago I was using an Nvidia card and it was fine. There were some extra hoops to jump through to get things working and I had a bit more stability issues. I've since switched to AMD and I haven't looked back.

That said, Nvidia does seem to be actively trying to make things better on Linux and I'm sure it's better than when I was last using an Nvidia card. I wouldn't go out and buy a new GPU just because you're switching to Linux, but if you're already in the market for one I'd recommend leaning towards AMD.

Just don't get the latest gen, unless you are comfortable with updating kernels and mesa packages often.

 

[Semiurge]

Latest gen should be okayish with anything Arch-based.

 

[Cryomancer]

I'm using nVidia driver 535.183.01 and I don't get people who prefer to keep updating to be free beta testers. I like Debian, they have the mindset : Will the change improve? No? Don't do it. will the change improve? Lets test. Lets test again. Lets test a third time. OK, now we can adopt the new stuff. This is why nothing breaks in my PC and I love it.