[BENCHMARK] Linux run games faster than M$ spyware/bloatware.

[ghardy]

Depends on the distro. Arch broke a lot for me. Almost as much as M$ spybloatware. Now, Debian in other hands, never broke anything.

This has been my experience too.

I've written elsewhere about also having tried OpenSUSE. Boy, that was "fun".

 

[Beans00]

Depends on the distro. Arch broke a lot for me. Almost as much as M$ spybloatware. Now, Debian in other hands, never broke anything.

I'm not a microsoft lover, and they have gotten much worse over the years. They are scumbags but they have the best for OS for day to day use.

My dad was into trying different tech stuff out, so I've had access to linux going back to like red hat 6.0 or something in the late 90s. Say whatever you want about windows, but I've never had any version of windows(even ME, I never used vista) corrupt itself due to grub shitting itself. That's happened to me like a dozen times over the years lol.

Linux is good for servers, it's bad for day to day use. My linux server has ran for like 15 years without crashing.

 

[Cryomancer]

For the steam deck owners here. Is SteamOS more stable than Arch?

but I've never had any version of windows(even ME, I never used vista) corrupt itself due to grub shitting itself.(...)
Linux is good for servers, it's bad for day to day use. My linux server has ran for like 15 years without crashing.

This only happened to me once. I was using Ubuntu at that time and switched to Debian. But Linux in 2024 is not Linux in 2004. I have used Linux since Debian six times. In that time, using Linux on a desktop alone was not viable. I had dual boot and honestly spent more time in M$ spybloatware. Installing the nVidia driver was a nightmare. My printer didn't work. Pulseaudio kept crashing, No native steam client, no proton, no vulkan, or DXVK. Very few game titles on PlayOnLinux.

Nowadays, Linux has improved a lot. Look how DXVK alone improved:



I only have M$ spybloatware installed because maybe someday I will have to work with.NET or port an application that I worked in to M$ spybloatware, but don't log in to it in years and don't miss anything.

And honestly, for running very old games, Linux > Windows. For example, Jade Empire. That game I can't run in Windows, no matter what. In Linux, I click to download and proton works flawlessly. For development, is much easier to install tensorflow for Python in Linux and Linux generates APK in Android Studio in a tiny fraction of the time of M$ spybloatware. Not mentioning emulation. Yuzu never worked for me in M$ spybloatware, in Linux, Yuzu runs flawlessly.

I'm not saying that Linux is the perfect OS if you want to run Destiny 2, LoL and BF5. But for me, is the best OS and I hope that will become even better in future.

 

[ropetight]

I'm running 3 year old installation of Manjaro test branch.
It got broken many times - and fixed by simply restoring Timeshift snapshot.
Be it from GRUB menu, be it from bootable USB.

So, things changed for the better in that regard - it is still not OS you would install to your relatives if you are not willing to tinker with it, but it is fairly usable on daily basis.
I haven't dabbled in the immutable distributions that are running everything on Flatpak and containers, but they are supposed to get you very stable system.
I have performance bias against virtualization.

 

[Semiurge]

Depends on the distro. Arch broke a lot for me. Almost as much as M$ spybloatware. Now, Debian in other hands, never broke anything.

I'm not a microsoft lover, and they have gotten much worse over the years. They are scumbags but they have the best for OS for day to day use.

My dad was into trying different tech stuff out, so I've had access to linux going back to like red hat 6.0 or something in the late 90s. Say whatever you want about windows, but I've never had any version of windows(even ME, I never used vista) corrupt itself due to grub shitting itself. That's happened to me like a dozen times over the years lol.

Linux is good for servers, it's bad for day to day use. My linux server has ran for like 15 years without crashing.

Grub. Always Grub. There's zero reasons to not switch to system-d boot unless you're running an antique system, or a distro that still doesn't support Grub alternatives properly (Debian).

 

[Inec0rn]

Still the complaints are not the OS's problem. Things breaking is a lack of understanding of underlying components that make up the distro of choice you have selected. Some distro's are geared to "be more reliable" because most all installable software is offered as pre-compiled binaries via the distro's stock repository, that and there is a default set of packages installed out of the box that get vetted by the maintainers. At the end of the day these these are the main things that differ distro to distro, its just a different set of opinionated packages installed out of the box + a package manager.

Arch is a fantastic OS because you don't get much opinionated bloat installed out of the box, but to use it proficiently the user is expected:

- To understand how a bootloader works.
- Understand how to compile software (because the AUR provides a massive community driven repository and software installed via the AUR is generally compiled locally on install).
- Know how to compile applications as these can break when underlying libraries of the OS are updated if these apps depend on them. 98% of cases of ItS BrOkEn is because an app you've installed via AUR or git requires re-compiling -> because you have updated the libraries it depends on (This is standard common knowledge software dev).
- Know what systemd is and this is now universal across all linux distro's.
- Have a half decent understanding of file-systems, disk partitions, LVM etc.
- Bonus points you should know how to debug problems, `journal-ctl -xe`, `dmesg`, `lsblk`, `lsusb`, lspci etc.
- knowing initramfs (arch only) or dracut (other distros + future), is also useful if you want to do secureboot, tpm, encrypt disks etc.

if you know the above, you a) shouldn't be breaking things or if you do b) be able to fix them quickly. I hate bloatware with a passion and some Linux distro's are also imo bloated, why use a separate network manager, or cron, or a dhcp client stack, or grub when systemd does all of this and is installed out of the box anyway?

 

[Nutmeg]

Know what systemd is and this is now universal across all linux distro's.

Garbage

dracut

Garbage

Arch used to be my distro of choice, but since the systemd cancer metastasized, oh almost 10 years ago now, I've been using AntiX instead.

 

[Inec0rn]

[edit] use whatever you want, still if you're a beginner you are almost guaranteed to be using a distro that uses the systemd init system.

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and btw agree systemd is an all encompassing non-unix abomination, but it works, gets continual development, and it's used across every distro with any reasonable user-base. If you're a beginner its worth understanding how it works.

 

[JC'sBarber]

This video seems to show the RX 7900 XTX performing worse than Windows 11 on some games.

 

[Cryomancer]

a) shouldn't be breaking things or if you do b) be able to fix them quickly

I don't want to need my computer for yesterday and not be able to use it because things broke. Even if I can learn how to fix it and fix it, the stress alone is not worth. Imagine being near the deadline of a complex project or needing to sell every crypto that I own ASAP and something, somewhere breaking. I don't want such unnecessary stress. If I wanted it, I would be using M$ spybloatware. M$ don't care about stability and things working and push broken updates that makes stuff stop working almost daily.

In the year that I used Arch, I had to fix broken stuff almost every week. Nothing ever broke for me in my Debian and I'm using it for a very long time. Before "ree you must be a bad user", I'm using a Kernel recompiled and "customized" by myself. I know how to use systemctl, I know how to use bash to automate a lot of stuff.

And is not as if Debian is that bloated either. If you do a minimal installation and don't install everything from KDE for eg, you can have a minimalistic installation.

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Remember when I said that one advantage of Open Software is that if woke BS comes, you can fork it? Godot went full woke and people made "RedotEngine".

 

[gooseman]

And is not as if Debian is that bloated either. If you do a minimal installation and don't install everything from KDE for eg, you can have a minimalistic installation.

The fact it takes 1 tranny drama to destroy a project doesn't sound like an advantage

 

[ropetight]

Remember when I said that one advantage of Open Software is that if woke BS comes, you can fork it? Godot went full woke and people made "RedotEngine".

Those fuckers are really salty.
https://github.com/Redot-Engine/redot-engine/pull/34

 

[gooseman]

And is not as if Debian is that bloated either. If you do a minimal installation and don't install everything from KDE for eg, you can have a minimalistic installation.

The fact it takes 1 tranny drama to destroy a project doesn't sound like an advantage

oops, meant to quote the godot thing
I do hope they succeed, but I've seen stuff like this happen many times and the outcome was never good.

 

[Necrensha]

I've been using Endeavour since February and never crashed once nor did any package break.
Not sure where all the horror stories come from.

 

[ropetight]

I've been using Endeavour since February and never crashed once nor did any package break.
Not sure where all the horror stories come from.

Usually you have couple of apps that are using older dependencies.
Or development stopped, so they can't work on rolling release distibutions anymore.

i.e. I used OpenVPN3 for some work, untill they had problem with newer versions of the d-bus.
Issue was prolonged for months, so I ended having older release VM with openvpn3.
https://github.com/OpenVPN/openvpn3-linux/issues/100

 

[ghardy]

Those fuckers are really salty.
https://github.com/Redot-Engine/redot-engine/pull/34

[sarcasm] And here I was thinking the lih-buh-ruls were the tolerant folk... [/sarcasm]

This was such a stupid thing to do. Especially as it was so ineffectual.

 

[ropetight]

Those fuckers are really salty.
https://github.com/Redot-Engine/redot-engine/pull/34

[sarcasm] And here I was thinking the lih-buh-ruls were the tolerant folk... [/sarcasm]

This was such a stupid thing to do. Especially as it was so ineffectual.

As if someones butthurt and saying things that sounded smart in their brains as - "removing woke content for you chuds by deleting whole repo hurrr hurrr hurrr" will do anything.
It seems like they just wanted to argue on the pull request comments, because it is hard to imagine someone being so delusional and out of touch...
Then again, it is woke activists.

 

[ghardy]

More info on the Valve (Steam) collab with Arch Linux and potential future hardware support

[Emphasis added]

...

After an interview recently from the A1RM4X YouTube channel with an Arch Linux developer, Antiz, they took to Reddit to explain things a little bit further to help people understand what's happening. Here's an excerpt:

Basically, the way packages are currently built / managed still requires a few manual interventions from Package Maintainers (e.g. triggering the build itself and signing the built packages afterwards). As of now, supporting multiple architectures would mean multiplying those manual steps by the number of supported / targeted architectures. With the current number of packages compared to the current number of (volunteers) Package Maintainers maintaining them, Arch is not able to handle the extra amount of effort that it would imply.
A central build service and a central secure signing enclave (the two projects concerned by that Valve "sponsoring") would streamline the overall process by allowing automated build and signing for packages without requiring any manual steps / interventions from Package Maintainers anymore (and it will also allow to increase the security of the process as a side benefit). Only such a streamlined / automated workflow would allow us to start working on supporting multiple architectures without implying to multiply the current amount of required effort.
In other words, those projects are prerequisites to start working on multiple architectures support in a clean & sane way, which is a end goal shared by both Arch and Valve.

So basically, a lot of it is towards supporting multiple architectures. And with the news that Valve are seemingly working on supporting some form of Arm and Android support (likely for a future VR headset), this definitely makes sense. Especially when Valve already use Arch Linux for SteamOS on the Steam Deck, it seems increasingly likely that Valve will use an Arch Linux base for what comes next.

...

Check out the full interview on the A1RM4X YouTube channel with the Arch Linux developer Antiz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB62zhzGV1A

 

[Cryomancer]

Another benchmark. This time with emulation.

As you can see, Linux is better for emulation.

 

[Necrensha]

Good news, everyone!

 

[ghardy]

A Director called Holly Million couldn't make you money? So where's it been going?

"... a bold five-year strategic plan for the Foundation, securing two important fiscal sponsorship agreements with GIMP and Black Python Devs, writing our first funding proposal that will now enable the Foundation to apply for more grants, vastly improving our financial operations, and implementing a break-even budget to preserve our financial reserves."

Yes, well...

 

[gooseman]

Holly Million the GNOME shaman... didn't know GNOME foundation was an RPG.

 

[ds]

Good news, everyone!

The comments have some gold in there:

The [gnome foundation] will be quick to tell you that he was attacked, but never why.

When shaman failed, a stronger magician is required. A Grand Wizard might be able to fix it.

 

[Necrensha]

The comments have some gold in there:

The [gnome foundation] will be quick to tell you that he was attacked, but never why.

When shaman failed, a stronger magician is required. A Grand Wizard might be able to fix it.

Use case of Youtube comments?

 

[Cryomancer]

M$ making their worst spyware mandatory.

Turns out you won't be able to uninstall Windows 11's Recall feature after all

Microsoft senior product manager Brandon LeBlanc told The Verge that the company is "aware of an issue where Recall is incorrectly listed as an option under the ‘Turn Windows features on or off’ dialog in Control Panel. This will be fixed in an upcoming update.”

https://www.windowscentral.com/soft...ninstall-windows-11s-recall-feature-after-all

I honestly think that the next step after recall is that M$ will force a worse version of SmartApp. So they will dictate what you can use in your computer, and they will use it to ban certain sites and certain old school games and try to encourage you to play Forspoken Tier shit.