[BENCHMARK] Linux run games faster than M$ spyware/bloatware.

[gooseman]

Valve collab with arch
Why does it take a megacorp to step in and make linux good? Like how it was with proton. Is it really just down to funding, or poor management is the problem?

 

[cioran]

Valve collab with arch
Why does it take a megacorp to step in and make linux good? Like how it was with proton.

Because "moneys"

 

[ghardy]

Why does it take a megacorp to step in and make linux good? Like how it was with proton. Is it really just down to funding, or poor management is the problem?

Most of the development work falls into different areas:

• Red Hat and SUSE and Canonical for enterprise
• Valve and Intel and AMD for games

Most other work is left to the winds. People do whatever they want to do, whenever they feel like doing it.

Funding won't help, as large portions would be siphoned off by race hustlers and the alphabet mafia.

Like how you can't give money to Mozilla to improve Firefox; they'll take it and give their CEO raises or waste spend it on outreach.

Or, you can't give money to Gnome to burn and rebuild fix the desktop; they'll hire shamans and new-agey bullshitters instead of driving software development.

 

[Necrensha]

Valve collab with arch
Why does it take a megacorp to step in and make linux good? Like how it was with proton. Is it really just down to funding, or poor management is the problem?

Because the community will always default to self-sabotage and endless discussions about what they should be doing, what should be included in the next update and so on.
The Wayland project spent literally YEARS arguing about window decorations rather than doing any progress, fucking Gaben had to step in again and activate frog protocols a few days ago to escape the endless loop.
Also, all of what ghardy pointed out.
Many people, even those who work for free, become 5 times more efficient if there is somebody pointing at the correct direction rather than leaving it up to them.

 

[gooseman]

That about aligns with my perception
FOSS friends need juche

 

[ropetight]

And it will get better.

Valve (Steam) begin a direct collaboration with Arch Linux

We are excited to announce that Arch Linux is entering into a direct collaboration with Valve. Valve is generously providing backing for two critical projects that will have a huge impact on our distribution: a build service infrastructure and a secure signing enclave. By supporting work on a freelance basis for these topics, Valve enables us to work on them without being limited solely by the free time of our volunteers.

This opportunity allows us to address some of the biggest outstanding challenges we have been facing for a while. The collaboration will speed-up the progress that would otherwise take much longer for us to achieve, and will ultimately unblock us from finally pursuing some of our planned endeavors. We are incredibly grateful for Valve to make this possible and for their explicit commitment to help and support Arch Linux.

These projects will follow our usual development and consensus-building workflows. [RFCs] will be created for any wide-ranging changes. Discussions on this mailing list as well as issue, milestone and epic planning in our GitLab will provide transparency and insight into the work. We believe this collaboration will greatly benefit Arch Linux, and are looking forward to share further development on this mailing list as work progresses.

[RFCs]: https://rfc.archlinux.page/

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/09/valve-steam-begin-a-direct-collaboration-with-arch-linux/

 

[ghardy]

That's mighty fine.

A few years ago, Valve was dabbling with Debian. This direct involvement could have gone so far with that distribution, but for Debian's processes.

 

[Cryomancer]

I use Linux since Debian 6 times(only recently full time Linux user), in the past, people complained that bigcorpos didn't took Linux seriously. Now they complain that bigcorpos take Linux seriously...

 

[ropetight]

That's mighty fine.

A few years ago, Valve was dabbling with Debian. This direct involvement could have gone so far with that distribution, but for Debian's processes.

SteamOS is now based on Arch, since Steam Deck.

SteamOS was originally built as a client for video game streaming over a local network from a gaming PC and was later extended to support some on-device gameplay, with the intent for lightweight, upgradeable PCs, known as Steam Machines, to run SteamOS for game streaming and local play. SteamOS versions 1.0, released in 2013, and 2.0, released in 2015, were based on the Debian distribution of Linux with GNOME desktop.[6] Valve encouraged developers to incorporate Linux compatibility into their releases to better support Linux gaming options, including SteamOS, with mixed success.

In February 2022, Valve released the Steam Deck gaming handheld, running a dramatically updated version of SteamOS, version 3.0, based on the Arch Linux distribution with the KDE Plasma environment pre-installed, as well as Valve's Proton compatibility layer, allowing many games designed for Windows to run natively on SteamOS.[7][8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteamOS

 

[Gerrard]

Valve collab with arch
Why does it take a megacorp to step in and make linux good? Like how it was with proton. Is it really just down to funding, or poor management is the problem?

While autists might be good at writing code, they aren't any good at leading or organizing people.

 

[ghardy]

Hmm. They were running GNOME with Debian, but now run Arch with KDE. Interesting.

 

[Melcar]

Debian got too politicized (it always was but now it's "woke" as well) and I have no doubt Debian's constant pussyfooting on the whole firmware issue also scared them off.
Arch is easier to work with (as an entity) and software packaging is a non issue. Far easier to deal with Arch, which is minuscule compared to Debian. Debian also has "rules" that Valve probably saw as too restrictive for what they wanted to do. Valve probably used Debian first because initially saw the existing infrastructure as helpful and were rather inexperienced with Linux at the time. Now that they have much more experience under them and with more resources they can do whatever they want.

 

[ghardy]

I meant to draw attention to the switch in desktop environments. They could have continued to use GNOME for SteamOS, but they switched. Maybe it had to do with extensions or something.

Your point about Debian's politics is on the mark too.

 

[Melcar]

Could also be due to politics. GNOME is probably even worse than Debian in this regard. Probably a problem arose in communication between them and the GNOME guys. Also probably because GNOME is lagging a bit in Wayland development. KDE Plasma is far more customizable too.

 

[Necrensha]

Gnome has a very long list of incidents and drama related to their devs being uncooperative twats, it's no wonder that Valve dropped them.

 

[ghardy]

Indeed, it is interesting to list the significant number of forks of GNOME (both 2 and 3) and GNOME tech:

• MATE
• Cinnamon
• Ubuntu's GNOME (Wikipedia says it's a modified version)
• Budgie
• Cosmic
• Pantheon

To my knowledge, such schisms don't exist in KDE land.

It is to Valve's credit that they didn't suffer from Sudden Onset NIH Syndrome and declare, "Let's make a new DE!" That would have been a tremendous waste.

 

[Semiurge]

Isn't there Linux in China?

Even North Korea has their own version of Linux.
The point is, that the number of chinese using windows that joined Steam at once was that huge.

Fuck. US dropped the nukes on the wrong country.

 

[ropetight]

Indeed, it is interesting to list the significant number of forks of GNOME (both 2 and 3) and GNOME tech:

• MATE
• Cinnamon
• Ubuntu's GNOME (Wikipedia says it's a modified version)
• Budgie
• Cosmic
• Pantheon

To my knowledge, such schisms don't exist in KDE land.

It is to Valve's credit that they didn't suffer from Sudden Onset NIH Syndrome and declare, "Let's make a new DE!" That would have been a tremendous waste.

KDE was always more feature packed DE than Gnome, which was more often minimalist choice.
So, it was harder to make meaningful fork.

It also visually resembled Windows too much for some people liking.
And there was dispute in the community about recent change in licensing of Qt framework.

Qt is available under both commercial licenses[4] and open-source[12] GPL 2.0, GPL 3.0, and LGPL 3.0 licenses.[5][6]

https://www.reddit.com/r/QtFramework/comments/ptmas9/worrying_about_the_qt_licensing/
TL;DR is that people didn't like that their contributions can be used in non-FOSS applications - if you make contribution to the core, then commercial application or LGPL can use it.

All this made KDE Plasma persona-non-grata on forums couple years ago, some pundits even declared it dead DE.
But now, since version 6 was released, Plasma catched up with the commercial OS features in half a year.
Latest stable version (6.1) introduced HDR and nVidia explicit sync.

Negative is that development is hectic and sometimes some things just start glitching or not working as they supposed to.

This is also connected to the newfound nVidia dedication to make usable Linux drivers (they really didn't gave a fuck about Linux in the past) - which is also probably caused by Valve.
There was no better time to game on Linux than now, and it will get better.

 

[Cryomancer]

It also visually resembled Windows too much for some people liking.

Is M$ spybloatware that copied KDE, not the other way around.

And when M$ tried to make their own UI, they got shit like :

TL;DR is that people didn't like that their contributions can be used in non-FOSS applications - if you make contribution to the core, then commercial application or LGPL can use it.

This and how easy is to make Qt Applications compared to GTK+/GTKmm is why Qt is much more used outside of free software than GTK.

 

[ropetight]

It also visually resembled Windows too much for some people liking.

Is M$ spybloatware that copied KDE, not the other way around.

And when M$ tried to make their own UI, they got shit like :

TL;DR is that people didn't like that their contributions can be used in non-FOSS applications - if you make contribution to the core, then commercial application or LGPL can use it.

This and how easy is to make Qt Applications compared to GTK+/GTKmm is why Qt is much more used outside of free software than GTK.

Sure, there were times when Windows blatantly copied KDE.
But, KDE 1 at first glance resembled Windows 95/98/NT4.0 very much, and I think purists never liked or forgot that.

https://timeline.kde.org/

 

[Beans00]

Linux is also way less stable to use as a desktop.


I run linux on my server, it's rock solid for that, but it's not great to use for day to day use unless you're a turbo autist.

 

[ds]

3.5 was when KDE peaked. Everything afterwards is tainted by non-technical designers reducing UI density, researchers adding pointless bloat and faggots that thought KDE should refer to the community instead of the DE.

 

[Necrensha]

If Gnome is anal about including features, KDE is the complete opposite by just throwing in whatever lands in their hands.

 

[ropetight]

3.5 was when KDE peaked. Everything afterwards is tainted by non-technical designers reducing UI density, researchers adding pointless bloat and faggots that thought KDE should refer to the community instead of the DE.

NEPOMUK, now that is a name I haven't heard in a long time.
All desktops started regressing around smart phones revolution and need for interfaces that can be used with a finger.

At least shortcuts are still alive and well in KDE, half of the new Windows is hardly accessible without pointing device.

 

[Cryomancer]

Linux is also way less stable to use as a desktop.

Depends on the distro. Arch broke a lot for me. Almost as much as M$ spybloatware. Now, Debian in other hands, never broke anything.