Yet Another Morrowind Thread

[rusty_shackleford]

Which one of you guys wrote this back in 02?

IDAStorm btfoing morrowbabies from 20 years in the past.

 

[deuxhero]

Morrowind is now 20 years old in Bethesda's timezone. Wonder what they'll do for the anniversary.

 

[None]

 

[None]

For those of you interested in the modding scene, the Morrowind Modathon just started as of today. There were over 200 entries last year so I suspect we'll see even more. Sort by Popular (30 Days) to see what's trending and noteworthy.

 

[The_Mask]

Most prestigious ladies and gentlemen,

At the cusp of two decades of being introduced to the world of Morrowind, with its delights and horrors, we are now introduced with a most interesting and quite unexpected addition by our very own monocled user David Cernat .

BEHOLD!!!



Darth Roxor or Saint_Proverbius , or even Infinitron if you have the time: perhaps a news highlight is in order... ?

 

[Grimlorn]

 

[Stella Brando]

 

[Lemming42]

I'm playing through all the Elder Scrolls games - including Battlespire and the fantastic Redguard - for the millionth time, and I feel like I enjoy Morrowind less every time I return to it, which isn't the case for the other games in the series. Everything's so static and unreactive, and the quests are almost uniformly straightforward, linear, and conceptually boring. People rightly mock Todd for every other Skyrim quest being ridiculous and melodramatic, but Morrowind has the inverse problem of everything being dull as hell. It creates a sense of place better than any other game in the series, but you can't actually do anything in that place, beyond a set of trivial tasks - mostly fetch quests - given to you by a handful of NPCs. I thought I'd shake things up by killing the proprietor of the House of Earthly Delights, and the dancers just kept dancing as I tore chunks out of their boss. Then one of them told me to talk to her boss if I wanted a job there, with said boss lying dead in front of her. There's not even a token reaction to your actions, like there is in Daggerfall (walk into Mynisera's chamber in Castle Daggerfall and all the guards start massing in on you, for example).

There's like zero reactivity to anything the player does. Big Helende wants me to steal the Dispel Potion recipe. I go to ask the store owner and she says she'll NEVER give her secret potion formula away to anyone! I walk upstairs in full view of her and the guard, open her personal drawers, take the formula, and walk out. The fuck was the point of this quest? You literally can't fail it or influence its outcome in any way. The quest is to go to a shop and walk up the stairs. Same for the grand ebony staff heist, which Helende says is SO DANGEROUS that she CANNOT ASK YOU TO DO IT. Walk to the staff in question - an uneventful trip up Therena's tower - and stand behind the guy. Squat until the hidden marker comes up (I'm like 20 Sneak, so this isn't a high skill check) and then pick up the staff. The dude then turns towards me as I leave to give me a generic greeting, looks at the empty space where his staff once was, and doesn't give a flying fuck. The quest was essentially, again, to go somewhere and pick something up, and can't really be failed.

The Thieves Guild vs Fighter's Guild questline is just crying out for some reactivity but there scarcely is any - steal Sottilde's code book and bring it back to the Fighter's Guild, nobody gives much of a shit. I specifically asked Sottilde about the book, and her dialogue indicated that I'd mentioned I was sent by the Fighter's Guild, as she told me I'd have to choose where my loyalties lie. The book then goes missing one second later as I squat behind her looking like I'm trying to shit. Nobody cares about this or reacts to it afterwards, my standings with the Thieves' Guild and Fighters' Guild are both intact. The Thieves' Guild was going to use the codebook to get an edge on the Camonna Tong, but my theft of it hasn't set them back at all and isn't mentioned again.

It also genuinely is a big step down from Daggerfall in a lot of ways, though a notable step forward in a couple others. The world it creates is fantastic, but it's so empty.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I'm playing through all the Elder Scrolls games - including Battlespire and the fantastic Redguard - for the millionth time, and I feel like I enjoy Morrowind less every time I return to it, which isn't the case for the other games in the series. Everything's so static and unreactive, and the quests are almost uniformly straightforward, linear, and conceptually boring. People rightly mock Todd for every other Skyrim quest being ridiculous and melodramatic, but Morrowind has the inverse problem of everything being dull as hell. It creates a sense of place better than any other game in the series, but you can't actually do anything in that place, beyond a set of trivial tasks - mostly fetch quests - given to you by a handful of NPCs. I thought I'd shake things up by killing the proprietor of the House of Earthly Delights, and the dancers just kept dancing as I tore chunks out of their boss. Then one of them told me to talk to her boss if I wanted a job there, with said boss lying dead in front of her. There's not even a token reaction to your actions, like there is in Daggerfall (walk into Mynisera's chamber in Castle Daggerfall and all the guards start massing in on you, for example).

There's like zero reactivity to anything the player does. Big Helende wants me to steal the Dispel Potion recipe. I go to ask the store owner and she says she'll NEVER give her secret potion formula away to anyone! I walk upstairs in full view of her and the guard, open her personal drawers, take the formula, and walk out. The fuck was the point of this quest? You literally can't fail it or influence its outcome in any way. The quest is to go to a shop and walk up the stairs. Same for the grand ebony staff heist, which Helende says is SO DANGEROUS that she CANNOT ASK YOU TO DO IT. Walk to the staff in question - an uneventful trip up Therena's tower - and stand behind the guy. Squat until the hidden marker comes up (I'm like 20 Sneak, so this isn't a high skill check) and then pick up the staff. The dude then turns towards me as I leave to give me a generic greeting, looks at the empty space where his staff once was, and doesn't give a flying fuck. The quest was essentially, again, to go somewhere and pick something up, and can't really be failed.

The Thieves Guild vs Fighter's Guild questline is just crying out for some reactivity but there scarcely is any - steal Sottilde's code book and bring it back to the Fighter's Guild, nobody gives much of a shit. I specifically asked Sottilde about the book, and her dialogue indicated that I'd mentioned I was sent by the Fighter's Guild, as she told me I'd have to choose where my loyalties lie. The book then goes missing one second later as I squat behind her looking like I'm trying to shit. Nobody cares about this or reacts to it afterwards, my standings with the Thieves' Guild and Fighters' Guild are both intact. The Thieves' Guild was going to use the codebook to get an edge on the Camonna Tong, but my theft of it hasn't set them back at all and isn't mentioned again.

It also genuinely is a big step down from Daggerfall in a lot of ways, though a notable step forward in a couple others. The world it creates is fantastic, but it's so empty.

check out Tamriel Rebuilt

https://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org

There's also the Project Tamriel umbrella group that shares a lot of devs with TR, think it's still in early development tho

https://www.project-tamriel.com/welcome

 

[ERYFKRAD]

fantastic Redguard

That good eh?

 

[Lemming42]

check out Tamriel Rebuilt

Just been reading over the thread and it definitely sounds interesting. I think I played it briefly before and was impressed but didn't get too far. I've lost motivation to continue much further with the vanilla game so I might just jump right into it.

fantastic Redguard

That good eh?

It's absolutely ace, janky as hell but worth a playthrough. Lots of creative puzzles, memorable characters, and it brings the weirdness of TES lore to the forefront even more than Morrowind does. Combat system is insane but not too bad when you get to grips with ti.

 

[Funposter]

>playing the stealth questlines in Morrowind

 

[rusty_shackleford]

fantastic Redguard

That good eh?

N'Gasta! Kvata! Kvakis! ahkstas so novajxletero (oix jhemile) so Ranetauw. Ricevas gxin pagintaj membrauw kaj aliaj individuauw, kiujn iamaniere tusxas so raneta aktivado. En gxi aperas informauw unuavice pri so lokauw so cxiumonataj kunvenauw, sed nature ankoix pri aliaj aktuasoj aktivecauw so societo. Ne malofte enahkstas krome plej diversaspekta materialo eduka oix distra.

So interreta Kvako (retletera kaj verjheauw) ahkstas unufsonke alternativaj kanasouw por distribui so enhavon so papera Kva! Kvak!. Sed alifsonke so enhavauw so diversaj verjheauw antoixvible ne povas kaj ecx ne vus cxiam ahksti centprocente so sama. En malvaste cirkusonta paperfolio ekzemple ebsos publikigi ilustrajxauwn, kiuj pro kopirajtaj kiasouw ne ahkstas uzebsoj en so interreto. Alifsonke so masoltaj kostauw reta distribuo forigas so spacajn limigauwn kaj permahksas pli ampleksan enhavon, por ne paroli pri gxishora aktualeco.

Tiuj cirkonstancauw rahkspeguligxos en so aspekto so Kvakoa, kiu ja cetere servos ankoix kiel gxeneraso retejo so ranetauw.

 

[Brancaleone]

fantastic Redguard

That good eh?

N'Gasta! Kvata! Kvakis! ahkstas so novajxletero (oix jhemile) so Ranetauw. Ricevas gxin pagintaj membrauw kaj aliaj individuauw, kiujn iamaniere tusxas so raneta aktivado. En gxi aperas informauw unuavice pri so lokauw so cxiumonataj kunvenauw, sed nature ankoix pri aliaj aktuasoj aktivecauw so societo. Ne malofte enahkstas krome plej diversaspekta materialo eduka oix distra.

So interreta Kvako (retletera kaj verjheauw) ahkstas unufsonke alternativaj kanasouw por distribui so enhavon so papera Kva! Kvak!. Sed alifsonke so enhavauw so diversaj verjheauw antoixvible ne povas kaj ecx ne vus cxiam ahksti centprocente so sama. En malvaste cirkusonta paperfolio ekzemple ebsos publikigi ilustrajxauwn, kiuj pro kopirajtaj kiasouw ne ahkstas uzebsoj en so interreto. Alifsonke so masoltaj kostauw reta distribuo forigas so spacajn limigauwn kaj permahksas pli ampleksan enhavon, por ne paroli pri gxishora aktualeco.

Tiuj cirkonstancauw rahkspeguligxos en so aspekto so Kvakoa, kiu ja cetere servos ankoix kiel gxeneraso retejo so ranetauw.

Gratulon pro malkovro de Google Translate!

 

[Don Peste]

Sigourn​

After 4+ years of fucking around with modlists again and again and again have you finally claudicated and conceded that rfuzzo's Morrowind++ guide is the definitive "lore-friendly, vanilla-style" modding guide?

 

[Sonic Titan]

With the release of the Daggerfall Unity “GOG Cut”, I’ve got the bug to reinstall Morrowind and mod he hell out of it. What is the TLDR of OpenMW vs. MGEXE?

 

[Sigourn]

Sigourn​

After 4+ years of fucking around with modlists again and again and again have you finally claudicated and conceded that rfuzzo's Morrowind++ guide is the definitive "lore-friendly, vanilla-style" modding guide?

No way lmao.
My guide is better IMO, the thing is that I'm not playing Morrowind anymore and I thought people would like to have a setup dedicated only to vanilla Morrowind without dumb city overhauls.

Sonic Titan Use OpenMW if you 1) Can't play Morrowind otherwise 2) Aren't going to use many mods.
Else, go for normal Morrowind as MWSE (which comes with MGE XE) is required by any modern mod worth its salt.

 

[deuxhero]

With the release of the Daggerfall Unity “GOG Cut”, I’ve got the bug to reinstall Morrowind and mod he hell out of it. What is the TLDR of OpenMW vs. MGEXE?

Literally the only reason to use MGEXE over OpenMW at this point is MWSE mod compatibility. The critical ones have been ported to OpenMW with cleaner implementation anyways.

On the other side, OpenMW is nearly a requirement for one of the biggest must play mods in Morrowind, Skyrim: Home of the Nords (and will be for sister project Province Cyrodill too when that's beyond demo stats in a year+) and an actual requirement for Starwind (A Star Wars themed total conversion). It's also remarkably stable and better running.

 

[Sonic Titan]

Yeah I’ve heard about the stability of OpenMW over MGE. That’s a big selling point to me.

Does OpenMW miss out on many large content-adding mods?

 

[Funposter]

The critical ones have been ported to OpenMW with cleaner implementation anyways.

Citation needed

Yeah I’ve heard about the stability of OpenMW over MGE. That’s a big selling point to me.

Does OpenMW miss out on many large content-adding mods?

Depends on your definition of "large". There's content in OAAB mods which requires MWSE-lua although most of it is opt-in, which is to say you can complete all of the core content without it. Quite a few modern quest mods such as Vaermina's Quest, Pimp my Shrine and Demon of Knowledge all require MWSE, so it's worth it if you enjoy Daedra-related content. Also Glow in the Dahrk doesn't support interior sunrays yet which is a very cool feature.

 

[NeoKino]

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Modlist I'm testing, honestly going to trim it down For My STEP like Guide and maybe eventual wabbajack.

 

[Funposter]

LGNPC sucks ass (maybe you can keep Pax Redoran but even that is dated tbh), Rise of House Telvanni is awful and if you want a revamp of Telvanni content I would simply recommend getting OAAB Tel Mora and Grazelands, especially since you have OAAB Data in there to use with BCOM. I also wouldn't really bother using the official plugins unless you have some reason for them or dependency. Siege at Firemoth, for instance, is not fun at all and really serves more as an example of what prospective modders could do with the Construction Set. You can just delete XE Sky Variations too.

 

[Üstad]

Morrowind or was it just OpenMW?? had really unoptimized assets and low use of GPU, has it fixed yet?

 

[luj1]

I’ve heard about the stability of OpenMW over MGE.

you've heard some bull shit

MCP + MWSE runs faster than OpenMW

Even for crap PCs its better cuz OpenMW has higher system reqs

 

[Barbie]

Morrowind or was it just OpenMW?? had really unoptimized assets and low use of GPU, has it fixed yet?

I have a 5950x and a 3080 Ti and heavily modded openmw does drop down to 30-50fps in Balmora. It does at times utilitize a lot of the gpu. I have about 250-300 mods running at 1440p. I have never had a single crash on it during 70h+ of gameplay. I have yet to encounter a mod I wanted that wasn't openmw compatible. Very similar mod load on vanilla engine, and it would drop to a minimum of 40fps, but I got crashes every few hours. If your mod load supports openmw and you have good hardware, It is incredibly stable and I personally prefer the stability over the perks of vanilla engine build. At this point I think the choice is based on what tradeoff you are more willing to work with.