What PC Controller Isn't Shit These Days?

[JarlFrank]

The mouse and the keyboard.

Sometimes you just need analog controls though. Some games just suck with a mouse too. I tried to play Star Wars Squadrons for the first time the other day and I made it about 10 minutes before I said "fuck this" and bought a HOTAS

Joystick for flight sims.

M&KB for everything else.

 

[Cromwell]

8 bit do Pro great stuff.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Hot take: people who think KB&M is better at everything just suck at using the controller.

Change my mind.

 

[Fargus]

Controllers are for fags.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

For anything to do with driving i want analog steering and ideally throttle and brake control.
Twin stick shooters are playable with mouse and keyboard, but then you have to keep track of the cursor position along with your character's position, rather than just pointing the joystick where you want bullets to go, which causes problems.
Games designed for consoles, like monster hunter, play a lot better with a controller. Plus anything to do with console emulation.

Mouse and Keyboard are better for FPS, isometric anything, sim/management type games, really most PC stuff is better with a mouse and keyboard. But not all of it.

 

[Gregz]

Xbox 360 Wireless Controller

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Xbox 360 Wireless Controller

Good luck playing tekken with that. Good joystick and buttons but the d pad is just awful. You don't need precision d pad inputs for most games, but when you do, you really need it.

 

[GhostCow]

Keyboard is actually the best way to play fighting games. At least for me. Way better than a gamepad and I can't play with a stick at all

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Keyboard is actually the best way to play fighting games. At least for me. Way better than a gamepad and I can't play with a stick at all

I could see that if you always played that way. But all my muscle memory is with a dpad. I agree, fighting games with a stick are terrible. It's the same problem as with the sloppy d-pads, only 10x worse. Although somehow the first soul caliber seemed to somehow work ok with the joystick...

 

[deuxhero]

8 bit do Pro great stuff.

Pro 2 is what I wound up getting. Works great so far with a good d-pad. Will have to get back to everyone on long-term durability though.

 

[Ladonna]

I don't use a controller for anything, but I got the kids a couple of the Logitech 310's and they are happy with them.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

idk how people use those massive xbox controllers, I hate them

 

[Humbaba]

Keyboard is actually the best way to play fighting games. At least for me. Way better than a gamepad and I can't play with a stick at all

Not to mention that those fucking sticks are unreasonably expensive for being 80's tier technological hardware. Only drawback is that you can't plug in keyboards into consoles.

 

[ferratilis]

idk how people use those massive xbox controllers, I hate them

Are you a midget? The Xbox controller is on the smaller side, my hands get cramped after longer sessions.

Although, controllers have been getting smaller and smaller over the years, maybe you're referring to 360 controller?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Although, controllers have been getting smaller and smaller over the years, maybe you're referring to 360 controller?

I'm referring to this thing, the only xbox controller I've ever seen

 

[ferratilis]

They've gotten significantly smaller since then. Microsoft tried to get into the Asian market with OG Xbox, and one of the biggest hurdles was the size of the controller, so they redesigned it. That redesign was the basis for modern Xbox controller, and they've been getting smaller ever since.

 

[GhostCow]

Keyboard is actually the best way to play fighting games. At least for me. Way better than a gamepad and I can't play with a stick at all

Not to mention that those fucking sticks are unreasonably expensive for being 80's tier technological hardware. Only drawback is that you can't plug in keyboards into consoles.

There is actually something you can buy that's built like a stick but has buttons instead of a stick. It doesn't work for me for two reasons though.

1) the movement buttons are all in a row instead of a wasd like setup
2) I play using the arrow keys for movement and asdzxc for attacks, which I guess is left handed. They don't make a left handed version.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Although, controllers have been getting smaller and smaller over the years, maybe you're referring to 360 controller?

I'm referring to this thing, the only xbox controller I've ever seen

Haha, that thing was so ridiculous. Nobody with normal sized hands could hit those black and white buttons without moving their whole hand.

But yeah they've gotten smaller and more reasonable since then, and ditched the black and white buttons for shoulder buttons (or bumpers as they call them in ye moderne tymes.)

 

[aweigh]

Dualshock 4 I was using for less than 2 years now won't stay connected (gains/loses connection repeatedly every second unless left on perfectly flat surface, no it's not the cable), and fuck if I'm going to give money to modern Soyny for a replacement. Any suggestions?

I use a Razer Wolverine Ultimate and love it. Feels orgasmic to use for playing vidya. Ebonsword already posted pics above and I also love and use the additional Top Buttons as the LS and RS click-in buttons.

That thing is the best controller I've ever used, and the additional buttons are incredibly useful when combined with Input/Rebinding software like ReWASD (or Steam Input).

Simple tricks one can do with software is mixing and matching controller inputs with the keyboard hotkeys to create a perfect control scheme, for example in some games I put 1-4 alphanumeric keys on the D-PAD for quick weapon access, and then bind the keyboard arrow key inputs as 'on release of button' inputs using ReWASD so that way I retain menu management inside menus, since in most games the arrow keys replace the D-PAD inputs when inside a menu.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Dualshock 4 I was using for less than 2 years now won't stay connected (gains/loses connection repeatedly every second unless left on perfectly flat surface, no it's not the cable), and fuck if I'm going to give money to modern Soyny for a replacement. Any suggestions?

I use a Razer Wolverine Ultimate and love it. Feels orgasmic to use for playing vidya. Ebonsword already posted pics above and I also love and use the additional Top Buttons as the LS and RS click-in buttons.

That thing is the best controller I've ever used, and the additional buttons are incredibly useful when combined with Input/Rebinding software like ReWASD (or Steam Input).

Simple tricks one can do with software is mixing and matching controller inputs with the keyboard hotkeys to create a perfect control scheme, for example in some games I put 1-4 alphanumeric keys on the D-PAD for quick weapon access, and then bind the keyboard arrow key inputs as 'on release of button' inputs using ReWASD so that way I retain menu management inside menus, since in most games the arrow keys replace the D-PAD inputs when inside a menu.

So it's a little over 100 bux, looking on the internets. How long have you had it? I could justify spending that on a controller if it were going to stay in good shape for a few years, I feel like a button or joystick or trigger always ends up worn out on me after a little while, but I can justify that if I'm just buying 30 dollar controllers.

 

[aweigh]

Dualshock 4 I was using for less than 2 years now won't stay connected (gains/loses connection repeatedly every second unless left on perfectly flat surface, no it's not the cable), and fuck if I'm going to give money to modern Soyny for a replacement. Any suggestions?

I use a Razer Wolverine Ultimate and love it. Feels orgasmic to use for playing vidya. Ebonsword already posted pics above and I also love and use the additional Top Buttons as the LS and RS click-in buttons.

That thing is the best controller I've ever used, and the additional buttons are incredibly useful when combined with Input/Rebinding software like ReWASD (or Steam Input).

Simple tricks one can do with software is mixing and matching controller inputs with the keyboard hotkeys to create a perfect control scheme, for example in some games I put 1-4 alphanumeric keys on the D-PAD for quick weapon access, and then bind the keyboard arrow key inputs as 'on release of button' inputs using ReWASD so that way I retain menu management inside menus, since in most games the arrow keys replace the D-PAD inputs when inside a menu.

So it's a little over 100 bux, looking on the internets. How long have you had it? I could justify spending that on a controller if it were going to stay in good shape for a few years, I feel like a button or joystick or trigger always ends up worn out on me after a little while, but I can justify that if I'm just buying 30 dollar controllers.

All controller companies use the same parts and suppliers, including the even more expensive Super Duper Elite controllers like the Microsoft Xbox Elite controllers or those Scuf/Battle Beaver $300 dollar controllers. What this means is that reliability factor is basically the same on all of the big brand name controllers.

I've had a Razer Wolverine Tournament Edition and it lasted me a good 2.5 years before the A button began becoming loose; further inspection opening the controller revealed the little rubber bungie between the button and the mechanical switch (Razer controllers use mechanical switch buttons, one of their best features) tore itself in half for some ungodly reason.
So since that specific rubber part isn't sold (so I could replace it myself), I decided to buy the Razer Wolverine Ultimate, which is the upgrade to the Tournament Edition.

So far I've had it for around 3 months and everything's working perfectly fine, though I did get it an extended warranty just in case. If the A button hadn't gotten fucked I'd still be using my Wolverine T.E., as both are essentially the same except with a different amount of back buttons.

I do like that the Wolverine Ultimate comes with additional analog thumbsticks though, with a Tall thumbstick for use on the right analog which allows for better leverage when aiming and finer control. The mechanical switch face-buttons are the star of the show though, and of course the additiona Top and Back buttons. Once you get used to all of these things it's hard to go back to default controllers.

EDIT: Oh the Razer controllers also have a different tension and feel to their analog sticks which makes them feel a lot better during use than the default ones on a stock Xbox controller; and at least on the Wolverine Ultimate you can also replace the left analog stick with a shorter and wider one that is meant for faster movement, and it has a wider shaft which produces super pleasing movement and even sounds nicer when knocking against the side of the friction ring.

If you do get a Razer controller I recommend getting an extended warranty, but bear in mind I'd recommend this for *any* controller, it isn't an insult to the Razer ones, it's something I consider necessary for any controller. They all source from the same manufacturers so like I said earlier, there is no magical controller that will last longer. They all have the same chances of breaking a button or developing stick drift, doesn't matter how much you paid for it.

EDIT 2: The triggers are also WAY better on the Razer controllers, at least compared to the default ones on stock Xbox controllers. Using the triggers on stock Xbox controllers now feels gross to me. And the Razer ones come with "trigger stops" which optionally allow you to shorten the travel time of the triggers, though I personally don't use that much.

EDIT 3: Oh and just so I don't sound like a Razer marketing plant, I'm planning on buying this one soon:
Flydigi Apex 2. It looks really good, and it also comes with additional top and back buttons AND mechanical switches underneath every button, but additionally it also comes with Gyro (which Razer ones don't have).

 

[Jvegi]

Are modern controllers (ones good for Dark Souls) good for psx games? Is it better to get a retro controller fit for those games rather than a modern one if I'm mostly going to play the old games, or is the modern controller just fine for all purposes?

 

[ferratilis]

I played Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid, Tenchu and others using an Xbox controller and had no problems whatsoever. The only thing you have to get used to is the layout. Or just get a PS4/5 controller, people say it has better D-pad. But both should be just fine tbh. Xbox 360 was the only one with terrible D-pad.

 

[Chinese Jetpilot]

They even have cock precision rings for controller sticks now.

 

[<3sRichardSimmons]

Are modern controllers (ones good for Dark Souls) good for psx games? Is it better to get a retro controller fit for those games rather than a modern one if I'm mostly going to play the old games, or is the modern controller just fine for all purposes?

Modern controllers are almost always preferable (my understanding is that fighting games are the major exception to this rule, but I don't play those). I'm sure as shit not using an N64 controller ever again.