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Wasteland Wasteland 2 Pre-Release Discussion Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

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Stabwound

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If people would stop replying to the gay sex and dress up threads they would GO AWAY. The reason it got to this point is because people took the bait and now we have a back and forth tornado of eye poking and mouth froth. Watch the devs look at this shit and go "herp a derp this sure is controversial, better add it to the game."
 

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That would require some rational thinking from Biodrones though

Yeah. I think I only raged once in there, but I try to provide a well-substantiated argument, or at least what I think is one (I sometimes write these posts at 4 in the morning). Still, some people like this guy are just testing my patience.
 

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You're opposed to 3d graphics too?

Ideally, I'd like the game to be 2D and slanted top down like the original Wasteland, not 3D or isometric. I'm aware I'm in the minority, but I'm glad krellen's fighting the good (and hopeless) fight I don't have the energy to be fighting myself. :p

Well, perspective is a trivial thing, since any proper 3d engine should allow for basically any reasonable camera angle with whatever adjustments you fancy. I'd probably kill myself if I tried to argue about what "top down" truly means, since it's all geometry to me, and everyone uses the wrong terms for everything in these discussion (see the "isometric is not actually isometric" thread).

Anyway, for me the argument in favor of 3D is that of convenience. Inxile definitely has a 3D engine of some sort, either licensed or developed in-house, and they also have proper experience working with it. They have artists used to making models in 3ds max, programmers with intimate knowledge of the source code, and the scripting language known to everyone who needs it. And this is a relatively low-budget project. So it makes more sense for them to use the tools they know, and focus on the meat of the game, as opposed to wasting time and money on learning to work with a new 2D engine.

This is my approach to almost every W2 dilemma. The clamoring for houses, marriage and an option for rtwp combat doesn't so much piss me off because it's retarded, but because it takes precious development time from features which are actually important.
 

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History repeats itself.
One of the reason why Fallout 2 has stupid shit is because iply was listening to their fans from iply forum. And iply forum was full of retards and biodrones.
If Fargo will listen to these morons from W2 forum W2 is lost.

I really want to be wrong though.
 

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If Fargo will listen to these morons from W2 forum W2 is lost.

Like I said, there are plenty of good threads and posts there. Why do you assume Fargo will listen to the morons and not those who provide good input of the kind that inspired this Kickstarter project in the first place?
 

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Seriously... this guy has been waiting 20 years to make this game. Do you really think he's going to let a bunch of moronic fans ruin it? He isn't contractually/legally bound to take ANY feedback at all. The forums are probably just more of a PR move and a 'thanks' to people for giving money.
 

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If Fargo will listen to these morons from W2 forum W2 is lost.

Why do you assume Fargo will listen to the morons and not those who provide good input of the kind that inspired this Kickstarter project in the first place?

Because i afraid that sooner or later these morons will become overwhelming majority. And very vocal majority. This is why i afraid that Fargo will try to cater to them.
 

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likaq said:
Because i afraid that sooner or later these morons will become overwhelming majority. And very vocal majority. This is why i afraid that Fargo will try to cater to them.

So far the only derp threads are the sims thread and the include trannies thread. And its only something like 3-4 people being derpy. I've stopped posting there because, honestly, what's the point. They're already drowning in their own misery
 

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Seriously... this guy has been waiting 20 years to make this game. Do you really think he's going to let a bunch of moronic fans ruin it? He isn't contractually/legally bound to take ANY feedback at all. The forums are probably just more of a PR move and a 'thanks' to people for giving money.

There should be a quest or two in there to troll these people.

That Google Moderator thing is a gold mine, equally both towards incline and decline :D

If anyone feels like voting:


http://goo.gl/mod/DOol


http://goo.gl/mod/UJOo


http://goo.gl/mod/8ySk

/e: Stabwound you worry too much bro, one day you might get a seizure if you continue to walk through life with that negative mindset of yours. Try to ease up and enjoy the beautiful downfall of humankind.

:what:
 

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History repeats itself.
One of the reason why Fallout 2 has stupid shit is because iply was listening to their fans from iply forum. And iply forum was full of retards and biodrones.
If Fargo will listen to these morons from W2 forum W2 is lost.

I really want to be wrong though.
Cool story, since I'm pretty sure Fallout 2 predates Baldur's Gate (the first Bioware RPG)
 

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Brian Fargo said:
Well here is the beauty of fan funding... we don't have to convince some younger RPG player of anything. I am making this game for the wonderful fans who put their money behind us and not some nebulous group of new people. Let's make the game they all expect and let the chips fall where they may. There is just no way I'm going to consider anything that could let down the core.

:bro: :bro: :bro:
 

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I wish the best to Fargo and Inxile really, but i will remain pessimistic until he present design decisions and officially say no to romances, unkillable party members, health regen, trannies and other stupid shit.
 

likaq

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History repeats itself.
One of the reason why Fallout 2 has stupid shit is because iply was listening to their fans from iply forum. And iply forum was full of retards and biodrones.
If Fargo will listen to these morons from W2 forum W2 is lost.

I really want to be wrong though.
Cool story, since I'm pretty sure Fallout 2 predates Baldur's Gate (the first Bioware RPG)

It doesn't matter, biodrones are a certain types of people who exist well before bioware was created. One can argue that biodrone=certain type of retard.
 

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History repeats itself.
One of the reason why Fallout 2 has stupid shit is because iply was listening to their fans from iply forum. And iply forum was full of retards and biodrones.
If Fargo will listen to these morons from W2 forum W2 is lost.

I really want to be wrong though.
Cool story, since I'm pretty sure Fallout 2 predates Baldur's Gate (the first Bioware RPG)

It doesn't matter, biodrones are a certain types of people who exist well before bioware was created. One can argue that biodrone=certain type of retard.
Pretty much. Everyone who's been around iply forums in their glory days would attest to that. Retards and sycophants were the vocal majority.

From a 2003 thread dedicated to Fallout 3 design ideas gathered from the iply forums (god bless Google):

The weapon nut: "I'd also like to see stuff like Halberds, Swords and Shields, Bows and Arrows, maces, pikes, flails, Panzershreks (German Anti-tank weapon from WWII), the MG-32 (German machine gun, akin to the M-60), the entire weapons list from Fallout Tactics, a Musket or other muzzle-loader...."

The pro-boner quest designer: "I don't know, a new type of quest could be something like you where hired for as a hit man to kill a person and bring there head back. So you eventually find the person you where told to kill but you have a choice of either kill the person and return to the man you who hired you with the head or you can talk to the person and find out that they are incredibly sorry and they where going to have some expensive plastic surgery done to alter there face but the person could not afford it. Then the person will ask if you can pay for it and you can either say yes or no. If you say no you suggest that you can go out in the wasteland and find a no good robber or a slaver and kill them then chop off there head and pay the sergeant to manipulate the robbers head to match the persons exactly. Then you can let the person go and you can go collect your reword from the man who hired you."

The rapist: "Oh yeah, and more blood and gore. And throw rape in there too, if at all possible."

The family guy: "If marriage is in F3 I think it should be fleshed out, maybe one good girl/guy, one inbetween, and one slut, with accompanying side quests (Dads sick must go home NOW or help the Bos, Sulik and the wife getting it on, what do I do now, etc...) with the opportunity for the wife/hubby to increase in skill as any other npc..."

The crazy sci-fi guy: "Why not a fusion cell powered vault axe that kinda looks like a light saber (you all know from starwars) but when it pops out from you clicking the switch it comes out about a foot and has the same look as an axe but it is neon green and slices/burns through objects."

The epic guy: "I really enjoy the CTB system of Fallout Tactic, can you apply it for a massive war scenario..? with dozens of people... and tanks.... and vehicle... with some robot and air attack..... it will become very cool...."

The idiot: "fantastic 3D battle animation form 45 degree perspective.... (diablo II) maybe with some bullet time effect.....the PC can have cool evasion move like Neo.... hey a matrix 45 degree RPG..... I think that cool.....dont forget... Metal Gear Solid 45 degree RPG is also cool...."

The Sims guy: "Maybe one or two small islands off the cost where you could either take months swimming to or take a boat or something. Along with this you could maybe go fishing."

The easily amused guy:

"oh yeah. i'd also like to see a return of the "ask about" feature from fallout 1 if its not that much of a problem.
hours i spent typing in foolish things...
me - "say 'i don't know anything about that' if you are stupid... and smell bad."
tandi - "i don't know anything about that"
me - "ahahah... smelly idiot"
tandi - "i don't know anything about that"

The Final Fantasy guy: "giant swords (so large it takes both weapon spaces and reqires 10 str)"

The stronghold guy: "OWN A TOWN
this is my favorite idea you get to a town thats's completely empty
so you can pay your npc's to work or build things and leave them to gain skill points or abilties as you go adventuring , solve your town's problems and lead them into battle against raiders , the enclave ,ect"

Retards... Retards never change...
 

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Hey man, in all seriousness are we gonna see AoD before Oct 2013? Also, what do you think of possibly letting Fargo use your game engine for wasteland 2?
 

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The easily amused guy:

"oh yeah. i'd also like to see a return of the "ask about" feature from fallout 1 if its not that much of a problem.
hours i spent typing in foolish things...
me - "say 'i don't know anything about that' if you are stupid... and smell bad."
tandi - "i don't know anything about that"
me - "ahahah... smelly idiot"
tandi - "i don't know anything about that"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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He spent HOURS doing it.
:retarded:
 

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