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[Sitra Achara]

Don't forget stances - standing, squatting, spinning, etc.

 

[dunno lah]

If you are in the 'middle of firefight' there's really nothing to manage, you just go in your pants if you really can't hold it and focus on staying alive.

A constipation trait might give one interesting combat bonuses though. And what about various types of shit, creating different combat situations? Diarrhea would have a lesser impact on your character's mobility than solids, and a smelly shit might reveal your position while in stealth.

GOTY 2014!

 

[St. Toxic]

GOTY 2014!

The Citizen Kane of shitting.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Apparently it is because they are physically unable to fire their sniper rifles when an enemy is too close, not because firing said sniper rifles would be ineffective.

Verily, it is so. Sniper rifles are heavy and cumbersome - even if you're not dragging a .50cal monster around. It's better to drop the rifle and draw a pistol if an enemy is nearer than 10 yards/meters or so. I'm unsure if they revealed the distance that it's impossible to use a sniper rifle - if it's low enough, I really have no complaints. I find it stupid that JA2 allows you to use long arms against an opponent that is literally standing next to you.

 

[Roguey]

I'm unsure if they revealed the distance that it's impossible to use a sniper rifle - if it's low enough, I really have no complaints.

BN said you can't use a sniper rifle at all against any foe in an adjacent square. Anything farther than that is fine, though there's still an accuracy penalty; in the recent video the sniper had a 10% chance to hit an enemy from a few spaces away and it jumped up to 80% after the character put a bit more distance between them.

 

[GarfunkeL]

That's absolutely perfect then.

 

[Trash]

I guess I'm the only one here who came away utterly unimpressed with that demo. Sure, it is a demo of an unfinished game but it seemed amateurish at best. Stilted and rather juvinile dialogue, levels consisting of convenient corridors and the quests shown seem childish at best. Combine with that an ugly dialogue UI, combat that seems awkward, ugly enemy design that really doesn't capture the feel of the excellent portraits and once again that horrid infinity engine fog that permeates everything. I'm genuinly underwhelmed here.

 

[tuluse]

Yeah man. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE. There's not 6 pages of complaining right behind your post.

 

[Trash]

Mostly filled with silly banter about wether or not the size of a sniper rifle is too big or not. Fuck that. The demo shown really has got a shitload of problems that I don't see them fixing very soon.

 

[Infinitron]

Mostly filled with silly banter about wether or not the size of a sniper rifle is too big or not. Fuck that. The demo shown really has got a shitload of problems that I don't see them fixing very soon.

In that case, look at the other thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...om-demo-video-first-dev-diary-released.85950/

Stilted and rather juvinile dialogue...quests shown seem childish at best...combat that seems awkward

So it's like the games it's inspired by?

 

[Excidium]

Stilted and rather juvinile dialogue...quests shown seem childish at best...combat that seems awkward

So it's like the games it's inspired by?

Yes they should get one of those shiny paper stars kindergaten teachers give kids for good efforts. "You made something with the same level of quality as games from decades ago! Wow! Nice job!"

 

[Infinitron]

Yes they should get one of those shiny paper stars kindergaten teachers give kids for good efforts. "You made something with the same level of quality as games from decades ago! Wow! Nice job!"

This is what many/most Codexers (including myself to an extent) think unironically.

 

[Excidium]

Yes, you people always do an excellent job of crushing my hopes for the genre.

 

[Grunker]

Excidium wants oldschool games to return except he doesn't want them to be oldschool.

I get what you mean bro, but asking for perfection at every turn is asking for bitterness and disappointment.

Wait, I see what you're doing here. Carry on.

 

[tuluse]

Yes, you people always do an excellent job of crushing my hopes for the genre.

Here's how I think of it. These companies (or teams in a company) need to learn how to make CRPGs as good as they once were before they can actually move forward and improve on them.

Even so, Wasteland 2 looks like it's improving on Fallout1/2 in a few ways. It just looks like it might be much worse in a few others.

 

[Excidium]

There's enough design inspirations and improved technology to make better things right now. It's just that there's no reason to do better when people just want more of the same. Though I guess there's some examples of improvements, like AoD's reactivity or the importance Sawyer gives to the mechanics (even though I dislike his design philosophy with passion).

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Yes they should get one of those shiny paper stars kindergaten teachers give kids for good efforts. "You made something with the same level of quality as games from decades ago! Wow! Nice job!"

This is what many/most Codexers (including myself to an extent) think unironically.

Yeah, I was just going to say...

I mean, "Hey, at least we TRIED, right?!?!" isn't going to mean a damn thing if the game sucks, but boy is it hard to be mad at dudes for actually trying. And damn if they aren't genuinely trying. That said, this is what makes them failing so goddamn heartbreaking. I keep seeing these updates and wondering to myself "Well, this can't be the way it'll be in the end...hehe, of course..." but now so much time has gone by and I'm wondering "Fuck, do they not have anybody talented at anything working for them?!" And I really, really hope BN is right and I'm wrong. That we're just seeing this tiny, arbitrary glimpse and gee whiz the rest of the game must be better! But my hopes are...well...not crushed, exactly...but they are currently on strike.

 

[Excidium]

Hard to recognize the effort of those that never really tried before kickstarter made it easy for them.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Stilted and rather juvinile dialogue...quests shown seem childish at best...combat that seems awkward

So it's like the games it's inspired by?

But it's not "just like Wasteland!", is it? Once you start making changes to the 'formula', is there a valid reason to keep some elements just because "hey, it's Wasteland!" when the rest of the game (most of the game?) is inspired by other notable games?

If you show the video to someone who doesn't know what this game is, but played all the other RPGs, do you think anyone would say "hey, it's a Wasteland sequel!"?

 

[Infinitron]

But it's not "just like Wasteland!", is it? Once you start making changes to the 'formula', is there a valid reason to keep some elements just because "hey, it's Wasteland!" when the rest of the game (most of the game?) is inspired by other notable games?

If you show the video to someone who doesn't know what this game is, but played all the other RPGs, do you think anyone would say "hey, it's a Wasteland sequel!"?

I wasn't referring to just Wasteland. I meant Wasteland, Fallout 1 and Fallout 2.

Anyway, obviously more people are going to become upset as it sinks in that in the end, this is a shovelware-budget 3D game about post-apocalyptic cops kicking ass in the wasteland. It's not exactly high concept stuff.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Hard to recognize the effort of those that never really tried before kickstarter made it easy for them.

Are you honestly this stupid or just completely oblivious?

 

[Excidium]

Hard to recognize the effort of those that never really tried before kickstarter made it easy for them.

Are you honestly this stupid or just completely oblivious?

Wait, you're one of those that think Fargo is passionate about RPGs or something?

 

[FeelTheRads]

I don't think TwinkieGorilla is talking about Fargo as it's not Fargo who's actually creating the game.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

I don't think TwinkieGorilla is talking about Fargo as it's not Fargo who's actually creating the game.

Well, I'm talking about inXile and developers in general.

Wait, you're one of those that think Fargo is passionate about RPGs or something?

I think he would like to make money, and in doing so, working with something he enjoys rather than something he does not care much about, yes. Most of us would probably say the same. But that's not the point. Let's grab your sentence: "Hard to recognize the effort of those that never really tried before kickstarter made it easy for them."

Yeah. No. "Before Kickstarter made it possible." Period. One thing Fargo isn't lying about is that he was trying to get WL2 made and nobody was interested. Unless you think Jason Anderson being hired years ago to storyboard the game was just for lolz.

P.S. Surf Solar I honestly want to punch your petulant little grandma face every time you brofist somebody being negative (and usually simultaneously unintelligent). Including myself. Jesus, dude. Lighten up for a second.

 

[Excidium]

I don't think TwinkieGorilla is talking about Fargo as it's not Fargo who's actually creating the game.

Well, I'm talking about inXile and developers in general.

Wait, you're one of those that think Fargo is passionate about RPGs or something?

I think he would like to make money, and in doing so, working with something he enjoys rather than something he does not care much about, yes. Most of us would probably say the same. But that's not the point. Let's grab your sentence: "Hard to recognize the effort of those that never really tried before kickstarter made it easy for them."

Yeah. No. "Before Kickstarter made it possible." Period. One thing Fargo isn't lying about is that he was trying to get WL2 made and nobody was interested. Unless you think Jason Anderson being hired years ago to storyboard the game was just for lolz.

Why didn't he fund an RPG out of his own fucking money then, like a lot of people have done or are doing? He certainly could do that comfortably considering how rich he is.