Totally Not Corrupt Professional Objective Gaming Journalism DRAMA

[HiddenX]

Prosper has an RPGWatch account, but if I remember right I was only able to understand his art vision after many beer bottles.
He gave up on his mission to spread his progressive art at the Watch.

 

[sea]

lemme see if i get it straight. gb discovered some news and linked to it with their own flavor text, couchpotato, being a lazy twat, copied their article without marking it as a quote, effectively selling said flavour as his own brainfart, sea got understandably pissed at this and you people think he's trolling?

Just trolling, because sea makes a mountain out of a molehill and makes legal threats to a non-profit site.

RPGWatch

Phenomicus the developer who made SpellForce, and SpellForce 2 has been been closed according to a report on GamesIndustry.biz.
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Now excuse me as I go mourn for a studio that once made games I loved. Damn you EA.

Gamebanshee

The studio that brought us SpellForce, SpellForce 2, Lord of Ultima, and a variety of other strategy/RPG titles and add-ons has officially been closed, according to a report on GamesIndustry.biz. I've always been a fan of Phenomic's work (well, up until EA acquired them), so this is really disappointing - if somewhat expected - news to me:​

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He edited the text. It originally used this identical text (which was obviously copy-pasted):

"The studio that brought us SpellForce, SpellForce 2, Lord of Ultima, and a variety of other strategy/RPG titles and add-ons has officially been closed, according to a report on GamesIndustry.biz."

Then he removed the second sentence and added something like "this is a sad day for RPG fans" which was identical in sentiment but phrased slightly differently.

Infinitron graciously posted a few such older examples he found in the RPGWatch thread. This is not a new thing, but it might be restricted to just Couchpotato (I'm not sure, though I don't really care).

For the record, GB doesn't just load up an RSS and grab stories, much of the time. We're on press lists and get stories submitted to us personally from a wide variety of original sources (like GamesIndustry.biz). We were sent this particular story and press release directly by GamesIndustry.biz. We didn't grab it from another site.

Also, it's not even my original news story guys. I didn't write it. I posted on RPGWatch after discussing it with Buck (the GB site owner) and getting the go-ahead to bring it up with them. He's even more pissed about it than I am because he's noticed it happening for far longer than I have (years).

 

[evdk]

Also, it's not even my original news story guys. I didn't write it. So I'm not exactly sure why people seem to thinkk I'm butthurt.

Projecting.

 

[felipepepe]

So you want "attribution" for this high level of one sentence content journalism, that probably both sides have read on twitter?

I find amazing this argument, if one line is so mediocre, why copy it them?

 

[HiddenX]

Why not?

I can quote you, too - even auto-corrected, without naming you - sky isn't falling ...

I find this argument amazing, if one line is so mediocre, why copy it then ?

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Plane tickets bitch?

No need, they're in the same country.

Still, tradition requires.

Train tickets, then.

 

[Redlands]

He posted here to inform the community. The community has expressed that it mostly doesn't give a crap.

That should settle the matter.

RPG Watch displaying the exact sentiments that allowed Jerry Sandusky to molest little boys and get away with it for so long.

 

[HiddenX]

Hey, you don't attributed Sacred_Path in your quotation, maybe I should go to the police...

 

[dnf]

Hey, you don't attributed Sacred_Path in your quotation, maybe I should go to the police...

I don't think it's the same argument quoting someone without telling who he is and attributing said quote to yourself like RPGwatch did.

 

[SuicideBunny]

Why not?

because.

 

[Zewp]

Why not?

I can quote you, too - even auto-corrected, without naming you - sky isn't falling ...

I find this argument amazing, if one line is so mediocre, why copy it then ?

That's missing the point of the whole thing completely. Congrats. You get to ride the short bus.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

Frankly, this petty small-mindedness is perfectly in line with the Watch's typical behaviour, so it's no surprise they don't care.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

How is it different than what happens thousands and thousands of time all over all mainstream blogs all day? Welcome to the Web 2.0, where the bottom of the barrel sinks ever lower. If you read Kotaku, The Verge, and all the other horrid click baiting sites, and in fact a lot of the old media, you will see that it's all they do, all the time. The same hasty, slavish, unimaginative rewording of one another without any analysis going on. Their douchebag intern bloggers are not paid enough to care, and volunteers are even less inclined to do so.

Game "journalists" are not doing anything than paraphrasing press releases anyway, why is it so special here?

Oh no, someone paraphrased my rehashed paraphrases, and the precious factoids it took me a whole minute to glean off Wikipedia, lawsuit incoming! Isn't it like the pot calling the kettle black? Why are you cut from a different cloth than all the other website fanboys? And don't tell me this isn't what "reporting" is, because I used to contribute to an English amateur news gaming RPG site many years ago, and it's exactly what it was. When I saw it for what it was, on top of the sheer futiility of this "work", and that it was only getting a lot worse, I promptly bailed out.

 

[Ulminati]

Plane tickets bitch?

No need, they're in the same country.

Still, tradition requires.

BICYCLE TICKETS, BITCH!

 

[evdk]

Plane tickets bitch?

No need, they're in the same country.

Still, tradition requires.

BICYCLE TICKETS, BITCH!

Maybe they can have a race instead of a fight.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

Plane tickets bitch?

No need, they're in the same country.

Still, tradition requires.

BICYCLE TICKETS, BITCH!

Maybe they can have a race instead of a fight.

Panzer Race, so German.

 

[sea]

How is it different than what happens thousands and thousands of time all over all mainstream blogs all day? Welcome to the Web 2.0, where the bottom of the barrel sinks ever lower. If you read Kotaku, The Verge, and all the other horrid click baiting sites, and in fact a lot of the old media, you will see that it's all they do, all the time. The same hasty, slavish, unimaginative rewording of one another without any analysis going on. Their douchebag intern bloggers are not paid enough to care, and volunteers are even less inclined to do so.

Game "journalists" are not doing anything than paraphrasing press releases anyway, why is it so special here?

Oh no, someone paraphrased my rehashed paraphrases, and the precious factoids it took me a whole minute to glean off Wikipedia, lawsuit incoming! Isn't it like the pot calling the kettle black? Why are you cut from a different cloth than all the other website fanboys? And don't tell me this isn't what "reporting" is, because I used to contribute to an English amateur news gaming RPG site many years ago, and it's exactly what it was. When I saw it for what it was, on top of the sheer futiility of this "work", and that it was only getting a lot worse, I promptly bailed out.

Are you arguing it's okay to plagiarize because Kotaku does it?

 

[Humanity has risen!]

No, I'm saying that sorry, but it's not like there is much if anything to "plagiarize" to begin with, since game reporters don't create new content at all and don't really add anything new. When you report news you know this is the name of the game. For better or worse, this is the norm in media now.

 

[SuicideBunny]

"it's ok because it's shit anyways" is even more retarded than "it's ok because everybody does it".

 

[Infinitron]

The problem isn't that it's a crime. The problem is that it's extremely lame. Copypasting GameBanshee's two sentence summaries of articles, really? If they can't be bothered to read the news they're posting and comment about them on their own, why not just...not post so much news? There have been times in the past when the Codex had very little newsposting, for instance, and it wasn't a huge disaster.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

Because it's better to create more awareness for this niche interest than say nothing. It might be lame, but really how many ways are there to say the same little factoids and witty comment? If anything GB helps supporting a niche and should take it well that it compels others to use them as an example.

It's not like the time when someone at 1UP plagiarized a long Dead or Alive 4 guide made by a fighting game community by rewording it, it's two lines that are always the same that are added on top of the reworded press release.

 

[tuluse]

The problem isn't that it's a crime. The problem is that it's extremely lame. Copypasting GameBanshee's two sentence summaries of articles, really? If they can't be bothered to read the news they're posting and comment about them on their own, why not just...not post so much news? There have been times in the past when the Codex had very little newsposting, for instance, and it wasn't a huge disaster.

Or just take the extra 3 seconds it requires to post a link and via GameBanshee.

 

[J1M]

Thanks, HiddenX, now I know there is nothing of value to read at RPG Watch because it is run and contributed to by dumbfucks.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

The latest response from Myrthos is more than reasonable and supports what I was trying to say.

No one says that it wasn't proper etiquette, just that it's a bit out of proportion to present paraphrasing of two lines of flavor text as "plagiarism".

 

[mediocrepoet]

sea I think it's kind of funny that this thing spawned pages of crap both here and on the Watch. Yeah, courtesy would have them attribute the lines. But at the same time, talking about journalistic/academic integrity blah blah blah and bringing up thesis papers and essays and shit when what actually happened is that some guy copy-pasted two lines that most people (ok, me) often simply skip over before skimming the body text anyway. Text said you admired the studio that closed down. Watch link said the exact same thing, I suppose. How dare he copy your profound two cents and not link to you? You must have been divinely inspired to come up with such a heart felt wellspring of emotion regarding this article and the masterful artistry with which you turned your word-smithing ways.

I get having your pride hurt or whatever, but meh. I seriously doubt you spent more than about ten seconds coming up with your tiny sentences. Get over it.