Decline Thiaf Pre-Release Thread

[Azazel]

There you have it, folks; uninteresting stealth and stupid AI: http://www.techhive.com/article/203...g-for-diehard-fans-of-the-original-games.html

For a game that’s doing so much technically to bring itself to the modern age, it’s a bit concerning that the same can’t be said for the gameplay. The focus combat and parkour segments are interesting, but the stealth segments feel out of place and ill-constructed. In an age where developers can trust the player to be smarter, it’s weird to see them assuming that the player won’t notice how stupid and predictable the AI can be.

Well, at least someone isn't just sucking Eidos off as hard as they can. Nice to see some honest impressions.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

Though I stated it earlier in this thread, I still think both Thief Gold and Thief 2 are really good games, but neither one is faultless.

Thief Gold fixed many 'wrong' things in Thief 1, then added a few more things. The Thieves's Guild mission is incredibly long-winded, I'll agree. The Mage Towers introduces an interesting faction with interesting dynamics, yet half the level is bland and empty. Song of the Caverns is an awesome level, listening to the former opera director singing to himself like a madman is just awesome. (And yes, it's Stephen Russell.) The Fire Shadows were a "necessary evil" introduced to prevent a permament fail state in two levels. They're horrible, not ONE FM has utilized them since Thief Gold was released. Not one.

 

[DalekFlay]

I personally would've liked them to not touch Garrett at all; do a full reboot. But it is stupid of them to stick to Garrett, though, because it doesn't really bring any benefits, only potential problems.

They likely stuck with Garrett for the same reason they stuck with the Thief IP, brand awareness and the extra publicity that comes from threads exactly like this one. Even if this thread seems resoundingly negative the standard idea in marketing is to get people talking no matter what.

The Eurogamer preview today has me somewhat optimistic again, by the way. It's not going to be Thief 2: 2, but it could still be a good game.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

There you have it, folks; uninteresting stealth and stupid AI: http://www.techhive.com/article/203...g-for-diehard-fans-of-the-original-games.html

For a game that’s doing so much technically to bring itself to the modern age, it’s a bit concerning that the same can’t be said for the gameplay. The focus combat and parkour segments are interesting, but the stealth segments feel out of place and ill-constructed. In an age where developers can trust the player to be smarter, it’s weird to see them assuming that the player won’t notice how stupid and predictable the AI can be.

Well, at least someone isn't just sucking Eidos off as hard as they can. Nice to see some honest impressions.

They're just complaining that light-based stealth is antiquated and being able to kill everyone was awesome in Dishonored, so why can't you do it in Thief? It's your typical retarded consoletard drivel.

 

[Lancehead]

I personally would've liked them to not touch Garrett at all; do a full reboot. But it is stupid of them to stick to Garrett, though, because it doesn't really bring any benefits, only potential problems.

They likely stuck with Garrett for the same reason they stuck with the Thief IP, brand awareness and the extra publicity that comes from threads exactly like this one. Even if this thread seems resoundingly negative the standard idea in marketing is to get people talking no matter what.

The Eurogamer preview today has me somewhat optimistic again, by the way. It's not going to be Thief 2: 2, but it could still be a good game.

I would say the Thief IP and Garrett are very different. Garrett doesn't really have any name recognition outside of the fans of originals. Thief IP also doesn't have that much recognition but marketing it is far easier than Garrett. Because people can relate to a "stealth game", but not so much with its protagonist. The only people who can really relate to, and get excited or pessimistic about, Garrett are the originals' fans.

 

[DalekFlay]

I would say the Thief IP and Garrett are very different. Garrett doesn't really have any name recognition outside of the fans of originals. Thief IP also doesn't have that much recognition but marketing it is far easier than Garrett. Because people can relate to a "stealth game", but not so much with its protagonist. The only people who can really relate to, and get excited or pessimistic about, Garrett are the originals' fans.

There's a whole article on Eurogamer today about the reinvention of Garrett, an article that would not exist were the main character someone else. That's valuable. Times that by some astonishingly high factor, considering this thread and all the others like it.

 

[tuluse]

I would say the Thief IP and Garrett are very different. Garrett doesn't really have any name recognition outside of the fans of originals. Thief IP also doesn't have that much recognition but marketing it is far easier than Garrett. Because people can relate to a "stealth game", but not so much with its protagonist. The only people who can really relate to, and get excited or pessimistic about, Garrett are the originals' fans.

There's a whole article on Eurogamer today about the reinvention of Garrett, an article that would not exist were the main character someone else. That's valuable. Times that by some astonishingly high factor, considering this thread and all the others like it.

Instead they would have an article about why there's a new main character.

 

[Lancehead]

I would say the Thief IP and Garrett are very different. Garrett doesn't really have any name recognition outside of the fans of originals. Thief IP also doesn't have that much recognition but marketing it is far easier than Garrett. Because people can relate to a "stealth game", but not so much with its protagonist. The only people who can really relate to, and get excited or pessimistic about, Garrett are the originals' fans.

There's a whole article on Eurogamer today about the reinvention of Garrett, an article that would not exist were the main character someone else. That's valuable. Times that by some astonishingly high factor, considering this thread and all the others like it.

I'm not sure how much valuable that is as far piquing the interest of new audience in the game. Likely there are some people who are excited about Thief because of the new Garrett, but I'd hazard a guess they're small number. Besides, for those people someone named other than Garrett would've produced more or less the same effect.

 

[Borelli]

How the fuck do you upgrade a fucking blackjack? What the fuck is this shit?

Dual wielding blackjack?
Throwing blackjack that returns to your hand?
A blackjack that is slightly bigger than before?
Spiked blackjack? (WARNING : WILL KILL INSTEAD OF INCAPACITATE)

 

[Astral Rag]

Golden blackjack (DLC)?

 

[Gelbvieh]

There you have it, folks; uninteresting stealth and stupid AI: http://www.techhive.com/article/203...g-for-diehard-fans-of-the-original-games.html

Wtf?

Perhaps the coolest part of the demo was when Garrett went into a full sprint to reach his destination in time: the sprint morphed into a parkour sequence of sorts that was extremely reminiscent of Mirror’s Edge.

At no other point during our demo was there a moment where Garrett had to make that tradeoff.

The developer constantly emphasized the need for stealth, but didn’t really clarify what happened if you were spotted and had to go on the offensive.

For a game that’s doing so much technically to bring itself to the modern age, it’s a bit concerning that the same can’t be said for the gameplay. The focus combat and parkour segments are interesting, but the stealth segments feel out of place and ill-constructed.

I'm guessing he thought hiding in shadows was impossible at the brightness level in the game, which is pretty accurate really, but aside from that, wtf? This guy is their focus group.

 

[skacky]

In other news, Infinitus (ThiefOfficial) reopened his Youtube channel. It's pretty empty for the moment but I'm glad it's back: http://www.youtube.com/user/TaffersInn

 

[JarlFrank]

Yeah noticed it too, subscribed as soon as it was up.

 

[Roderick]

Upgradable fucking Blackjack

 

[Rostere]

Thief: The Dark Project is strictly better than both Thief Gold and Thief 2, who grab a shared second place for best Thief game.

 

[MetalCraze]

Augmented Blackjack

Have you ever asked for this?

 

[Psquit]

Eidos: Your hope has become despair! MAHHAGAHAHAGAGGGGHHH!
-3rd person takedowns
-console port
- reboot
- less theif more dishonered

ART THOU MAD, TAFFER?
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Anyways... i hope the game dont sell shit and lose a shitload of money in a fail product.

 

[Black]

WOW C00L I DIDN'T KNOW DISHONORED 2 WOULD COME SO FAST!!
KINDA WISH THEY STICKIED TO HORO, GERALD SOUNDS GHAY AND POLISH LIKE THAT WITCHER DUDUE

 

[Darth Roxor]

WOW C00L I DIDN'T KNOW DISHONORED 2 WOULD COME SO FAST!!
KINDA WISH THEY STICKIED TO HORO, GERALD SOUNDS GHAY AND POLISH LIKE THAT WITCHER DUDUE

Get on with the times, it's "Gareth".

 

[Black]

G4R37H

 

[Infinitron]

My guess is EM thought their decent job on DX:HR had bought them some fan credit for Thief.

They were wrong.

 

[Telengard]

I would say the Thief IP and Garrett are very different. Garrett doesn't really have any name recognition outside of the fans of originals. Thief IP also doesn't have that much recognition but marketing it is far easier than Garrett. Because people can relate to a "stealth game", but not so much with its protagonist. The only people who can really relate to, and get excited or pessimistic about, Garrett are the originals' fans.

There's a whole article on Eurogamer today about the reinvention of Garrett, an article that would not exist were the main character someone else. That's valuable. Times that by some astonishingly high factor, considering this thread and all the others like it.

Also, in addition to the comparison articles, there's the background. So, when a newb sees the FMV teasers, and thinks that looks cool, and then types in "garrett" into a search (Garrett's #7 even without typing "thief garrett", by the by), they get a bunch of articles detailing backstory, personality, great deeds - none of which articles and sites has to be prepared by the marketing team for the new game. Even better, just about all of those articles are praising Garrett and the series he comes from up the wazoo. And best of all, those articles have the prestige of fansites and history, instead of being newly crafted advertisements from the marketing team for the new game.

And the newb:That guy looks aweshum, but the graphics on those old games are just super fugly, and I can't even see anything! What the fuckety fuck? Thank god for the new game! The graphics in the new one are so so so much better! And it's gonna play just like those 71,571 Assassins Creed games that are just so much more awshum than those old games look! Day 1 purchase for me!

 

[Hellraiser]

Either that or hiring the assassins creed guy to do it turned out to be a fucking retarded idea, who would have thought.

 

[MetalCraze]

My guess is EM thought their decent job on DX:HR had bought them some fan credit for Thief.

They were wrong.

Bro you have a short memory. Eidos was shitting on original Deus Ex out of every asshole calling it boring and slow and that they need to bring it to the modern console audience. And then they started showing all the dumbing down of it with health regen, cover, quest compass etc. And retards here whined until the day it came out.

It's the same fucking thing now.

 

[Infinitron]

My guess is EM thought their decent job on DX:HR had bought them some fan credit for Thief.

They were wrong.

Bro you have a short memory. Eidos was shitting on original Deus Ex out of every asshole calling it boring and slow and that they need to bring it to the modern console audience. And then they started showing all the dumbing down of it with health regen, cover, quest compass etc. And retards here whined until the day it came out.

It's the same fucking thing now.

Even if that was true, I'm not talking about people on the Codex.