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Since The Witcher is earlier medieval, they made them Saracens, which is perfect.
Isn't the guy in the picture wearing Western European chaperon hat (which is different from turban used by Muslims as headwear) though?

(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).
What do you mean?
 

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"I'll be totally fine with a black character in KCD2, but he has to be a slave"

Lmao

He could had been freed, but yes, there is zero way he wasn't a slave at some point in his life. Because mali sold gold, ivory and SLAVES, and there is no other way he could had found himself in north africa, ie. crossing the desert if he wasn't a slave. It was berber traders COMING to Mali to sell stuff, and take slaves, NOT the other way around. And as i said, he could be freed by abassids or when he got into europe after years of service, as it was sometimes practiced, especially for high status slaves. If you know nothing about the subject please don't talk.
 

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You are seriously delusional if you think a single black NPC is going to ruin the 'good will', or if you think the game is 'compromised' by it.

Like seriously get some fucking perspective. Almost nobody gives a shit. Hell I'd say most Codexers probably don't give a shit and will play it and love it regardless. Yeah you'll all spam this thread with your racial slurs and your sad collection of Nazi poster memorabilia for a few weeks. Meanwhile you'll purchase the deluxe edition and play it non-stop with the curtains closed while whispering to yourself 'ba-baka D Vavra, it's not like I love your game or anything...'
"I'm playing KC2..."
"Isn't it woke?"
"Giga woke. But I'm using the Woke Remover mod."
"Of course. Me too."

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Reminder that most "woke removing" mods are outright banned on Nexus mods and other places.
Though there are other places, liked Based Mods, if I remember correctly?
 

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I would really like to know the process behind creating this character
"Put a nigger in. And I mean like a nigger nigger, you know? Gold chains and shit, make him talk about how Wakanda is the best, think we can get away with having him rap for a bit? Oh and make him a doctor, his backstory being that he's a refugee."
 
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(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).
What do you mean?
In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

You can see elements of this right at the beginning of KCD. A German peasant is spouting about his support for Sigismund to some Czechs. The conversation is framed within an ethnic context. "You Czechs." "Your king." "Germans like you." Then, when you go to throw shit at the German's house, your friends shout "For king and the country." and when a group of Germans catches you, the conversation again pivots around nationalist sentiments and insults.

This is not how people thought in the medieval ages. Wenceslaus was not "Czech" by any stretch of the imagination. Nobles married other nobles irrespective of their "national" background. Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution. Wenceslaus was more German than anything, but even this statement is anachronism. They simply didn't think like that.

There were towns and noble families in Bohemia that staunchly opposed Wenceslaus. There were regions in Bohemia that were Catholic and fought against the Hussite heretics. Presenting these wars as ethnic is the result of 19th century Czech nationalism and outright anti-Germanism.
 
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Since The Witcher is earlier medieval, they made them Saracens, which is perfect.
Isn't the guy in the picture wearing Western European chaperon hat (which is different from turban used by Muslims as headwear) though?

It doesn't look like a classic chaperon because it doesn't have the doughnut around his forehead. This approximate style of headwear was common around much of the civilized world.

You could as easily point out the metal roundshields. But that's quibbling and hairsplitting over minutia. The guy is a stereotypical Saracen bringing strange, temperamental yet powerful goods from the Roman east and further.
 
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(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).
What do you mean?
In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

You can see elements of this right at the beginning of KCD. A German peasant is spouting about his support for Sigismund to some Czechs. The conversation is framed within an ethnic context. "You Czechs." "Your king." "Germans like you." Then, when you go to throw shit at the German's house, your friends shout "For king and the country." and when a group of Germans catches you, the conversation again pivots around nationalist sentiments and insults.

This is not how people thought in the medieval ages. Wenceslaus was not "Czech" by any stretch of the imagination. Nobles married other nobles irrespective of their "national" background. Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution. Wenceslaus was more German than anything, but even this statement is anachronism. They simply didn't think like that.

There were towns and noble families in Bohemia that staunchly opposed Wenceslaus. There were regions in Bohemia that were Catholic and fought against the Hussite heretics. Presenting these wars as ethnic is the result of 19th century Czech nationalism and outright anti-Germanism.

Oh god, not this progressivist nonsense again. First of all, you are mixing two completely different things - nationalism (i.e. political ambition to have a nation state), and national awareness. While nationalism did became a thing much later, people were not retarded and they knew that they speak the same language, share the same history, customs, live in particular region and.....are czechs! And suprisingly, people could tell there are other groups, who speak different language, have different customs, came from a different region...and are germans! And even more surprisingly, 15th century was not a multicultural paradise where people celebrated diversity. Ingroup/outgroup dynamics and xenophobia didn't suddenly came into existence in 19th century, they are here since the dawn of humanity, beacuse that's what keeps people alive! The idea of a 15th century czechs being more inclusive than modern western liberals, not getting into conflicts with germans who back than had many privileges granted by the king (tax exemptions, exclusive rights for various crafts,...) is utterely ridiculous. It implies totally delusional idea of medieval people as some kind of aliens who's brains work completely different than ours.

That is all besides the point that we actually have a written proof of NATIONAL conflicts between czechs and germans in 14th century - Chronicle of Dalimil. That shit is full of explicit anti-german hatred.
 
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Oh god, not this progressivist nonsense again. First of all, you are mixing two completely different things - nationalism (i.e. political ambition to have a nation state), and national awareness. While nationalism did became a thing much later, people were not retarded and they knew that they speak the same language, share the same history, customs, live in particular region and.....are czechs! And suprisingly, people could tell there are other groups, who speak different language, have different customs, came from a different region...and are germans! And even more surprisingly, 15th century was not a multicultural paradise where people celebrated diversity. Ingroup/outgroup dynamics and xenophobia didn't suddenly came into existence in 19th century, they are here since the dawn of humanity, beacuse that's what keeps people alive! The idea of a 15th czechs being more inclusive than a modern western liberal, not getting into conflict with germans who back than had many privileges granted by the king (tax exemptions, exclusive rights for various crafts,...) is utterely ridiculous. It implies totally delusional idea of medieval people as some kind of aliens who's brains work completely different than ours.
The war between Wenceslaus and Sigismund was political, not national. They were literally half-brothers from the same dynasty. It was not a war between a Czech and a German, between Czech and German nations. Wenceslaus himself was opposed by many members of the Bohemian nobility.

One "foreign" king against another, his own brother. This hardly fits your nationalistic narrative.

That is all besides the point that we actually have a written proof of NATIONAL conflicts between czechs and germans in 14th century - Chronicle of Dalimil. That shit is full of explicit anti-german hatred.
Yes, people felt national animosities. Yet they played a very little role in wars of nobles, who felt themselves a race of their own, and had ancestry from all over Europe.
 

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(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).
What do you mean?
In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

You can see elements of this right at the beginning of KCD. A German peasant is spouting about his support for Sigismund to some Czechs. The conversation is framed within an ethnic context. "You Czechs." "Your king." "Germans like you." Then, when you go to throw shit at the German's house, your friends shout "For king and the country." and when a group of Germans catches you, the conversation again pivots around nationalist sentiments and insults.

This is not how people thought in the medieval ages. Wenceslaus was not "Czech" by any stretch of the imagination. Nobles married other nobles irrespective of their "national" background. Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution. Wenceslaus was more German than anything, but even this statement is anachronism. They simply didn't think like that.

There were towns and noble families in Bohemia that staunchly opposed Wenceslaus. There were regions in Bohemia that were Catholic and fought against the Hussite heretics. Presenting these wars as ethnic is the result of 19th century Czech nationalism and outright anti-Germanism.

Oh god, not this progressivist nonsense again. First of all, you are mixing two completely different things - nationalism (i.e. political ambition to have a nation state), and national awareness. While nationalism did became a thing much later, people were not retarded and they knew that they speak the same language, share the same history, customs, live in particular region and.....are czechs! And suprisingly, people could tell there are other groups, who speak different language, have different customs, came from a different region...and are germans! And even more surprisingly, 15th century was not a multicultural paradise where people celebrated diversity. Ingroup/outgroup dynamics and xenophobia didn't suddenly came into existence in 19th century, they are here since the dawn of humanity, beacuse that's what keeps people alive! The idea of a 15th century czechs being more inclusive than modern western liberals, not getting into conflicts with germans who back than had many privileges granted by the king (tax exemptions, exclusive rights for various crafts,...) is utterely ridiculous. It implies totally delusional idea of medieval people as some kind of aliens who's brains work completely different than ours.

That is all besides the point that we actually have a written proof of NATIONAL conflicts between czechs and germans in 14th century - Chronicle of Dalimil. That shit is full of explicit anti-german hatred.
So Spectral Pontifex' post kinda conflates the lack of 'modern nationalism' with the idea that there was no ethnic or linguistic tension in the region (not saying he is unaware of this as it's fairly obvious). But to be fair he has a good points about medieval polities being centered around dynasties and feudal bonds and not around 'national identity'. You rightly point that out (although I'm not sure where he noted that 15th century was a multicultural paradise more inclusive than modern western society) yet I think you yourself eventually seem to simplify the situation back to 'it was a ethnic conflict', which is also easy to disprove. There seems to have been ethnic/linguistic tensions at the time (as always) but if they're strong? We can't really prove that. You're being right about the Chronicle of Dalimil being full of anti-german hatred - this doesn't mean it was widely adopted (i wanted to say 'read' but most people obviously couldnt do read at the time). I think we're all in agreement the Hussite wars were about the Catholic's church corruption and the need for doctrinal reform first and foremost.

So I guess you're both a bit right and a bit wrong (as I probably am, I'm not a historian, but I do enjoy history).
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So Spectral Pontifex' post kinda conflates the lack of 'modern nationalism' with the idea that there was no ethnic or linguistic tension in the region (not saying he is unaware of this as it's fairly obvious). But to be fair he has a good points about medieval polities being centered around dynasties and feudal bonds and not around 'national identity'. You rightly point that out (although I'm not sure where he noted that 15th century was a multicultural paradise more inclusive than modern western society) yet I think you yourself eventually seem to simplify the situation back to 'it was a ethnic conflict', which is also easy to disprove. There seems to have been ethnic/linguistic tensions at the time (as always) but if they're strong? We can't really prove that. You're being right about the Chronicle of Dalimil being full of anti-german hatred - this doesn't mean it was widely adopted (i wanted to say 'read' but most people obviously couldnt do read at the time). I think we're all in agreement the Hussite wars were about the Catholic's church corruption and the need for doctrinal reform first and foremost.

So I guess you're both a bit right and a bit wrong (as I probably am, I'm not a historian, but I do enjoy history).
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As I said to thr.

In Czechia - and KCD - the war is painted in nationalistic overtones, at the very least. When in reality these were two noble brothers fighting each other. I did not say there weren't ethnic tensions - I said that they played little to no role in the war. Had Wenceslaus inherited Poland instead of Bohemia, the war would have been over his title of king of Poland instead.

Portraying Wenceslaus as some kind of a Czech nationalist fighting Germans is an anachronistic fantasy of modern Czechs.
 

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Oh god, not this progressivist nonsense again. First of all, you are mixing two completely different things - nationalism (i.e. political ambition to have a nation state), and national awareness. While nationalism did became a thing much later, people were not retarded and they knew that they speak the same language, share the same history, customs, live in particular region and.....are czechs! And suprisingly, people could tell there are other groups, who speak different language, have different customs, came from a different region...and are germans! And even more surprisingly, 15th century was not a multicultural paradise where people celebrated diversity. Ingroup/outgroup dynamics and xenophobia didn't suddenly came into existence in 19th century, they are here since the dawn of humanity, beacuse that's what keeps people alive! The idea of a 15th czechs being more inclusive than a modern western liberal, not getting into conflict with germans who back than had many privileges granted by the king (tax exemptions, exclusive rights for various crafts,...) is utterely ridiculous. It implies totally delusional idea of medieval people as some kind of aliens who's brains work completely different than ours.
The war between Wenceslaus and Sigismund was political, not national. They were literally half-brothers from the same dynasty. It was not a war between a Czech and a German, between Czech and German nations. Wenceslaus himself was opposed by many members of the Bohemian nobility.

One "foreign" king against another, his own brother. This hardly fits your nationalistic narrative.

That is all besides the point that we actually have a written proof of NATIONAL conflicts between czechs and germans in 14th century - Chronicle of Dalimil. That shit is full of explicit anti-german hatred.
Yes, people felt national animosities. Yet they played a very little role in wars of nobles, who felt themselves a race of their own, and had ancestry from all over Europe.

I'm happy you tacitly left your previous notion that the concept of nation itself didn't exist. Now let me explain something about politics - it's complicated. To claim that the Hussite wars or the war between Wenceslaus and Sigismund were only religious, or only political, or only national, is a foolish simplification. They were actually all of that and more. You have different groups with different motivations and different interests. The fact that political elites take side with different nation/ethnical group is nothing unique even today when we have nation states - does the fact that several prominent ukraininan politicians supported Russia mean that the the war is not national? The aforementioned Chronicle of Dalimil for example contains praises of czech nobles opposing "german elements" (and is critical of those who side with germans). Also the fact that political elites are sort of removed from their population is more common than not. When the European Council meets, I'd argue those PMs and presidents have more in common with each other than with their respective populations, and when they agree on something, their nations are often very surprised. Former czech PM was actually slovak who can't speak proper czech, does it mean czechs can't be nationalists if their ruler was not from their nation?

My point is not that it was 100% ethnical/national conflict, my point is that to claim that people "didn't think like that" and that there was no aspect of national conflict is utter nonsense. There was. To what degree can be a subject of discussion, but it was far from insignificant.

Shin see above, I didnt claim it was first and formost ethnical conflict, I was mainly against the complete denial of these tendencies.

edit: and I would argue KCD shows the ethnical conflict in the exact way that I'm talking about it - it's there in the background, for some characters more prevailent than for others. However, it's far from being some cheap anti-german propaganda (that wouldn't fly if only because Germany is one of their biggest markets lol), and for example the nobility always mostly talks about pragmatic alliances without any national aspects.
 
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In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.
As a czech, I can assure you that it isn't, not least because half the country (moravial and silesia) opposed hussites (as did many in Bohemia for that matter). It doesn't even make sense historically - we do not consider Luxembourgs to be "German", but rather think of them as having fully assimilated into the Czech culture – Charles IV. is commonly considered to be the greatest Czech that has ever lived, for example. As such, there are no "German occupiers" to speak of – we were not under any occupation. Hell, the time under Charles IV. is frequently considered to be a period when Bohemia dominated all of Germany, the absolute apex of Czech influence in all of history, rivalled only perhaps by the Premyslids.
 

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As a czech, I can assure you that it isn't, not least because half the country (moravial and silesia) opposed hussites (as did many in Bohemia for that matter). It doesn't even make sense historically - we do not consider Luxembourgs to be "German"
All that is true but as thr says, it's complicated.

Obviously in-groups and out-groups have existed from the dawn of time and one of the distinguishing features has always been language. There's a reason both the Potatos and us call the Germans "Mutes" (Niemcy, Němci) - they were those OTHER people that didn't speak our language.

Yes the modern notion of a NATION didn't exist but Czechs always considered Germans THE OTHER.

And vice versa. After all one of the reasons Ottokar II. wasn't elected the King of the predominantly German Holy Roman Empire was because he was a) powerful and threatening and b) Czech. They elected Rudolf Habsburg instead, thinking this old, insignificant Swiss-German count won't stir the pot too much. Unwittingly they elected one of the most brilliant politicians of all times and fucked themselves way more than they would've with the hated Knedlik.
 
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I'm happy you tacitly left your previous notion that the concept of nation itself didn't exist.
I said:
Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution.
It was not a properly formed ideology. It did not cause revolutions as it did after the French Revolution. Political leaders did not rally behind nation states.

You assume the majority of people who spoke Czech were ardent nationalists. I assume that they were not. Czech-German marriages were not uncommon. Let us not forget that the Czech nationalism of the 19th century was orchestrated by dedicated intellectuals who used the press to spread its ideas - and they purposefully created fabrications about the "glorious" Czech past to fool more people into it. There was not an organised effort like that in the past. There were no nation states at the time, it was still a foreign idea that - dare I say - wasn't exactly on the mind of the average peasant who just wanted to feed his family, and not perish in a "great patriotic war" for an abstract never-before-seen ideal.

The aforementioned Chronicle of Dalimil for example contains praises of czech nobles opposing "german elements" (and is critical of those who side with germans).
Wenceslaus himself was a German element. I fail to see why Czechs as a nation - according to you, apparently - flocked behind his cause in a patriotic rush as if he promulgated Czech nationalism, or Czech independence.

Nationalism had nothing to do with the war. It's just a modern projection.


In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.
As a czech, I can assure you that it isn't, not least because half the country (moravial and silesia) opposed hussites (as did many in Bohemia for that matter). It doesn't even make sense historically - we do not consider Luxembourgs to be "German", but rather think of them as having fully assimilated into the Czech culture – Charles IV. is commonly considered to be the greatest Czech that has ever lived, for example. As such, there are no "German occupiers" to speak of – we were not under any occupation. Hell, the time under Charles IV. is frequently considered to be a period when Bohemia dominated all of Germany, the absolute apex of Czech influence in all of history, rivalled only perhaps by the Premyslids.
Were Hussites not heralded as national heroes during the Czech National Revival? Were they not said to be the precusors of democracy? And during communism, were they not said to be the first (proto)communists? Haven't they been making films about the Hussites and Jan Žižka since the 1950s? They have.

They remain national heroes, who fought against the Germans.

Charles IV is claimed as a Czech king mainly because he was a great king, who ruled from Prague. Were he an incompetent king, who ruled from Prague, would he have been regarded as a Czech, or as an oppressive tyrant occupying Prague?

Czechs refuse to accept HRE as a whole as part of their history, they cherry pick in a nationalistic fever. I am not saying Czechs shouldn't claim Charles IV and other people like him. I am saying that they should view HRE in its entirety as part of their history, and throw off anti-German hatred. There isn't a single Czech living today, who doesn't have German ancestors. Almost thousand years were spent living next to Germans. Indeed, the Bohemian Germans are as much ancestors of modern Czechs as are the Bohemian Czechs.
 

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Were Hussites not heralded as national heroes during the Czech National Revival?
Sure

Were they not said to be the precusors of democracy?
No.

And during communism, were they not said to be the first (proto)communists?
Yes.

They remain national heroes, who fought against the Germans.
Czechs are split on whether they should be considered heroes or not. Fight against Germans is not and has never been the focus, and it's not like Germans were the only ones who fought against hussites either.

Charles IV is claimed as a Czech king mainly because he was a great king, who ruled from Prague. Were he an incompetent king, who ruled from Prague, would he have been regarded as a Czech, or as an oppressive tyrant occupying Prague?
He would be claimed a Czech King, just as his predecessors and successors were. The notion that were were under German dominance only really came to be after the Battle of Bílá Hora in 1620, after which Czech nobility was executed and replaced by German one.

Czechs refuse to accept HRE as a whole as part of their history
That's blatantly false.

I am saying that they should view HRE in its entirety as part of their history, and throw off anti-German hatred.
Thankfully, nobody gives a shit what you think Czechs should or shouldn't do.

There isn't a single Czech living today, who doesn't have German ancestors.
That's false, but I don't think anybody cares anyway. You seem to be stuck in the 50's, thinking there's some wide anti-german hatred in Bohemia, when it's the opposite. Czechs suck German dick so hard nowadays it's disgraceful.
 

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Were Hussites not heralded as national heroes during the Czech National Revival? Were they not said to be the precusors of democracy? And during communism, were they not said to be the first (proto)communists? Haven't they been making films about the Hussites and Jan Žižka since the 1950s? They have.

They remain national heroes, who fought against the Germans.

For what it's worth I think this has been changing for decades now. Czech National Revival used whatever was available and more to shape our national identity (with success) and commies are commies. In the present I have met people who refer to Jan Hus as a religious terrorrist in a tongue in cheek way multiple times to the point that I'd say it's a bit of a meme in some social bubbles. And most normies don't really give a shit, it's someone that literally everyone knows by name and a couple details, but they don't really think about him or relate to him in any way.

Also I don't think there's much hatred of Germans nowadays. I myself am at least 1/8 German (which I guess makes me a German native by US standards).

edit: I'd say that the only wrong shit in our relation to Germans nowadays is the still relatively common refusal to admit that some parts of the process of kicking out Germans after WW2, which was in its concept shitty but inevitable, were unnecessarily brutal and on par with German war crimes. Like many things in our history, this is largely the commies' fault because they decided to hush it and never speak of it again and 50 years later when others started to pull it out and write about it, people somewhat understandably didn't want to hear about it.
 
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Were they not said to be the precusors of democracy?
No.
Yes, they have:

As medieval historian Pavlína Cermanová explains, Tábor was a useful example of how Masaryk envisaged the new state.

“Masaryk saw the historical Táborites and their community as founded on democratic ideas. A group of equal people, remaining deeply rooted in faith. He was a very pious man who never divided between state and religion. Therefore Tábor’s community, based on religion but not Catholicism, was ideal for Masaryk. This was characterised in his programme, which bore the name: ‘Democracy and Religion‘.“

Czechs are split on whether they should be considered heroes or not.
Fair enough, it is changing. They are still presented as heroes more often than not.

Fight against Germans is not and has never been the focus, and it's not like Germans were the only ones who fought against hussites either.
I disagree. Hussites became the focus of many a Czech historian precisely because they could claim them as a Czech uprising. It would not have ever become the icon it did if the uprising was international.

"I am saying that they should view HRE in its entirety as part of their history, and throw off anti-German hatred."

Thankfully, nobody gives a shit what you think Czechs should or shouldn't do.
And it is preciserly this sentiment that has ensured Czechia will forever live in the shadow of what it used to be. From rich lands of the HRE, to the industrious First Republic. As you might know, Sudetenland is now a desolate wasteland, when it used to the opposite. Happens when you banish 30% of your population.

"There isn't a single Czech living today, who doesn't have German ancestors."

That's false, but I don't think anybody cares anyway.
You have approximately 33,554,432 ancestors going back to 1400, the year of KCD. German surnames are still common in Czechia, 80 years after the expulsion of Germans. (Often, they are slavicised: Schmidt - Šmíd)

You seem to be stuck in the 50's, thinking there's some wide anti-german hatred in Bohemia, when it's the opposite. Czechs suck German dick so hard nowadays it's disgraceful.
As far as Czech portrayal of history goes, yes it is anti-German. Yes, you are right, people don't go around hunting Germans, but the particular sense of history is there.
 

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