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Yes, they have:
That someone at some point in history interpreted something in some manner doesn't mean that narrative is present today.

Fair enough, it is changing. They are still presented as heroes more often than not.
You say that as though it's a bad thing. They took on most of Europe and won – any country that scoffs at such a feat is a country of cucks.

I disagree. Hussites became the focus of many a Czech historian precisely because they could claim them as a Czech uprising. It would not have ever become the icon it did if the uprising was international.
Again - that some historians 200 years ago presented some event in some way doesn't mean that event is presented that way today. There had been not a hint of anti-german sentiment in any of the history classes I took on the subject.

And it is preciserly this sentiment that has ensured Czechia will forever live in the shadow of what it used to be. From rich lands of the HRE, to the industrious First Republic. As you might know, Sudetenland is now a desolate wasteland, when it used to the opposite. Happens when you banish 30% of your population.
Maybe if you cherrypick some regions. I happen to live in Sudetenlands, and it's quite fine. Also this whole line of argument is highly fallacious – I assume you're German, so you should know well and good that no amount of economic development can justify compromising your nation with foreigners. Or are you one of those germans "thankful" for turks who have come to "rebuild" the country after WW2?

You have approximately 33,554,432 ancestors going back to 1400, the year of KCD. German surnames are still common in Czechia, 80 years after the expulsion of Germans. (Often, they are slavicised: Schmidt - Šmíd)
Oh, so if even one of them is German, then "you have german ancestors"? :lol: I'm sorry to inform you, but using such metrics, every german has french, Dutch, Italian, Spaniard, Polish, Greek, Russian, etc. ancestors, and most of them probably also some Turks and niggers, maybe even asians... :lol: If a Šmíd had a German ancestor 600 years ago and had only intermarried with Czechs since then, I really won't consider that german ancestry to be relevant in the least, sorry.

As far as Czech portrayal of history goes, yes it is anti-German. Yes, you are right, people don't go around hunting Germans, but the particular sense of history is there.
Unfortunately, it is less anti-german with each passing decade. Listen, my libtard friend, if a culture gets too buddy-buddy with its neighbours, it ceases to exist. You as a German should know this – think of all the various german cultures in the HRE that all died a dog's death upon German unification, replaced by some overarching amalgamation. It was nothing short of a cultural genocide, and it almost took out Austrians too – had WW2 turned out differently, there'd be no Austrians anymore, only more Germans. It is important for any culture to cultivate a healthy amount of disdain for all its neighbours so as to prevent this fate, especially if said neighbours are more numerous than them. To say Czechs should be less "anti-german" is just code language for "Czechs should cease to exist".
 

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Also I don't think there's much hatred of Germans nowadays.
Yep. I don't hate germans. I just think they are fucking stupid/suicidal for what they are doing with politics, economics, nuclear power, immigration...
If anything I root for them to wake the fuck up.
 

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In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.
As a czech, I can assure you that it isn't, not least because half the country (moravial and silesia) opposed hussites (as did many in Bohemia for that matter). It doesn't even make sense historically - we do not consider Luxembourgs to be "German", but rather think of them as having fully assimilated into the Czech culture – Charles IV. is commonly considered to be the greatest Czech that has ever lived, for example. As such, there are no "German occupiers" to speak of – we were not under any occupation. Hell, the time under Charles IV. is frequently considered to be a period when Bohemia dominated all of Germany, the absolute apex of Czech influence in all of history, rivalled only perhaps by the Premyslids.

I have never heard anything but an anachronistic Czech nationalist perspective about this any time I’ve spoken to a Czech who is even cognizant(dorky) enough about history to know about it. It’s like a far less edgy version of how (some) Czechs talk about the murder and banishment of Germans after WW2.
So there’s some kind of disconnect here. If you made me guess it’s that for Czechs, the standard-issue pop-history pamphlet any average citizen of a country ends up retaining from school includes it as a basic, safe patriotism-booster.
 
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Bohemia ain't free. The streets of Kuttenberg gotta be litterd with the blood of Cumans. ZIKMUND of Luxemburg aka "Red Fox" is not my king, he is a German warmongerer and probably a Maygar as well :DD. Prague and Hus, not Vienna and the Pope OK. Jesus Christ be praised!
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That someone at some point in history interpreted something in some manner doesn't mean that narrative is present today.
Sir, in the original quote I literally say "during the Czech National Revival".

You say that as though it's a bad thing. They took on most of Europe and won – any country that scoffs at such a feat is a country of cucks.
They were a bunch of raiders, pillagers, thieves, and rapists. They destroyed many monuments - monasteries, churches, and commited not just one massacre. Their military might is commendable.

Again, if you want to admire them for brute strength and cunning, ok. I don't think that's the idea most people who admire them have, however.

Oh, so if even one of them is German, then "you have german ancestors"? :lol: I'm sorry to inform you, but using such metrics, every german has french, Dutch, Italian, Spaniard, Polish, Greek, Russian, etc. ancestors, and most of them probably also some Turks and niggers, maybe even asians... :lol: If a Šmíd had a German ancestor 600 years ago and had only intermarried with Czechs since then, I really won't consider that german ancestry to be relevant in the least, sorry.
Alright, do you sincerely believe you do not have German ancestors in the last 200 years? That's a bit delusional, especially since you say you live in Sudetenland. Literally every third person living in Bohemia used to be German. It's next to impossible to avoid partial ancestry in a land like that, all the more so since both peoples look the same, and people often spoke both languages.

Not to mention that language isn't a good way of measuring someone's ancestry. People adapt their family names all the time. One could marry Ethopian neggresses for generations and retain the original family name in the line.

The genetic makeup of what is today the Czech population has obviously been impacted by the 800 years or so of living with Germans.

Maybe if you cherrypick some regions. I happen to live in Sudetenlands, and it's quite fine. Also this whole line of argument is highly fallacious – I assume you're German, so you should know well and good that no amount of economic development can justify compromising your nation with foreigners. Or are you one of those germans "thankful" for turks who have come to "rebuild" the country after WW2?
My ancestry is varied. Since it's partially Czech, and I speak Czech, I partake in this conversation with great interest.

Some my ancestors served dutifully under the emperors of old as they did under the Führer, including the Slavic ones. For me, sensible and positive Czech nationalism is that of "Reich Nationalism" as it used to be called, or the "Austro-Slavism" of František Palacký.

We both know that the foreigners in Germany today are biologically not exactly on the same level as Germans and Czechs, so no, I do not appreciate them. I wouldn't mind a Czech in Germany just as I wouldn't mind a German in Czechia.

Unfortunately, it is less anti-german with each passing decade. Listen, my libtard friend, if a culture gets too buddy-buddy with its neighbours, it ceases to exist. You as a German should know this – think of all the various german cultures in the HRE that all died a dog's death upon German unification, replaced by some overarching amalgamation. It was nothing short of a cultural genocide, and it almost took out Austrians too – had WW2 turned out differently, there'd be no Austrians anymore, only more Germans. It is important for any culture to cultivate a healthy amount of disdain for all its neighbours so as to prevent this fate, especially if said neighbours are more numerous than them. To say Czechs should be less "anti-german" is just code language for "Czechs should cease to exist".
You are right, I believe that more cultures in Europe should be subordinated under a unified vision that actually has the power to resist the global forces of egalitarianism, democracy, and materialism. Europe would have been a prettier place had the Czechs been germanised.

What exactly is this "culture" you speak of? I have spent years living in different European countries. I have yet to find a meanigful cultural difference. Do Czechs paint Easter eggs a little bit different than Germans? Should we wage wars over whether Santa Claus or Baby Jesus brings gifts? Or over how we bake our bread?

Is your way of life not nearly identical to how people live in neighboring countries?

Nationalism is a plague not so different from African tribalism. The idea that you cannot bear to live in the same state as someone who speaks a different language as their mother tongue - not even that in the case of Yugoslavia - but is next to identical in every other way is ridiculous.

Feudal nobles were proud of their actual ancestry. Nationalism, on other hand, was the opium for the masses to feel important. Social classes are hereditary: Degenerates breed with degenerates. Do you truly feel a connection with some random dysgenic Czech living in poverty like a gypsy? Don't you have more in common with a healthy and intelligent Pole, German, Austrian?
 
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KCD does delve into the politics underlying the conflict, but only in part of the ending cutscenes, which provides justification for the mission of Henry and Hans Capon but will have been forgotten by most players by this time.
 

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(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).
What do you mean?
In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

You can see elements of this right at the beginning of KCD. A German peasant is spouting about his support for Sigismund to some Czechs. The conversation is framed within an ethnic context. "You Czechs." "Your king." "Germans like you." Then, when you go to throw shit at the German's house, your friends shout "For king and the country." and when a group of Germans catches you, the conversation again pivots around nationalist sentiments and insults.

This is not how people thought in the medieval ages. Wenceslaus was not "Czech" by any stretch of the imagination. Nobles married other nobles irrespective of their "national" background. Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution. Wenceslaus was more German than anything, but even this statement is anachronism. They simply didn't think like that.

There were towns and noble families in Bohemia that staunchly opposed Wenceslaus. There were regions in Bohemia that were Catholic and fought against the Hussite heretics. Presenting these wars as ethnic is the result of 19th century Czech nationalism and outright anti-Germanism.
Indeed, there was no difference between Germans and Czechs, they were always there and not any different. Czechs and Germans lived for millenia in peace and harmony without anyone noticing the difference, but now far-right Czech developers want to create division.

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(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).
What do you mean?
In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

You can see elements of this right at the beginning of KCD. A German peasant is spouting about his support for Sigismund to some Czechs. The conversation is framed within an ethnic context. "You Czechs." "Your king." "Germans like you." Then, when you go to throw shit at the German's house, your friends shout "For king and the country." and when a group of Germans catches you, the conversation again pivots around nationalist sentiments and insults.

This is not how people thought in the medieval ages. Wenceslaus was not "Czech" by any stretch of the imagination. Nobles married other nobles irrespective of their "national" background. Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution. Wenceslaus was more German than anything, but even this statement is anachronism. They simply didn't think like that.

There were towns and noble families in Bohemia that staunchly opposed Wenceslaus. There were regions in Bohemia that were Catholic and fought against the Hussite heretics. Presenting these wars as ethnic is the result of 19th century Czech nationalism and outright anti-Germanism.
Indeed, there was no difference between Germans and Czechs, they were always there and not any different. Czechs and Germans lived for millenia in peace and harmony without anyone noticing the difference, but now far-right Czech developers want to create division.

wir wahrein Tschachan und Scheeeeeiiiiiiß
Retards, it was a war between two noble brothers. How the fuck is it a nationalist conflict.
 

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Sir, in the original quote I literally say "during the Czech National Revival".
We are discussing the game, yes? I'm not sure how two centuries old perception of an event is relevant to anything.

They were a bunch of raiders, pillagers, thieves, and rapists. They destroyed many monuments - monasteries, churches, and commited not just one massacre. Their military might is commendable.

Again, if you want to admire them for brute strength and cunning, ok. I don't think that's the idea most people who admire them have, however.
It's literally the same situation as with vikings. Were they all the things you described? Yes. Does that stop people from thinking of them as massive Chads? No.

Alright, do you sincerely believe you do not have German ancestors in the last 200 years? That's a bit delusional, especially since you say you live in Sudetenland. Literally every third person living in Bohemia used to be German. It's next to impossible to avoid partial ancestry in a land like that, all the more so since both peoples look the same, and people often spoke both languages.

Not to mention that language isn't a good way of measuring someone's ancestry. People adapt their family names all the time. One could marry Ethopian neggresses for generations and retain the original family name in the line.

The genetic makeup of what is today the Czech population has obviously been impacted by the 800 years or so of living with Germans.
My family colonized Sudetes once the Germans were gone, and people didn't intermary with Germans nearly as much as you seem to think. I know my family tree for about two centuries back and there wasn't a single German there, nor a person with a slavicized German name. As I noted earlier, however, even if there were any, what'd it matter? If you discovered that your great-grandfather was Russian, would it impact your opinion of Russia?

Some my ancestors served dutifully under the emperors of old as they did under the Führer, including the Slavic ones. For me, sensible and positive Czech nationalism is that of "Reich Nationalism" as it used to be called, or the "Austro-Slavism" of František Palacký.

We both know that the foreigners in Germany today are biologically not exactly on the same level as Germans and Czechs, so no, I do not appreciate them. I wouldn't mind a Czech in Germany just as I wouldn't mind a German in Czechia.
Austro-Slavism would just result in gradual germanization and erasure of the Czech people - that it was happening was literally the reason for the Czech national revival.

You are right, I believe that more cultures in Europe should be subordinated under a unified vision that actually has the power to resist the global forces of egalitarianism, democracy, and materialism.
Then you are a globalist. Perhaps globalist-lite as you extend this vision only to Europe rather than the whole world, but a globalist nonetheless. Its many cultures are Europe's greatest wealth, and if you erase them in the name of being stronger, then you also remove the one reason for why it's worth fighting for in the first place.

What exactly is this "culture" you speak of? I have spent years living in different European countries. I have yet to find a meanigful cultural difference. Do Czechs paint Easter eggs a little bit different than Germans? Should we wage wars over whether Santa Claus or Baby Jesus brings gifts? Or over how we bake our bread?

Is your way of life not nearly identical to how people live in neighboring countries?
Culture is not just language and traditions, but also a way of life, a set of common values (what is considered virtuous and what isn't), and above all the very identity of a people. And there are large differences between how germans think and czechs do.

Nationalism is a plague not so different from African tribalism. The idea that you cannot bear to live in the same state as someone who speaks a different language as their mother tongue - not even that in the case of Yugoslavia - but is next to identical in every other way is ridiculous.
It's not that you cannot bear to live with someone using a different language, it's that you recognize that being permissive in this area will lead to your cultural death. And the foreigner thinks the same - why else insist on keeping his culture or language? He's just as nationalist.

Feudal nobles were proud of their actual ancestry. Nationalism, on other hand, was the opium for the masses to feel important. Social classes are hereditary: Degenerates breed with degenerates. Do you truly feel a connection with some random dysgenic Czech living in poverty like a gypsy? Don't you have more in common with a healthy and intelligent Pole, German, Austrian?
A "connection"? What is this sentimental crap you speak of? I feel a connection to my family and friends, I certainly don't give a shit about random strangers regardless of their class or nationality. The achievement of nationalism isn't some magical "connection" but rather the preservation of humanity's cultural wealth, as well as being an opposing force to globalism.

You seem to be stuck thinking that One World Government would be a great thing, if only it were German. Would you really be happy with there only being one culture in the world? Same architecture everywhere, same art, same way of thinking? What a dull world you'd craft. Not to mention that without other cultures to define itself against, the German culture would inevitably descent into an idetity crisis. As for more practical concerns, do you really not see the dangers of forming a superstate? Imagine if something akin to the communist revolution came and seized the government - where would you flee to, if it were the only government in existence? That's not to mention the massive corruption and stagnation born from the lack of nations to compete against.

The ideal world is much like the ideal market - split across many, many companies with very different products, engaged in competition against each other. The moment one forms a monopoly, it all goes to shit.
 

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(even though they are influenced by Czech nationalist propaganda).
What do you mean?
In Czechia, the war in KCD - and the Hussite wars that followed - are not seen as that which they truly were: political and religious conflicts. Instead, they are presented as ethnic conflicts where the heroic Czechs fought against German occupiers.

You can see elements of this right at the beginning of KCD. A German peasant is spouting about his support for Sigismund to some Czechs. The conversation is framed within an ethnic context. "You Czechs." "Your king." "Germans like you." Then, when you go to throw shit at the German's house, your friends shout "For king and the country." and when a group of Germans catches you, the conversation again pivots around nationalist sentiments and insults.

This is not how people thought in the medieval ages. Wenceslaus was not "Czech" by any stretch of the imagination. Nobles married other nobles irrespective of their "national" background. Nationalism did not really exist until the French Revolution. Wenceslaus was more German than anything, but even this statement is anachronism. They simply didn't think like that.

There were towns and noble families in Bohemia that staunchly opposed Wenceslaus. There were regions in Bohemia that were Catholic and fought against the Hussite heretics. Presenting these wars as ethnic is the result of 19th century Czech nationalism and outright anti-Germanism.
Indeed, there was no difference between Germans and Czechs, they were always there and not any different. Czechs and Germans lived for millenia in peace and harmony without anyone noticing the difference, but now far-right Czech developers want to create division.

wir wahrein Tschachan und Scheeeeeiiiiiiß
Retards, it was a war between two noble brothers. How the fuck is it a nationalist conflict.
Have you actually played the game? What you're talking about is explicitly a major plot point where in the end you realize that everything that happened was a result of nobles bickering and the guy you thought was the devil may have had a good point.

Like you said, just a feud between brothers. But one of those brothers was supported by Germans and naturally the Czech supporters of the other rallied behind this because unlike the modern day "diversity is strength" types they favored their own kind over others. It wasn't a war between Czechs and Germans, just a thing that heightened the tensions between the groups. And if you're claiming that this is somehow unrealistic, then I move you get stripped of your Sandro avatar. Only prestigious posters can have it.
 

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KCD does delve into the politics underlying the conflict, but only in part of the ending cutscenes, which provides justification for the mission of Henry and Hans Capon but will have been forgotten by most players by this time.
so half of npcs look brown bipoc of color and you all surprised by jamal the scholar?
 

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KCD does delve into the politics underlying the conflict, but only in part of the ending cutscenes, which provides justification for the mission of Henry and Hans Capon but will have been forgotten by most players by this time.
so half of npcs look brown bipoc of color and you all surprised by jamal the scholar?
That is just the dim light.
 

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KCD does delve into the politics underlying the conflict, but only in part of the ending cutscenes, which provides justification for the mission of Henry and Hans Capon but will have been forgotten by most players by this time.
so half of npcs look brown bipoc of color and you all surprised by jamal the scholar?
That is just the dim light.
two main guys literally look like gupta and kumar
 

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What is going on now? There is a picture of 1 black guy and now it's a DEI game?
There was a time when you could play a normie game made by a big studio and it would be 100% white, so to see an out of place black in a game that prides itself on historical accuracy is disappointing.

There's a chance the writers can somehow make it not gay but that seems like a monumental task when you could just have races that actually make sense. If they wanted a foreigner I could MAYBE buy a Turk, but with what just happened at Nicopolis I doubt any Muslim would be welcome in Bohemia.
 

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What is going on now? There is a picture of 1 black guy and now it's a DEI game?
Yes, Amerimutt. Your negrocircus isn't normal and certainly wasn't a thing in medieval Europe. I know you can't fathom a country without sacred negroids to worship everywhere, but they did exist and still do.
Hmmm. Can the black person in the game steal up to $1000 in goods before it's a crime?
 

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They added blickies to the game so you'll be glad to have blacks in there to sell you illegal mods. Wait until you get a ruler clip and a switch button on your handcannon. Big BLRRRRRD baby Henry gonna be smoking a C pack on foenem.
 

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