The New DOOM Thread (2016)

[Ivan]

Just finished this. I had to amp up the difficulty to Nightmare to get the most out of it and I enjoyed it well enough. I wouldn't say it rivals the classics, but heartily recommend it if you liked the tougher modern shooters like Hard Reset, Painkiller and Serious Sam. It reminded me more of Painkiller than Sam, in that your're typically fighting in square rooms.

The game is at it's best when verticality is emphasized. Something I would like to see implemented in a sequel would be destructible environments. Since the game encourages rapid movement I'd like to see the enemies be able to reshape the playspace.

I didn't feel the game built up to a climactic moment. The bosses were pretty shoehorned, and reminded of the poor boss fights in the nu-Shadow Warrior game. Also, the challenge maps are pretty lame. They could have definitely amped them up by having you take out certain enemies using certain weapons but some were really eyerollingly bad.

All in all a damn fine shooter for the times. It never made me smile with childish glee, like Titanfall 2 did (that's another story), but I would rank it alongside Serious Sam.
or 3/4

 

[DemonKing]

I liked NuDoom better than Doom3. Doom3 was a simple, albeit atmospheric, corridor shooter with an engine that severely limited the number of enemies on screen at any time. NuDoom is a simple, albeit atmospheric corridor/arena shooter with an engine that limits the number of enemies on screen at any time.

Conclusion: NuDoom has slightly more variety in its combat environments and can handle slightly more enemies on screen at once, therefore it's slightly better.

The NuDoom board game though is a blast - certainly better than the one that came out around the time of Doom3.

 

[nodar]

Still better than current FPS games at least.
At least they were primarily single player focused.

So is new Doom...? in fact, that was a cause for fair amount of whining due to its tackled-on MP segment.

You actually had a number of SP-focused or SP-only old-school shooters released in the last few years: Shadow Warrior and its sequel, Doom, new Wolfensteins, Hard Reset...

 

[theSavant]

Motivated by the recent talk about Quake 4 I just installed the demo...

Gameplay: Enemy pops up - pew pew pew pew pew - next enemy pops up - pew pew pew pew pew - Buaah, I'm too old for this shit.

Fuck all Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein. I guess I'm done with shooters. Now I get it why people like slow games... like uhm... Skyrim...

 

[Jazz_]

THEY TOOK MY BABY.

 

[Bigg Boss]

Motivated by the recent talk about Quake 4 I just installed the demo...

Gameplay: Enemy pops up - pew pew pew pew pew - next enemy pops up - pew pew pew pew pew - Buaah, I'm too old for this shit.

Fuck all Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein. I guess I'm done with shooters. Now I get it why people like slow games... like uhm... Skyrim...

No, my friend. Fuck all modern shooters.

 

[Durandal]

Oh yeah, that one VR version for the new DOOM got releas-

Mixed (436)

whoops

Seems like it has no smooth locomotion so you're just teleporting around at a ridiculous pace, it doesn't natively support the Oculus, and the gun model viewing angles are all fucked. Interestingly enough the way Glory Kills now work with teleportation is that you just telefrag them when they're staggered, which is a much smoother solution than locking you into place as a canned first-person animation place, on top of the idea of ramming into an enemy so hard that he gets fucking burst to pieces being much cooler. Some retards in the reviews sections think it a negative, though nuDOOM 2 ideally should be doing the same here using a dash of some sorts.

 

[taxalot]

I also completed Doom 4 recently.

"Mixed feelings" is an euphemism. I get what they are trying to do. Their heart is in the right place and it feels much more like Doom than Doom 3 (a game I also enjoyed, but felt like the developers really wanted to do System Shock).

On one hand, trying to tackle Doom is a hopeless issue. D1&2 are perfect games in every way ; still played today, still modded to make the game more modern, they do not look dated, or anything. They are intemporal. They are gaming's equivalent of chess. You don't go around making "Chess 2.0".

That said, yes, nu Doom is brutal and enjoyable. But as others pointed out, it's also brutally repetitive and much more limited than the original Doom. It's still a corridor shooter except now there are arenas. It still doesn't use the player's memory to remember the level's layouts. It focuses on fast twitch reflexes rather than strategies, because yes, the original Doom was slow enough and the maps big enough to make you require strategy. I remember when dying in Doom that what I had to do was to approach the situation differently ; In nuDoom, I died because I didn't move fast enough or aim precisely enough.

Also, it's another instance where modern gaming shows itself inferior to old gaming because reasons. "We can't have maps this big anymore.". "We can't have this many monsters on screen anymore.". "We can't have mods anymore.". Fuck you.

It's like that dev guy from the FF13 team once said to apologize himself for creating a boring corridor game. "It's now too expensive to have a game filled towns, sidequests, and NPCs, it can't be done anymore". They call this progress.

Doom 4 is a step in the right direction, but is it really a surprise, an achievement ? That very direction had been figured out by everyone before them : Brutal Doom did, indie shooters while being unperfect also tried similar things.

So what ? What is all that for ? Part of me wants to believe they are just putting their feet in to test the water and that the next one is going to really be good this time, but you all know this will never happen. Overall, this game feels just like a waste. Open the damn thing to moddability, release more tools, and there might be something to salvage.

 

[nodar]

I also completed Doom 4 recently.

"Mixed feelings" is an euphemism. I get what they are trying to do. Their heart is in the right place and it feels much more like Doom than Doom 3 (a game I also enjoyed, but felt like the developers really wanted to do System Shock).

On one hand, trying to tackle Doom is a hopeless issue. D1&2 are perfect games in every way ; still played today, still modded to make the game more modern, they do not look dated, or anything. They are intemporal. They are gaming's equivalent of chess. You don't go around making "Chess 2.0".

That said, yes, nu Doom is brutal and enjoyable. But as others pointed out, it's also brutally repetitive and much more limited than the original Doom. It's still a corridor shooter except now there are arenas. It still doesn't use the player's memory to remember the level's layouts. It focuses on fast twitch reflexes rather than strategies, because yes, the original Doom was slow enough and the maps big enough to make you require strategy. I remember when dying in Doom that what I had to do was to approach the situation differently ; In nuDoom, I died because I didn't move fast enough or aim precisely enough.

Also, it's another instance where modern gaming shows itself inferior to old gaming because reasons. "We can't have maps this big anymore.". "We can't have this many monsters on screen anymore.". "We can't have mods anymore.". Fuck you.

It's like that dev guy from the FF13 team once said to apologize himself for creating a boring corridor game. "It's now too expensive to have a game filled towns, sidequests, and NPCs, it can't be done anymore". They call this progress.

Doom 4 is a step in the right direction, but is it really a surprise, an achievement ? That very direction had been figured out by everyone before them : Brutal Doom did, indie shooters while being unperfect also tried similar things.

So what ? What is all that for ? Part of me wants to believe they are just putting their feet in to test the water and that the next one is going to really be good this time, but you all know this will never happen. Overall, this game feels just like a waste. Open the damn thing to moddability, release more tools, and there might be something to salvage.

Interesting points...

 

[Morgoth]

I bought Doom 2016 a few days ago for a lousy 6,99 Euroshekel and managed to play 2-3 hours before tossing this poser off my hard drive. Sometimes the game managed to elevate itself very briefly into a competently designed shooter, only to sink back into it's natural which is an uninspired, predictable, repetitive arena shooter trampling on the player's intelligence. Also the id Tech 6 engine is utterly unsuitable for rendering outdoor areas. It just doesn't look and feel right.

 

[Morgoth]

OT: Anyone remember that? I was genuinely blown away back in 2002.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

OT: Anyone remember that? I was genuinely blown away back in 2002.

me too

 

[Average Manatee]

OT: Anyone remember that? I was genuinely blown away back in 2002.

WTF, all the weapons in this video have decent sounds, not the shitty pathetic crap that Doom 3 released with. Who made the call to redo them with barely-audible clicks?

Seriously the pistol alone sounds more manly than the normal supershotgun.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

OT: Anyone remember that? I was genuinely blown away back in 2002.

WTF, all the weapons in this video have decent sounds, not the shitty pathetic crap that Doom 3 released with. Who made the call to redo them with barely-audible clicks?

Seriously the pistol alone sounds more manly than the normal supershotgun.

Yeah, that machine gun actually sounds dangerous. I remember the machinegun in the release version sounding really wimpy.

 

[soulburner]

If I recall correctly, originally Trent Reznor was the main sound designer for the game, but he was also working on his new NiN album at the same time and the long game development required too much attention. I don't remember if it was Trent's decision to pull all his sounds or was it id Software's idea to scrap it all, but yeah, the final sounds are crappy.

 

[Morgoth]

Ever played with the Doom 3 source port?
https://github.com/dhewm/dhewm3/releases

Enable OpenAL and let the machine gun rattle. Play it with the Trent Reznor soundpack and your ear drums' gonna explode.

 

[Ash]

Oh wow, not only the audio design, but many elements look better. The shotgun has quite a sexy model. The wheelchair demon doesn't have a wheelchair, but rather mech legs (and therefore could be reused as an enemy with it making just a little more sense). There's a big zombie type with a tentacle attack...level design still looks extremely boxed in and inferior to classic Doom though.

Eh I might be confusing the D3 pinky demon with the version in the doom movie. All the decline is formed as one.

 

[Grotesque]

I remember seeing a picture with the doomguy as seen from an external POV in game code where it was modeled just the gun and a part of the breastplate.

Does anybody have that picture because I can't find it on the net

 

[Makabb]

 

[Average Manatee]

What's a 4k update? I can run Doom 2 in 4k. Do they mean higher quality textures or something?

 

[Kitchen Utensil]

What's a 4k update? I can run Doom 2 in 4k. Do they mean higher quality textures or something?

Higher resolution on PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.

 

[Lyric Suite]

level design still looks extremely boxed in and inferior to classic Doom though.

Movement is also extremely slow. Clearly to accommodate gamepad play.

But hey, consoles didn't bring decline yo. Not at all.

 

[racofer]

4K promo video. Running at 30fps.

 

[Morgoth]

Console peasants will always have to live with shitty 30 fps. That will be true with the Playstation 5 too, I bet.

 

[Kitchen Utensil]

Console peasants will always have to live with shitty 30 fps. That will be true with the Playstation 5 too, I bet.

Yeah once they'll manage most games at 4k/60fps, they'll probably push for 8k/30fps.
Still a somewhat unfitting place for this accusation, since Doom runs at 60fps on consoles.