Vapourware Scam Citizen - Only people with too much money can become StarCitizens! WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

The butthurt has begun.

I said this elsewhere, but I think the butthurt is unwarranted, as is the idea that Starfield is everything Scam Citizen isn't.

First, let me clearly say: Star Citizen is a bloated piece of vaporware. IMO, it's basically a scam that I suspect is only worked on to avoid the developers going to jail for fraud.

That said, Bethesda's Starfield is a lazy shortcut to a space game. It is not a full-featured simulation. There are no real planets. There are no seamless planetary landings.

It's Fallout: New Vegas with a space minigame.

It is, however, an actual game with quests, and worlds. And it at least appears to function and not to be a complete janky mess. (It's Bethesda though, so we'll see.)

While I believe that Starfield can take some of the market Scam Citizen is interested in, it certainly doesn't seem like it can compare to the vision SC originally sold.

And if Elite Dangerous didn't kill Scam Citizen, I highly doubt the next Bethesda game will.

 

[Grunker]

Wait, my Aurora MR is worth like 90 bucks? A mate bought me an SR backer account in 2013 because he was desperate for me to play it with him. I'm pretty sure he paid $30

EDIT: Can I sell the entire account and make money? If so, Chris Roberts for his pioneership

Starter packs (aurora or mustang) are 55$ without VAT.

Yeah but my account is an original backer account - which googling seems to claim makes it worth more?

Guess I'm off to sell. Thank you Martin friend for buying into the hype in '13 I suppose

 

[Angthoron]

The butthurt has begun.

I said this elsewhere, but I think the butthurt is unwarranted, as is the idea that Starfield is everything Scam Citizen isn't.

First, let me clearly say: Star Citizen is a bloated piece of vaporware. IMO, it's basically a scam that I suspect is only worked on to avoid the developers going to jail for fraud.

That said, Bethesda's Starfield is a lazy shortcut to a space game. It is not a full-featured simulation. There are no real planets. There are no seamless planetary landings.

It's Fallout: New Vegas with a space minigame.

It is, however, an actual game with quests, and worlds. And it at least appears to function and not to be a complete janky mess. (It's Bethesda though, so we'll see.)

While I believe that Starfield can take some of the market Scam Citizen is interested in, it certainly doesn't seem like it can compare to the vision SC originally sold.

And if Elite Dangerous didn't kill Scam Citizen, I highly doubt the next Bethesda game will.

This is true.

Along the dev time of this amazing "game" there were a whole bunch of different games that were announced, published, and largely forgotten - No Man's Sky, X 4, Elite Dangerous, Rebel Galaxy Outlaw to name but a few, each of them being hailed as the final nail in the coffin of Star Citizen, and then all of them ending up rather short of that task.

Starfield won't be any different.

This company isn't funded by anything reasonable, it's funded by ~dreams~, and as long as the dreamers keep sleeping, the money will keep on rolling in.

And yeah, "This will be great" Starfield will be another buggy and forgettable Bethesda fare. Probably more disappointing and lukewarm than their previous titles now that their publisher isn't ran by a pile of penny-pinching shitheads from Zenimax. I mean, sure, MS is bad, but do they withhold milestone payments to buy out your financially struggling studio, or withhold royalties because your game is 78 on metacritic instead of being 80? Yeah, no.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

The butthurt has begun.

I said this elsewhere, but I think the butthurt is unwarranted, as is the idea that Starfield is everything Scam Citizen isn't.

First, let me clearly say: Star Citizen is a bloated piece of vaporware. IMO, it's basically a scam that I suspect is only worked on to avoid the developers going to jail for fraud.

That said, Bethesda's Starfield is a lazy shortcut to a space game. It is not a full-featured simulation. There are no real planets. There are no seamless planetary landings.

It's Fallout: New Vegas with a space minigame.

It is, however, an actual game with quests, and worlds. And it at least appears to function and not to be a complete janky mess. (It's Bethesda though, so we'll see.)

While I believe that Starfield can take some of the market Scam Citizen is interested in, it certainly doesn't seem like it can compare to the vision SC originally sold.

And if Elite Dangerous didn't kill Scam Citizen, I highly doubt the next Bethesda game will.

This is true.

Along the dev time of this amazing "game" there were a whole bunch of different games that were announced, published, and largely forgotten - No Man's Sky, X 4, Elite Dangerous, Rebel Galaxy Outlaw to name but a few, each of them being hailed as the final nail in the coffin of Star Citizen, and then all of them ending up rather short of that task.

Starfield won't be any different.

This company isn't funded by anything reasonable, it's funded by ~dreams~, and as long as the dreamers keep sleeping, the money will keep on rolling in.

And yeah, "This will be great" Starfield will be another buggy and forgettable Bethesda fare. Probably more disappointing and lukewarm than their previous titles now that their publisher isn't ran by a pile of penny-pinching shitheads from Zenimax. I mean, sure, MS is bad, but do they withhold milestone payments to buy out your financially struggling studio, or withhold royalties because your game is 78 on metacritic instead of being 80? Yeah, no.

Play Spacebourne 2 niggers

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Play Spacebourne 2 niggers

Doesn't have seamless atmospheric entry. When you hit atmo, there's a disguised load.

 

[Myobi]

Play Spacebourne 2 niggers

Doesn't have seamless atmospheric entry. When you hit atmo, there's a disguised load.

Fucking lol.

 

[NwNgger]

The butthurt has begun.

I said this elsewhere, but I think the butthurt is unwarranted, as is the idea that Starfield is everything Scam Citizen isn't.

First, let me clearly say: Star Citizen is a bloated piece of vaporware. IMO, it's basically a scam that I suspect is only worked on to avoid the developers going to jail for fraud.

That said, Bethesda's Starfield is a lazy shortcut to a space game. It is not a full-featured simulation. There are no real planets. There are no seamless planetary landings.

It's Fallout: New Vegas with a space minigame.

It is, however, an actual game with quests, and worlds. And it at least appears to function and not to be a complete janky mess. (It's Bethesda though, so we'll see.)

While I believe that Starfield can take some of the market Scam Citizen is interested in, it certainly doesn't seem like it can compare to the vision SC originally sold.

And if Elite Dangerous didn't kill Scam Citizen, I highly doubt the next Bethesda game will.

This is what frustrates me about a lot of people who critique Star Citizen. There are a lot of critiques to make. But a shallow "This game does what Star Citizen does but the game is released lol" doesn't work because NO game is actually really doing what Star Citizen is doing. IE the seemless simulation of a galaxy in an MMO. Even EvE cheats. It's okay that they cheat. Because all game dev has a little bit of cheating in it or nothing would get made (like Star Citizen) I know a lot of people liked to compare ED to SC. But that comparisson also rings hollow when Odyssey pissed off so many people and was so shit they actually thought Star Citizen's current build bugs and all was better. That kind of shittyness takes some doing and I'm quite impressed by Frontier for actually making Star Citizen's development look good for the one and only time.

Also I agree with others that Spacebourne 2 is an amazing game and more people should play it. It comes pretty close to actually being what I wanted out of Star Citizen to begin with. Idgaf about the multiplayer stuff. I just want a fully realized and immersive space sim that isn't just you as a floating head in a spaceship. I want to walk around the planets, shoot up a town, smuggle cargo and walk around my giant capital ship as I gaze upon my grand galactic empire. I was pretty defeatist we'd ever get that after what's going on with SC and X4 being yet more clunky german shit. But Spacebourne 2 gives me a little bit of hope.

 

[Ryzer]

This is what frustrates me about a lot of people who critique Star Citizen. There are a lot of critiques to make. But a shallow "This game does what Star Citizen does but the game is released lol" doesn't work because NO game is actually really doing what Star Citizen is doing.

I want to walk around the planets, shoot up a town, smuggle cargo and walk around my giant capital ship as I gaze upon my grand galactic empire

Isn't that what Starfield is expected to deliver?

 

[Myobi]

NO game is actually really doing what Star Citizen is doing

... thank fucking lord for that.

 

[Levenmouth]

It comes pretty close to actually being what I wanted out of Star Citizen to begin with.

Tbh, sounds like what you wanted out of SC and what you get out of SC are two entirely different things.

 

[Peachcurl]

This is a useful thread. You learn something about a potentially good game you might want to play in the future.

So ... I just put SpaceBourne 2 on my observation list. ("wish list" is what Steam calls it. Ha! Now who's wishing, you fools!)

 

[zapotec]

Chris is already 55 and ihe is funding is own retirement, in a few years he will be probably blocked at the airport with two trolley full of cash

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Isn't that what Starfield is expected to deliver?

You're not quoting his statement with the context.

On a technical level, no game is doing what Scam Citizen is trying to do in terms of seamless landings. Because it's quite difficult.

No Man's Sky did semi-seamless planetary landings. The planet clearly loads, but it's still a planet, albeit simple and at a reduced scale. But NMS' gameplay is boring and shallow, so meh.

But they've taken so long with it and all they have is a neat tech demo. Unlikely that SC will ever finish.

 

[Modron]

But NMS' gameplay is boring and shallow, so meh.

Don't worry Starfield's gameplay will be equally boring and shallow.

 

[Myobi]

But NMS' gameplay is boring and shallow, so meh.

Don't worry Starfield's gameplay will be equally boring and shallow.

I mean, call it what you want but after 12 fucking years Skyrim is still pulling an average of 20,000 players per month just in Steam alone... so as long as Starfield modding community is as healthy as Skyrim's, it should be just fine.

Lol, modding:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Add-Ons/Engineering-Manual-For-Modders-Digital

 

[Haba]

And if Elite Dangerous didn't kill Scam Citizen, I highly doubt the next Bethesda game will.

No game can kill Star Citizen, for Star Citizen is not a game. It is an idea.

 

[Grauken]

But a shallow "This game does what Star Citizen does but the game is released lol" doesn't work because NO game is actually really doing what Star Citizen is doing. IE the seemless simulation of a galaxy in an MMO.

Not even Star Citizen is doing what Star Citizen is supposed to be doing. I wonder why

 

[Levenmouth]

And if Elite Dangerous didn't kill Scam Citizen, I highly doubt the next Bethesda game will.

No game can kill Star Citizen, for Star Citizen is not a game. It is an idea.

 

[Virgil Brummond]

Some star citizen posted some alleged updates from a "Bar Citizen" meetup in Hong Kong:

https://forums.starcitizenbase.com/topic/24747-notes-from-hk-bar-citizen-2023/

More of the usual "game development gibberish" except for the following:

Allegedly "Theaters of War" is officially dead!

The recent removal of SQ42 from their online store does not mean anything and it's still nowhere near release (surprise, surprise!).

 

[Perkel]

Well people were expecting it already.

1. Announced years ago.
2. Was supposed to be handled by external studio
3. External studio was bought by Sony mid developement
4. CIG was supposed to do it in house
5. nearly 2 years of silence

So yeah.

 

[Myobi]

Well people were expecting it already.

1. Announced years ago.
2. Was supposed to be handled by external studio
3. External studio was bought by Sony mid developement
4. CIG was supposed to do it in house
5. nearly 2 years of silence

So yeah.

*cough*squander404*cough*

 

[NwNgger]

This is what frustrates me about a lot of people who critique Star Citizen. There are a lot of critiques to make. But a shallow "This game does what Star Citizen does but the game is released lol" doesn't work because NO game is actually really doing what Star Citizen is doing.

I want to walk around the planets, shoot up a town, smuggle cargo and walk around my giant capital ship as I gaze upon my grand galactic empire

Isn't that what Starfield is expected to deliver?

No. Starfield is going to be Oblivion with guns in space. I might play it and even enjoy it. But it's not what I want. Space gameplay is a seperate walled off mini game with load screens and not much interaction with the ground gameplay. If you took one or the other out of Starfield it wouldn't affect the other bit whatsoever. Spacebourne 2 has come the closest to what I want. Star Citizen was supposed to come close to that before fucking bedsheet physics.

My dream game is basically a space 4x where you can zoom in to any unit and walk around the massive space empire you've created, go join the army and fight in the ground battles or space battles. And then walk around the cities on your conquered planets before zooming back out to do more empire building. My dream game is massively impractical and unwieldy to make. It will most likely never be a reality so I will settle for the closest thing.

 

[GhostCow]

I wonder how many more years we have to wait to watch all the documentaries about how Star Citizen scammed everyone and never produced anything

 

[Myobi]

never produced anything

dank memes boi, dank memes.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

This is a useful thread. You learn something about a potentially good game you might want to play in the future.

So ... I just put SpaceBourne 2 on my observation list. ("wish list" is what Steam calls it. Ha! Now who's wishing, you fools!)

You're welcome