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[Metro]

The ability to buy high end ships after the Kickstarter campaign is pretty much the definition of pay to win. Not saying the game doesn't have redeeming qualities, it obviously does, but it's still a shame Roberts had to jump on the MMO train.

 

[GreatPretender]

20 hours and at 4,8 million Will reach 5 million no problem, damn. Chris knows how to get the moniez.

 

[Blaine]

The ability to buy high end ships after the Kickstarter campaign is pretty much the definition of pay to win. Not saying the game doesn't have redeeming qualities, it obviously does, but it's still a shame Roberts had to jump on the MMO train.

Even if Chris allowed people to buy whatever they wanted with no limitation, pilot skill, experience with the game, one's connections (i.e. your friends and "clan"), and the restriction of ships to roles they're upgraded and suited for will render the cash shop a moot point very quickly. If that turns out not to be the case, the game will be a failure anyway and the cash shop will be the least of anyone's worries.

I played EVE Online for six years. It's a game in which you can buy quite literally whatever you want (including characters with high skills) by trading subscription time credit to other players for in-game currency. No one cares. Veterans never buy any because they earn far more than they need (so much so that they're the ones paying currency for those subscription time credits), and if a new player spends $300,000 and buys himself skilled pilots and the best ships available, it makes everyone incredibly pleased because they know someone's going to get to blow it up and loot it, creating hilarity and grand stories that'll last for years to come.

Worrying about the cash shop EDIT: is silly, in my opinion. There's not even a hint of P2W accusations against EVE, a game in which you can buy pretty much anything you want with real-life money. Not the slightest whisper anywhere on the Internet, except perhaps by 'tards who couldn't finish the tutorial.

You're worrying about the wrong thing. If the cash shop ends up being a problem, it'll almost certainly be because the entire game is flawed and then cash shop or no cash shop, no one would want to play it anyway. The same factors that apply in EVE in that regard will apply in Star Citizen too, even though they're incredibly different games.

 

[Runciter]

20 hours and at 4,8 million Will reach 5 million no problem, damn. Chris knows how to get the moniez.

He certainly knows how to appeal to the uncritical masses. I wonder if this is a general direction that crowdfunding campaigns are headed in as they become more mainstream.

 

[Blaine]

There's at least a remote chance of hitting $5.5m. I doubt it will happen, but it's pushing $5.1m right now and $30,000 per hour hasn't been unheard of lately.

I should note that after I discovered that tidbit about the Hornet's in-game cost in credits being directly comparable to a $150 expenditure in the cash shop, I no longer blame anyone for being cautious and waiting until 2014 to buy the game. I have concerns, too. I'm going to argue with people who blanket label the game a P2W MMO, but I'm not saying this is the most benign and unworrisome approach to crowdfunding and post-launch revenue, either.

 

[Metro]

 

[Blaine]

HOLY FUCK


$63,000 in one hour?

 

[FrancoTAU]

I pledged my 30 bucks even though I don't care for the F2P stuff. I rationalized it as being a slight win if I get Freelancer with better graphics + Evony level Pay to Win Space Sim. If the SP or MMO portion end up being better than that than it's a great way to spend 30 bucks.

 

[Blaine]

Yeah, the single-player and user-hosted multiplayer are, in my view, almost guaranteed to be worth $60, let alone $30-35.

But if the persistent universe turns out to be amazing, it will have been worth any amount of money I can reasonably afford. Well worth it. As it is, I decided on $265 and, frankly, my concerns stopped me from pledging $500+.

 

[GreatPretender]

10 more hours and 5.4 million.

 

[Blaine]

There's no doubt that the Bengal will be playable now (not at launch mind you, that's conspicuously left out). Dare we hope for $6m before the campaign closes? Depends on how people feel after the Bengal is locked in.

I've been watching the RSI end-of-campaign livestream. The Bengal will have 240-something escape pods. Also, Chris is strongly leaning toward NPC crew to fill in for real players on ships like the Constellation (so essentially, you'd have two auto-turrets and perhaps also the snub fighter controlled autonomously). Real friends can "drop in" at any time, at the pilot's behest I'm sure.

Also, this has been the absolute weirdest fucking end-of-Kickstarter livestream ever.

 

[Morgoth]

So in addition to that, RSI is also guaranteed another $10 million from outside private investors, right? Hope he doesn't waste all that good money on hiring famous actors and shit.

 

[Infinitron]

Fuck, they raped Project Eternity's record without lube.

 

[IDtenT]

Fuck, they raped Project Eternity's record without lube.

It's not Kickstarter. Doesn't count.

 

[Blaine]

And here you may observe the wild Kickstarter supporter in its native habitat:

 

[IDtenT]

I think arcade gameplay is implied by the fact that keyboard and mouse is supposed to work similar to Freelancer. Not that there's anything wrong with it, since simulation-wise AI would take control of the intricate stuff anyways.

 

[Blaine]

Well, Freelancer had quite a few noticeable "ease of use" concessions, and didn't feature Newtonian flight (excepting the speed limit) with directional thrusters, discrete destructible systems, and advanced peripheral support, either. Freelancer was specifically designed to play well with a mouse. A mouse simply isn't capable of replicating the performance of a high-end joystick with three axes, and using one in lieu of a joystick could be likened to driving your car using your elbows. Mice are ultimately two-dimensional control systems meant to move a cursor around a flat screen or a viewpoint around two fixed axes, not to control a vessel in three-dimensional space. The third axis (twist) frees up your left hand from pressing other buttons to roll, a HAT switch can be used to "slide", and thus your other hand can be holding a throttle most of the time rather than pecking at the keyboard to make up for all the things a mouse can't do.

I'm sure they'll support mouse and keyboard as best they can, but given equal skill, a joystick/throttle user will demolish a mouse/keyboard user every time... and out-perform them in PvE and activities such as racing, too. No amount of assistant scripts and AI in the world will fix that, unless they essentially cheat.

 

[IDtenT]

They will not disadvantage m+k users, even if it means disabling some joystick functions.

Really though, are they not going to update with a new stretch goal? How did this guy do so well with this botched website?

 

[GreatPretender]

Fuck, they raped Project Eternity's record without lube.

It's not Kickstarter. Doesn't count.

It counts double, because some unknown site of unknown company with Chris name slapped on it raped kickstarter and Chris doesn't have to pay kickstarter and amazon and he gets most of money for himself.

 

[GreatPretender]

In other news, 5.6 million and going up

 

[GreatPretender]

At six million you’ll launch the game with 100 systems, a full orchestral score

 

[Blaine]

They will not disadvantage m+k users, even if it means disabling some joystick functions.

You sure are confident! Too bad you're wrong:

Upon what do you base that ludicrous statement? I've read and viewed all of the publicity material for this game, as I've stated multiple times, and there's no hint anywhere of "nerfing" joysticks. Quite the opposite, really—full and advanced peripheral support for joysticks, throttles, pedals, MFDs, TrackIR, Oculus Rift, and more has been promised and has been touted as a major feature.

What they will do is support the mouse and keyboard control scheme as best they can, but not by ensuring every other peripheral is just as shitty at controlling a three-dimensional space simulator for the sake of fairness. Choosing a shittier control scheme is disadvantaging yourself. There are joystick/throttle combos out there for less than $40, feel free to grab one.

 

[IDtenT]

They will not disadvantage m+k users, even if it means disabling some joystick functions.

You sure are confident! Too bad you're wrong:

Upon what do you base that ludicrous statement? I've read and viewed all of the publicity material for this game, as I've stated multiple times, and there's no hint anywhere of "nerfing" joysticks. Quite the opposite, really—full and advanced peripheral support for joysticks, throttles, pedals, MFDs, TrackIR, Oculus Rift, and more has been promised and has been touted as a major feature.

What they will do is support the mouse and keyboard control scheme as best they can, but not by ensuring every other peripheral is just as shitty at controlling a three-dimensional space simulator for the sake of fairness. Choosing a shittier control scheme is disadvantaging yourself. There are joystick/throttle combos out there for less than $40, feel free to grab one.

Yeah no. I don't think you understand MMOs. Just because features are included, it doesn't mean they are meaningful. E.g. you can make rolling ineffective, rendering that ability useless within combat situations. Etcetera. This is not simulation software; it won't work like an actual sim.

 

[Blaine]

While you may think it's an MMO, Chris Roberts most certainly doesn't, and has said so many times. Yes, I know, he's lying about that, he's lying about full peripheral support, he's lying about pay-to-win, and in fact the evidence and official statements staring you straight in the face (not to mention common sense) carry less weight than the perplexing opinions you've pulled out of your ass.

I didn't take you for an idiot before. Perhaps I was mistaken. I'm going to give you the benefit of the the doubt here and assume you're trolling me with idiocy since it's now the fashionable thing to do in this thread.

 

[Blaine]

Just because features are included, it doesn't mean they are meaningful. E.g. you can make rolling ineffective, rendering that ability useless within combat situations. Etcetera. This is not simulation software; it won't work like an actual sim.

Upon what do you base that ludicrous statement?