Review RPG Codex Review: Darth Roxor on Disappointment, thy name is Pillars of Eternity

[Vault Dweller]

What the fuck is an "authentic DnD experience"? When you answer, please keep in mind that there are many different styles of play. While you're at it you can name some games that provided this effusive DnD experience.

I don't have time for a lengthy reply this topic deserves so I'll give you the most obvious and biggest issue, the one where most problems start:

DnD is a turn-based system. If you think that Bioware did a faithful adaption, transfering all the rules into the RTwP environment, think again. Which game did the best, most faithful adaptation of the ruleset? Temple of Elemental Evil. If you compare the gameplay differences (related to the ruleset), you'll easily spot the rest of the issues.

Because - you value quality depending on how much you enjoyed the game or didnt.

Well, it's kinda hard to appreciate quality if you didn't enjoy the game, is it? Similarly, if you enjoyed the game, it means that for you the good outweighed the bad and it would be dishonest to focus exclusively on the bad in a review.

 

[DeepOcean]

Why people don't stop with the butthurt and accept PoE is a shitty game? When I was bored with the copy pasted xaurips and boring exposition dumps, knowing what BG 2 and BG 1 did or didn't something wouldn't make the boredom magically go away. I play a game, I like them or not I don't care about the history of the video games every time I play one. Naming BG 1 and 2 faults and qualities is okay for academic comparisons but it won't change PoE and its soul crushing boredom.

About Infinitron BG 3 silly nostalgia theory, you just need to go to Deux Ex Invisible war and Thief Deadly Shadows to know what would happen if Black Isle released PoE the way it is at that time, it wouldn't cause less butthurt but even more butthurt as people would expect something of the level of BG 2 and not some dumb down BG 1 with a pretentious story.

 

[Irenaeus]

Why people don't stop with the butthurt and accept PoE is a shitty game?

I ask the same shit: Why people don't stop with the butthurt and accept PoE is a great game?

 

[Tadek Boruta]

Why people don't stop with the butthurt and accept PoE is a shitty game?

I ask the same shit: Why people don't stop with the butthurt and accept PoE is a great game?

There's no middle ground eh? Maybe the game is just ok. Not shit, not great but ok...

 

[J_C]

Why people don't stop with the butthurt and accept PoE is a shitty game? .

I'll be damned. Every poll on the codex says that for the majority of the people, poe is an ok/good/great game. I guess your question is invalid.

 

[CyberWhale]

Irenaeus, behead all PoE haters.

 

[Country_Gravy]

So no one thinks this game is on par with Ultima IV?

 

[markec]

Sure people can say that PoE was made with love and lots of effort. You can say that whoever wrote the story, characters and side quests really cared about what they do, as did everyone else involved. Gaming community should invent a reward for games that had most heart put in them and Im sure Obsidian would win it easily. But no matter how much we appreciate what Obsidian accomplished in limited time frame and small budget we cant ignore the games faults, and there are some pretty big ones.

As I said in other thread. "PoE, an action heavy game that has horrible combat, game featuring large open spaces for exploration but with nothing worth exploring for and on top of that a mediocre writing from company famed for great writing."

I dont know about others but its not things like story, characters or dialogs that I liked the most about BG/IWD games, It was things like encounter design, loot, sense of exploration and decent combat, everything else was just a bonus.
So when I judge this spiritual successor to IE games to me the most important are those things and everything else takes the back seat. So I hear this people say "But this companion is so interesting!" well I dont care.
I care about combat, loot, sense of exploration and progression. I want challenges that are not made from HP bloats but from interesting enemy encounters, I want to overcome powerful enemies and be rewarded by useful and interesting artifacts, I want to explore dangerous locations where I will be wary of what might wait for me around corner. Just look how second level of Firkraag dungeon has more diversity then entire world of PoE.

People call this game incline, yet its far worse then BG2 in ever aspect. Some people realize that and then cry how its not fair to compare it to that game and that we should compare it to first BG.
First, im not a big fan of BG1 yet I still find it to be better then PoE and second, yes I will compare it to BG2 because there is no reason to compare it to anything else. Its like saying for a new shitty tactical games that you cant compare it JA2 because then it looks like total shit so you should compare it to original JA, makes sense only to Obsidian fanboys.

 

[Ninjerk]

I expect they'll make a good run of it with the sequel, but I'm not giving PoE a pass for that fact.

 

[hiver]

Because - you value quality depending on how much you enjoyed the game or didnt.

Well, it's kinda hard to appreciate quality if you didn't enjoy the game, is it?

No it isnt you stupid shit.

Similarly, if you enjoyed the game, it means that for you the good outweighed the bad and it would be dishonest to focus exclusively on the bad in a review.

No, it only means you are a superficial shit who wouldnt know actual quality if it hit you in that stupid head.

It only means that you judge everything by your fucking incoherent idotic emotional reactions - exactly the same as any biodrone cumming all over the screen because he had secx with some of the companions.

And the rest is nothing but your retarded self defeating, self-ridiculing attempt to weasel out of considering a single shit feature or event or quest or any single pixel of laughably stupid shit.

 

[Edward_R_Murrow]

That's what the Codex said about BG and BG2 back in 2004, yet look at 'em now.

Well, the Codex did undergo a bit of a demographic change, turning from a spinoff from a Troika fansite (with extremely narrow tastes quite divergent from the majority population of non-casual gamers) into a more populous menagerie of "hardcore" RPG fans. The passage of time alone wasn't the reason why the perceptions of BG(2) shifted on the Codex.

 

[hiver]

I already said why that happened and its brutally simple thing.

Every single good game from the past got an upgraded status with passage of time - if and because it was never bettered by its successors.

Thats it. Nothing else to it.

 

[Vault Dweller]

That's what the Codex said about BG and BG2 back in 2004, yet look at 'em now.

Well, the Codex did undergo a bit of a demographic change, turning from a spinoff from a Troika fansite (with extremely narrow tastes quite divergent from the majority population of non-casual gamers) into a more populous menagerie of "hardcore" RPG fans. The passage of time alone wasn't the reason why the perceptions of BG(2) shifted on the Codex.

More like the new and more populous 'generation' are those who grew up playing BG/BG2 games. Of course they think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

...you stupid shit ... you are a superficial shit who wouldnt know actual quality if it hit you in that stupid head ... your fucking incoherent idotic emotional reactions ... your retarded self defeating, self-ridiculing attempt to weasel out of considering a single shit feature or event or quest or any single pixel of laughably stupid shit.

You don't think I give a fuck, do you, hiver?

 

[hiver]

No, you cheap imbecile, of course you dont. Why would i think that?

But you obviously give a fuck about how much i give a fuck about you giving a fuck.
gtfo, you poor dipshit.

gonna smack you over the head, .. dont bother me when im watching tv.


- btw, that of course does not make your stupid laughable opinion correct or better.
Infact, its almost funny that your only retort isnt any kind of fact or an actual argument, but thinking about how something makes you feel.



what a fucking stupid shit...

 

[CyberP]

Spoiler

Tim likes a lot of stuff much more than he likes Fallout New Vegas...


The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
178 hrs on record


Borderlands 2
114 hrs on record


Borderlands
100 hrs on record


Puzzle Quest
63 hrs on record


Titan Quest: Immortal Throne
52 hrs on record


Dragon Age: Origins
51 hrs on record


Just Cause 2
50 hrs on record


Fallout: New Vegas
34 hrs on record

Wow.
It's a similar tale for most old fag developers these days, it seems. The end is nigh!

So Tim Cain's tastes align with the majority of the Codex tastes?

So you're saying the Codex has shit taste? Certainly seems to become more evident as time passes by, in the case of the majority vote anyway.

 

[Ninjerk]

 

[FeelTheRads]

You mean Sawyer would have got rid of those unbalanced D&D spells and mechanics and implemented his own system for BG3? Yes, I guess that would have spawned a few megathreads.

Because BG1 and BG2 weren't some bastardized version of DnD for retards (look at me, ma, I am playing a dee-an'-dee gaem!) but an authentic DnD experience.

Yes, it's exactly the same thing. Hey, PoE after all is just like an IE game.. it's isometric and.. uhhh... RTwP WHY IS EVERYONE COMPLAINING????

I have to congratulate you, though, year after year you still manage to come up with the biggest strawmen and flipflops on this site.

 

[ZagorTeNej]

More like the new and more populous 'generation' are those who grew up playing BG/BG2 games.

And that same generation also grew up playing Arcanum, PST and Fallout, they were contemporaries more or less (and coincidentally, other members of Codex top 5 along with BG2).

Of course they think it's the best thing since sliced bread.

Right, it all boils down to when you were born and time passed since the game came out, that's the only logical explanation possible. So tell me, when will DA:O break into top 5 and kick BG2 out? How about Diablo (which is almost 20 years old now)? Hell, why not Oblivion as well, it only has 4-5 years advantage on Arcanum.

 

[ROARRR]

Baldurs Gate 1&2
Mass Effect 1&2
DA:O
Planescape Torment
IWD 1&2

SO if we analyse all the stuff that is common in the games and good and analyse what is common and should be improved than we have a template for future good games right ?!

 

[Tadek Boruta]

Not for every game. Just the ones that strive to emulate/ be spiritual successor of them.

 

[Infinitron]

In 2003, had Sawyer even begun to develop his philosophy WRT player experience?

Roguey can tell you more!

 

[Ellef]

Baldurs Gate 1&2
Mass Effect 1&2
DA:O
Planescape Torment
IWD 1&2

SO if we analyse all the stuff that is common in the games and good and analyse what is common and should be improved than we have a template for future good games right ?!

There is nothing common in those list of games. I mean you just went ahead and put Dragon Age and Mass Effect in the same sentence as PS:T.

 

[ROARRR]

Baldurs Gate 1&2
Mass Effect 1&2
DA:O
Planescape Torment
IWD 1&2

SO if we analyse all the stuff that is common in the games and good and analyse what is common and should be improved than we have a template for future good games right ?!

There is nothing common in those list of games. I mean you just went ahead and put Dragon Age and Mass Effect in the same sentence as PS:T.

I see your point,
but how about observing the games in an abstract way? Than you will find similarities
Like every game on that list has:
- Lots of great cutscenes
- an intriguing stroyline
- mostly very interesting NPC´s
- a lot of choice and consequences

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Like every game on that list has:
- Lots of great cutscenes
- an intriguing stroyline
- mostly very interesting NPC´s
- a lot of choice and consequences

Come back Jaesun, we need someone to post join dates around here

 

[Grinning Reaper]

Baldurs Gate 1&2
Mass Effect 1&2
DA:O
Planescape Torment
IWD 1&2

SO if we analyse all the stuff that is common in the games and good and analyse what is common and should be improved than we have a template for future good games right ?!

Mass Effect and Dragon Age as a template for future games? Please no.

- Lots of great cutscenes