Community RPG Codex 2014 Role-Playing Game of the Year Awards

[naossano]

What a weid result. I thought D:OS and SR DF were pretty unpopular amongs the codexer...

 

[Crooked Bee]

What a weid result. I thought D:OS and SR DF were pretty unpopular amongs the codexer...

That is one weird impression to get.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

Really? So things like price, date of release and publicity don't matter? Do you really think that South Park and Diablo III got more way more play than NEO Scavenger or Xulima because they are more appealing to the Codex?

Just take a look at how many people in this thread and at NeoGAF read and said "never heard about NEO Scavenger, gonna try it!". You're mistaking popularity with appeal, which is absurd.

Those games aren't relevant to the discussion, a large portion of votes on games like Diablo, Borderlands, DA:I, etc can probably be attributed to people who haven't played them and are fighting the decline.

If you're asking about Divinity, Shadowrun, and Wasteland, then yes, I think they are more played because of their appeal. Because they are overhead turn based RPGs with overhead turn based combat, because of their visuals, because of their productions values, etc. They are all in similar style to the type of games that are in the top 70 Codex RPGs. It's why they got kickstarted in the first place. Also, price, you telling me neo scavenger is ignored because of it's price?

The way you talk about the codex as if it's some huge mainstream general gaming site with a bunch of clueless members is absurd. It's a niche forum for a very specific genre of game, in a place like this I think appeal is the primary driving force, it's too hipster for popularity to matter. I don't think this kind of gimmicky shit is necessary in a place like the Codex either, people know what they like and want to play, and generally have pretty refined tastes.

Then again 1200 people voted on this poll, so I guess it's pretty mainstream, what a turnout.

 

[Crooked Bee]

The point is, if you're doing the comparison among the "big 3," then yes, W2 was appealing in its pitch and hence many people played it, but not as many people actually enjoyed it enough to rate it 5/5, compared to D:OS and DF. And while I would personally switch DF for W2, that doesn't change that it's not about HQ or Neo Scavenger pushing W2 down the list - it's about the fact that yes, more people played W2, but less people enjoyed it.

Basically, what you call "appeal" is enough to get more people to play the game, but isn't enough to rate it high enough - in which area HQ and NS have it beaten, for better or for worse.

 

[toro]

Well check the logs yourself, you idiot. This wasn't an answer to you.

Then why are you quoting me?

The good news is that I finally figured out why you are being such a dumbfuck. Here is why:

You moron think that the whole purpose of this survey was to prove something. That it was meant as an actual scientific attempt to place those games in order from absolutely the best to absolutely the worst. Well, news at 11, IT WASN'T, you fucking aspie. It's a fucking CONTEST and as such it has some ARBITRARY rules to provide an outcome. Desireably a believable one as a reflection of common taste of Codex' readers aka Kodex Kritikal Konsensus, not by any means a perfect, universal and undeniable ranking of these games. But the rules were clear from the start and the verdict is final. Stop being an obssessed faggot and deal with it.

Contest with arbitrary rules !? Fuck this.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

felipepepe is a true bro, worthy of a real

On a side note, I'm honestly surprised there's so little butthurt about Trails in the Sky ranking so high. Valkyria Chronicles has the benefit of mostly consisting of pretty good tactical combat, but TiTS is as traditional of a JRPG as possible. Guess the weaboo subforum is stronger than it seems.

 

[lisac2k]

Lovely, we've gotta results... Can't say I'm surprised, pretty much everything in place (more-less). And the free drama-ticket to the event, cherry on top.

Too bad I missed many of the titles, time to make it up during the winter hibernation. NEO, SR DF, MMX, Dead State... My personal fav was LoGII, but like I said, managed to check out just a handful of the titles.

Let the incline continue, I guess. Congrats to the team and for the effort, salute and all

 

[Crooked Bee]

On a side note, I'm honestly surprised there's so little butthurt about Trails in the Sky ranking so high. Valkyria Chronicles has the benefit of mostly consisting of pretty good tactical combat, but TiTS is as traditional of a JRPG as possible. Guess the weaboo subforum is stronger than it seems.

It's nothing groundbreaking, but it's just all around decent. It's basically the JRPG Dragonfall.

 

[belated]

Sure, here's the correlation between Wasteland 2 and Heroine's Quest:

Happy now?

Dragon Age: Inquisition 50%/51% against Diablo3 and the new Borderlands game.

 

[Average Manatee]

Dragon Age: Inquisition 50%/51% against Diablo3 and the new Borderlands game.

Good catch. Shills out in full force, or trolls from other sites that the poll was posted on?

 

[Black_Willow]

It seems that toro needs a shiny new tag.

 

[Commander Retard]

Yup, there are definitely some serious credibility issues with this survey.

Pretty much only games that can be compared are D:OS, Shadowrun and Wasteland 2, due to similar sample size and comparable distribution curve shape. But that requires some further statistical (descriptive) analysis.

If any of these games had only 1 vote with score 5, then it would insta-win due to average of 5. Bayes won't help you with that. You can use Bayes on D:OS, Shadowrun and Wasteland 2 to mitigate sample size differences and that's about it.

Using Bayes on number 34. Rime Berta with 7 votes is just silly. It doesn't do shit. Not enough people played it, therefore it shouldn't be even included in the list. Same with the rest games with <100 votes. You could do something with those >100 games but that would require some more statistical magics. Or you could randomly draw say 100 votes (30+ in social sciences is absolute minimum to draw any quasi-worthy conclusions) sample for every game that has at least 100 votes.

Right now you can compare these games by their popularity (number of votes) + you can say that every game SEPARATELY has some special characteristics (e.g. % of positive votes or average rating).

 

[Suicidal]

Not a bad list. So many great games I have yet to play / finish. And what am I doing instead? Playing WoW. Someone shoot me please.

You could be doing much worse than that, though

 

[tuluse]

Good catch. Shills out in full force, or trolls from other sites that the poll was posted on?

That means people tended to vote the same for those games (ie voting 1 for both gives high correlation).

 

[tuluse]

I hope the error is in the quoted fragment, not in the table, because if otherwise, NEO would lose its well-deserved 3rd place.

I am pleasantly surprised NEO Scavenger managed to scoop the place on the box. It really is a unique piece of RPG. Divinity's win was a no-brainer, it's a classic already. The thing that tells most about this year is that it leaves probably many of us with that feeling that we have to play those games from top places that we missed somehow.

Thanks to everybody involved in putting this thing together. Cheers!

Bayesian average basically expects everyone who didn't vote to give the game a 3. So it drags down highly rated games and pulls up lowly rated games. With a more pronounced effect the fewer votes there are.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

but not as many people actually enjoyed it enough to rate it 5/5, compared to D:OS and DF. And while I would personally switch DF for W2, that doesn't change that it's not about HQ or Neo Scavenger pushing W2 down the list - it's about the fact that yes, more people played W2, but less people enjoyed it.[/qoute]


Basically, what you call "appeal" is enough to get more people to play the game, but isn't enough to rate it high enough - in which area HQ and NS have it beaten, for better or for worse.

It's not "what I call "appeal"" it's the meaning of the fucking word. Wasteland 2, D:OS, and SRR appealed to more Codexers, and overall were enjoyed by more codexers.
Doesn't matter, ultimately this argument will go no where, since it's all based on assumptions, much like the poll itself.
No certainty, no validity, all speculation. Traditional polls will always be superior.

 

[Scroo]

You could be doing much worse than that, though

True I could be playing Oblivion unmodded on PS3. Which I totally never did. Of course.

Also that list wakened my hunger for rpgs again so I DLed DF:SR on steam!

 

[LeStryfe79]

Put on your happy face.

 

[Turjan]

W2 was also not enjoyed by many Codexers.

Indeed. With D:OS, you had lots of people who thought it became boring later on, but most enjoyed the beginning very much and the game overall quite a bit. With Wasteland 2, I read lots of complaints about unfinished shit and general uninspiredness.

Anyway, this is nitpicking between the #1 and one of the #4 games out of 54, so it's nothing to get worked up about.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?76504-RPG-Codex-2014-videogame-of-the-year

It's pretty fun reading some of the external impressions of the Codex:

Mount & Blade: Viking Conquest. Super-niche add-on to an indie darling. Rivet-counting period arms and armor. $15. Yup. I can see why it scored so well.

On the one hand, I'm pleased to see Trails in the Sky and Valkyria Chronicles crack the top 10. OTOH, I am not prepared to take any best-of-RPGs list seriously which ranks Agarest: Generations of War Zero higher than DAI. I'm inferring there's a lot of Bio-hate on the Codex these days, but COME ON.

Dragon Age Inquisition at 47? Did the Codexers hate it, or something?

AAA, BioWare, EA, $60? Of course they hated it.

Don't forget gay romance options. But really, you have to give Legends of Persia the nod at 45.
​

​

I always felt the RPG Codex community was somewhat poisonous but I agree with a lot of what I'm reading here

I stopped taking RPG Codex seriously over a decade ago. And I, too, consider Divinity: Original Sin one of the best games released in 2014.

 

[Grotesque]

I guess Fargo's obsession with reactivity means shit for the codex.

 

[Nyast]

I thought most people didn't like the end game of D:OS and haven't bothered finishing it ? In that way I'm surprised it got #1 place. Personally I'm only a few hours in, so I haven't even ranked it.

 

[Markman]

Only 3-4 suprises in the list, but not bad IMO.

NEO Scavenger rated so high. I should install it some day then, its been in my library for ages.

Ports of 10-year old weaboo games getting into top 10. For fucks sake, Codex.
Dragon Age tanking so hard. Is it really THAT bad? Anything I know of it is from watching RK's LP.
And Blackguards nr 20. Storyfags can suck my dick. Fuck you and your feels.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

W2 was also not enjoyed by many Codexers. So sorry about that. Please tell me more about assumptions.

Yes, but it was still enjoyed by more people than the two games above it.
And that's not the only merit, it also interested enough codexers to begin with to get that big number of people enjoying it.
Assumptions? Simple, it is assumed that the massive increase in votes is a result of anonymous lurkers.
It is assumed that some voters were trolls or spammers by their voting patterns and others were not
It assumes to know what the value of a non vote is.

 

[Hamster]

I have a huge backlog of good new RPGs to play, it's almost unbelievable. I joined the Codex in 2005, it will soon be 10 years. I've been waiting for incline for almost a fucking decade.