Community RPG Codex 2014 Role-Playing Game of the Year Awards

[bonescraper]

1. We could try (collectively) to come up with a nice in-depth system. That, unfortunately would result in a unified standard we could use. A template of sorts. I have some ideas for that, but i don't run this place

2. This thing reminds me of modern journalism. A catchy headline that promises quality content, but in reality leads to a worthless article. Do the thinking moran, you should know better to not trust the media!

Actually the bayesian average makes sure this doesn't simply measure the amount of fanpeople a game has. It measures the percentage of people who played the game that think it's good while adjusting for number of voters.

Cool, yet it means nothing if you're choosing between apples and condoms.

 

[felipepepe]

Explain why CKII: WoL is better than Dark Souls 2.

When elections are over you ask the government to explain why one candidate is better than the other?

There's nothing to explain, it's PERCEIVED by the Codex's audience as better. That's all that a poll is, is what it was made to find out. It's the Community's Choice for GOTY FFS, there's nothing random about it.

Seriously, WTF... we can't agree on "what's an RPG" or "which Fallout game is the best", yet people want a public survey to "objectively rate quality"...

hopefully they use real polls next time

Yeah, the real, perfect ones...the likes of which only butthurt people know about and can't share...

 

[tuluse]

1. We could try (collectively) to come up with a nice in-depth system. That, unfortunately would result in a unified standard we could use. A template of sorts. I have some ideas for that, but i don't run this place

Make a thread in grpg and get called an autist. Maybe team up with hiddenx

2. This thing reminds me of modern journalism. A catchy headline that promises quality content, but in reality leads to a worthless article. Do the thinking moran, you should know better to not trust the media!

This isn't journalism, it's a year recap circlejerk.

Cool, yet it means nothing if you're choosing between apples and condoms.

All this is supposed to be is letting you know what games that are something like RPGs that people on the codex played and liked a lot.

 

[bonescraper]

Seriously, WTF... we can't agree on "what's an RPG" or "which Fallout game is the best", yet people want a public survey to "objectively rate quality"...

Yes, i think it's possible. You would have to make a rating system with clear, objective categories that people generally agree with. It won't be perfect, but it will have some weight behind it.

 

[Turjan]

All this is supposed to be is letting you know what games that are something like RPGs that people on the codex played and liked a lot.

Indeed. And the fact that the public poll and the staff poll got the same results on the first two places gives it some nice extra portion of legitimacy. Not that it needed one in the first place.

 

[Turjan]

... clear, objective categories that people generally agree with...

These "clear, objective categories that people generally agree with" only exist in some fantasy of yours.

A short glimpse at the classic top two RPGs of the Codex should convince you of that. If you take the top 6, you will see the futility of such a notion.

 

[Jaesun]

In twelve fucking years the codex still can't even agree on what a cRPG is.

 

[felipepepe]

Yeah, good luck creating categories that allow you to properly weight D:OS co-op combat against Heroine's Quest puzzles. And then getting people to "generally agree with" it.

 

[bonescraper]

Make a thread in grpg and get called an autist. Maybe team up with hiddenx

Oh, sure. Fuck discussion, let's have happy circlejerk fests instead.

This isn't journalism, it's a year recap circlejerk.

I thought the Codex was a prestigious magazine?

Spoiler

All this is supposed to be is letting you know what games that are something like RPGs that people on the codex played and liked a lot.

When people are voting for CKII: WoL, they're actually voting for CKII. I doubt there are people who really love WoL that much. CKII wasn't released in 2014, so yeah, this poll isn't following any standards anyway.

In twelve fucking years the codex still can't even agree on what a cRPG is.

That doesn't matter. We know what gameplay is, and we know what games are for.

Yeah, good luck creating categories that allow you to properly weight D:OS co-op combat against Heroine's Quest puzzles. And then getting people to "generally agree with" it.

Heroine Quest has combat? If yes, compare, if not, make a different category for games with little or no combat.

 

[Turjan]

... this poll isn't following any standards anyway.

Translation: "This poll isn't following my standards anyway."

 

[Jaesun]

That doesn't matter. We know what gameplay is, and we know what games are for.

You will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever get a consensus on ANYTHING that all people here would agree on here at the codex. Period.

How long have you been here?

 

[bonescraper]

Translation: "This poll isn't following my standards anyway."

Rules. Like - 2014 games. CKII: WoL isn't a game. CKII wasn't released in 2014.

 

[Turjan]

Rules. Like - 2014 games. CKII: WoL isn't a game. CKII wasn't released in 2014.

Rules. Like 2014 games and 2014 expansions.

See, the poll rules are simply different from your rules. The standards this poll followed were not your standards. Your standards are subjective and are just one possibility of many.

I can summarize your whole contribution to this discussion with that you mistake your personal, subjective opinion for some kind of objective view on this whole affair. Hint: It isn't.

 

[bonescraper]

You will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever get a consensus on ANYTHING that all people here would agree on here at the codex. Period.

How long have you been here?

Then use the rule of majority. Jesus fuck. Pick some shit, make people vote for it. Get a list of stuff that made it into the pool, call it a day.

Bang, you have a system.

Rules. Like 2014 games and 2014 expansions.

WoL isn't even an expansion. Charlemange is, but fuck, definitely not a DLC with one fucking new mechanic and a dozen of images.

 

[Turjan]

Then use the rule of majority. Jesus fuck. Pick some shit, make people vote for it. Get a list of stuff that made it into the pool, call it a day.

That's exactly what happened.

 

[bonescraper]

No. You forgot the "system" part. I don't care about popularity contests, i think i made that clear.

 

[felipepepe]

Heroine Quest has combat? If yes, compare, if not, make a different category for games with little or no combat.

Yeah, I can see how this will work just great:

Best co-op RPG: Divinity: Original Sin
Best Adventure-RPG: Heroine's Quest
Best Roguelike: NEO Scavenger
Best real-time dungeon crawler: Legend of Grimrock 2
Best turn-based dungeon crawler: Might & Magic X
Best P&P Adaptation: Shadowrun: Dragonfall
Best Gay Romance Simulator: Dragon Age: Inquisition
Best PS3 port: Valkyria Chronicles

Seriously, this is ridiculous. You talk about a survey based on popular ratings being RANDOM, then propose creating competently arbitrary categories "to add weight".

 

[Turjan]

No. You forgot the "system" part. I don't care about popularity contests, i think i made that clear.

Well, but why should we care for what you care for? You have one vote.

 

[bonescraper]

Ok, you people aren't interested. Got it. Keep on making irrelevant lists. Gotta go to bed, g'nite.

 

[Turjan]

Yeah, I can see how this will work just great:

Best co-op RPG: Divinity: Original Sin
Best Adventure-RPG: Heroine's Quest
Best Roguelike: NEO Scavenger
Best real-time dungeon crawler: Legend of Grimrock 2
Best turn-based dungeon crawler: Might & Magic X
Best P&P Adaptation: Shadowrun: Dragonfall
Best Gay Romance Simulator: Dragon Age: Inquisition
Best PS3 port: Valkyria Chronicles

Finally, we would compete with Kotaku and RPS. That was the goal, right? (That would be 8 gold medals to sell for advertising money :D)

Seriously, this is ridiculous. You talk about a survey based on popular ratings being RANDOM, then propose creating competently arbitrary categories "to add weight".

Given that the average voter played 8 games or less, such a vote would be doomed, anyway.

 

[Achiman]

Ok, after reading 8 pages of complaining and arguing about how a poll should be conducted and THE NUMBERS ARE NOT THE NUMBERS I NEED.
I think I have the solution for next year.
All of the developers that produce an RPG in 2015 have to submit 1 champion each to duke it out with fedoras at 50 paces.

The winnar will get "meh, it is ok for what it is award" (the highest praise on the codex).
The rest will go into a list of shit to be argued about for a few weeks, just like this year.

Don't really understand how if someone doesn't like a game as much as you it somehow takes away your own enjoyment...

 

[Turjan]

Ok, you people aren't interested. Got it. Keep on making irrelevant lists.

What you want is some kind of editorial, an article. Why don't you start a blog?

 

[Onholyservicebound]

Seriously, WTF... we can't agree on "what's an RPG" or "which Fallout game is the best", yet people want a public survey to "objectively rate quality"...


Yeah, the real, perfect ones...the likes of which only butthurt people know about and can't share...

Butthurt is that what you've resorted to as a defense of this shit poll?

Yes, it's a real perfect, simple poll, it doesn't rely on the good nature of the voters, nor does it add in imaginary numbers where there are no votes.
See, you have a list of games, each has a dot next to it. A single person clicks the dot next to their favourite. It isn't loaded with assumptions or corrections, it is objectively the result of someone choosing the favourite game that they played from a list.

 

[himmy]

I propose we make a thread in which we decide exactly which of the games in the list is an RPG and which is not, and then objectively rate them based on their merits as a game.

Spoiler

 

[Turjan]

Don't really understand how if someone doesn't like a game as much as you it somehow takes away your own enjoyment...

It's a bit silly, yes. Most of the complaints came from people who wanted to see game #4 (or 5) of 54 on place #1. Big deal.
If I look at the top 10, I see Neo Scavenger on #3, which I will probably never play, because I don't really care for the subgenre. However, I have no means to decide if it's an enjoyable game for people who like this specific subgenre, so why would I care about this? A similar reasoning is true for Trails in the Sky. Big deal. I should probably open up my personal drama thread about how these games touched me in the wrong spot and are responsible for the demise of western civilization, but I somehow can't bring up enough righteous anger before bursting into laughter.

I propose we make a thread in which we decide exactly which of the games in the list is an RPG and which is not, and then objectively rate them based on their merits as a game.

Of course only after we defined, once and for all, the all-important question: What is an RPG?