KickStarter Psychonauts 2

[Volrath]

Seems a bit pointless to get excited over the campaign length thing, since it's not like you can't pledge for a crowfunded game after its campaign its done anyway (via Paypal).

Like, if somebody decides "Hey, we're getting a great response so we've decided we're going to do this for another week!", then why not? It'd be better if they publicly announced it, of course.

Initial response seems fine to me. Seems more likely that they set the wrong campaign length at first, or that they figured out it'd be better for it to end on a particular day of the week, or something like that.

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[Infinitron]

Wait a sec, they're accepting paypal funds directly to them now when the game isn't even funded? Fucking hell Tim...

They can do that if they plan on making the game even if the Figstarter fails. Seems like they're already taking money from plenty of other places, after all. I wonder if somebody has asked them about that.

 

[Darth Slaughter]

As much as I loved psychonauts, I'll have to wait the game to be released.

Tim became a superstar that now rob the credits of DOTT and Monkey Island as if they're his creations.

I enjoyed being deceived by brutal legend, a game I swear was a 3rd person action-adventure but in the end I was playing an RTS.

And broken age, well, I played only the 1st part and never bothered with the rest.

After these games, I can't believe Pdychonauts 2 will be great. If it happens, well, I'll wait the reviews.

 

[almondblight]

Fig's TOS:

Contributions should be considered a gift or donation rather than a purchase, as Fig can make no assurances that the Campaign Owner will be able to produce the Rewards in a timely fashion or at all.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Fig's TOS:

That's normal. Its a crowdfunding platform, they're not going to be liable if 3rd party doesn't deliver a game.

 

[evdk]

lolwhat.

After the game is successfully funded, the devs usually accept PayPal contributions for some time, usually until the game goes gold or something. The tiers are often a bit pricier than on KS though.

Wait a sec, they're accepting paypal funds directly to them now when the game isn't even funded? Fucking hell Tim...

I seriously doubt that, cos that would not be just greedy, but stupid - that money would not count towards the campaign goal, and theoretically could cause their crowdsourcing effort to fail. Tim's not that dumb, you know.

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TBH I do not think he is dumb at all

 

[Immortal]

Seems a bit pointless to get excited over the campaign length thing, since it's not like you can't pledge for a crowfunded game after its campaign is done anyway (via Paypal).

Like, if somebody decides "Hey, we're getting a great response so we've decided we're going to do this for another week!", then why not? It'd be better if they publicly announced it, of course.

If you keep bumping the date, you never risk having the campaign fail and thus having to refund the Shekals.
I would like to point out that fudging dates is only possible now because they are running the site too.

They have become judge, jury and executioner. They control how much information goes out, they control how long campaigns go for, they control transparency on what is donated.
It went from a neutral website whose incentive is to get as many funded projects as possible on a level playing field (AKA bad ideas should fail quickly and be replaced by better ones) to an environment where Tims goal is to get his projects funded no matter what.

"Now let's find out if anyone wants this game.... okay not enough people want it yet.. add more days"

EDIT
INB4 "Oh we had a typo on the dollar amount.. we meant 2.3 million.. WHEW FUNDED!"

 

[J_C]

"Now let's find out if anyone wants this game.... okay not enough people want it yet.. add more days"

I'm totally agree with what you have said.

But if they would just miss the goal in the last day, wouldn't it make sense to add 1 more day, instead of loosing 3.2 million just because an artifical deadline is over. I'm not talking about this case of course, because the campaign has just started and they added 5 days for whatever reason. I'm talking in general where it would be a good idea to add a little more leeway to the deadline, if the goal is very close.

 

[Immortal]

"Now let's find out if anyone wants this game.... okay not enough people want it yet.. add more days"

I'm totally agree with what you have said.

But if they would just miss the goal in the last day, wouldn't it make sense to add 1 more day, instead of loosing 3.2 million just because an artifical deadline is over. I'm not talking about this case of course, because the campaign has just started and they added 5 days for whatever reason. I'm talking in general where it would be a good idea to add a little more leeway to the deadline, if the goal is very close.

If I was to look at it from the perspective of a ShafferShill.. who wanted this game to be funded - then sure, why not

My point wasn't the fact that they increased the days.. the point is, -after- people have committed to X Goal with Y Parameters... DF can at any time go in and fudge around the numbers without asking anyone for permission or refunding back your pledge and asking you if you would like to continue pledging under the new circumstances.

If they are just gonna move goal posts every time the numbers look bad.. that could greatly affect the game that comes out the other end and there is no consumer protection / rules against it.
They control every end point.

Also Tim is a shady crook and the exact person you don't want overseeing this shit.

 

[DeepOcean]

I don't feel scammed.

Step A: Mention a big list of future updates and content to attract sales.
Step B: Claim you ran out of money, say the game is fine, slap a 1.0 to it and claim modders will fix it.

Man, that sounds like a classic Early Access bait and switch scam to me, maybe you should feel scammed.

 

[almondblight]

That's normal. Its a crowdfunding platform, they're not going to be liable if 3rd party doesn't deliver a game.

Eh, saying Fig is not responsible for a third party fulfilling it's obligation is one thing. But saying that these should be seen as gifts/donations is another, particularly when there's no mention (from what I could find) that the creator has any obligation towards rewards backers whatsoever. For instance, here's Kickstarter's Terms of Use:

Kickstarter is not a part of this contract — the contract is a direct legal agreement between creators and their backers. Here are the terms that govern that agreement:

When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.

(emphasis added by KS)

So KS says that when you back a project on their site, you're entering into a legal contract with the creator that they are obligated to fulfill (and creators have been sued over not fulfilling these). Fig says that when you back a project on Fig, you're giving a gift to the creator, and there seems to be no legal obligation for them to actually deliver.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

His "KS shit" is nothing relative to real KS horror stories of developers going bankrupt without delivering anything at all. If that was the thing, you'd expect everyone to be at Neal Stephenson's throat for the disaster that was CLANG, not to speak of Yogsventure. Schafer comes off as really full of himself, which rubs people the wrong way, but he did deliver what he promised, albeit with delays and in two pieces. What he delivered was also a bit on the meh side, but honestly, so was Wasteland 2, and you don't see people line up to exclaim just how horrible Fargo is.

Being someone who actually releases shit, Schafer also wins by default over a certain Sargon of Akkad, whose kickstarted game continues to languish in development hell.

There's a lot of problems with Timmy. The main one is that he did a big bait and switch, constantly talking about Full Throttle and Monkey Island while planning all along to do something closer to Costume Quest or Stick Of Truth retardation.

The other is that he got way more money than Fargo did for example. He has a dev team and plenty of money, but what we got is basically shit in a sack and a slap in the face. I think WL 2 was not as good as Fallout but it is better than the original WL and it's about as good as can be expected for the time and money.

I was very pleased with the result, I think the people who were not pleased were expecting another fallout made for 90s budget by a company that had not made an RPG in ages and that's not terribly realistic.

But guys like yogventure etc. did even worse, true, but they got less money and had less real experience so it's not unexpected. And it's certain these guys won't be getting more money from insane retards.

After all the shit, somehow Timmy still gets people lined up to accept his load on their face.

That's all nice and good, but what confuses me is why you're so butthurt about it, calling people cucks left and right for the mere suggestion that Schafer isn't some kind of hipster scam-artist supervillain. What does it matter? Objectively speaking, he still fucks his clientele over less than most big game developers and publishers. Just laugh at the believers and move on.

 

[Neckbeard Shitlord]

That's all nice and good, but what confuses me is why you're so butthurt about it, calling people cucks left and right for the mere suggestion that Schafer isn't some kind of hipster scam-artist supervillain. What does it matter? Objectively speaking, he still fucks his clientele over less than most big game developers and publishers. Just laugh at the believers and move on.

I will never understand dumb posts like this one. I DONT LIKE UR POSTS BECAUSE U DONT LIKE SOME OTHER POSTS URR SO NOW I WILL SPAM AT YOU.

I'm not butthurt to anything because I ridicule the inanity of insane people like unkillable cat. I busted a gut laughing at the trash he posted about anthrax.

I made fun of him a bit then people exploded into mental illness over it and spun it to another thread. If you can't get the situation you are too retarded for message boards and probably for planet earth in general.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

I was just curious what about Schaefer and Psychonauts specifically made you so butthurt, but I suppose that's just your default state.

 

[Xor]

I thought the

tag would've given that away.

 

[Neckbeard Shitlord]

I was just curious what about Schaefer and Psychonauts specifically made you so butthurt, but I suppose that's just your default state.

I'm not butthurt, shit for brains. Morons like you talk shit to me and I respond.

 

[toro]

So, Fig name comes from this:

 

[Neckbeard Shitlord]

Perfect.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

Has this thread mentioned the other game: Psychonauts in the Rhombus of Ruin?



A Playstation VR title. "It tells the story of what happens immediately after the end of Psychonauts which was always left on a cliffhanger..." [rest of text omitted due to cross-promotion and money-begging]

The money begging is bad enough, but now they're throwing that "hard-earned" money away on a VR title?

This is approaching "CCP" levels of stupid.

 

[J_C]

Has this thread mentioned the other game: Psychonauts in the Rhombus of Ruin?



A Playstation VR title. "It tells the story of what happens immediately after the end of Psychonauts which was always left on a cliffhanger..." [rest of text omitted due to cross-promotion and money-begging]

The money begging is bad enough, but now they're throwing that "hard-earned" money away on a VR title?

This is approaching "CCP" levels of stupid.

They specifically mention that the fig money will be not used for this. And since it is a Playstaion VR exclusive, it is probably payed by Sony.

 

[aratuk]

I don't feel scammed.

Step A: Mention a big list of future updates and content to attract sales.
Step B: Claim you ran out of money, say the game is fine, slap a 1.0 to it and claim modders will fix it.

Man, that sounds like a classic Early Access bait and switch scam to me, maybe you should feel scammed.

Do you honestly think they were profiting from that game, and decided to quit while they were ahead, endure the harm to their reputation, and pocket all that money they were making?
No, I don't believe you could think that – you're just being glib & disingenuous. They were funding the development *with* early access revenue, which turned out to be unsustainable.

But, really, how do you feel about chemtrails?

 

[toro]

"We've always said that we wanted to make sequels to both Psychonauts and Brutal Legend ... We can't make any promises but if Psychonauts 2 is a success for us, then perhaps Brutal Legend 2 will be more possible?"

Oh Timmy, Timmy never changes.

 

[Metro]

Brutal Legend 2? Who would want a sequel to a terrible game?

 

[Starwars]

Well, plenty of people wanted a sequel to Fallout 3.

 

[Roguey]

Haha so the cliffhanger ending is going to be resolved in some crap no one's actually going to play? Bravo, Tim.