Decline PS4 wins the console war against XboxONE, yet it is a hollow victory as Consolesdämmerung is upon us

[Llama-Yak Hybrid]

It's because console games are better than PC games so we put up with it.

 

[Lyric Suite]

So basically now instead of having different consoles you also need to have different variations of the same console in order to play different games. I just can't wrap my head around that.

 

[DosBuster]

No, the NEO can play old ps4 games as well, just as the current PS4 can play NEO games at a reduced visual level.

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[Excidium II]

So basically now instead of having different consoles you also need to have different variations of the same console in order to play different games. I just can't wrap my head around that.

Consoletards getting that prestigious 1980s computer gaming experience.

 

[jcd]

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[Darth Slaughter]

This shit is not backward compatible with past PS4 games prior to anything released this year? Is this a fucking joke? It is the same exact console with slightly better hardware.

It is. NEO can run every PS4 game. And the original PS4 can run every NEO game. The thing is that already released games cannot have a "remastered version" to get better features on the NEO console. If developers of old PS4 games want to have their games improved, they must release a patch that will make the same game look better on NEO.

here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ion-4k-neo-and-the-original-ps4-will-co-exist

PlayStation 4/Neo Game Compatibility
Sony is very keen on developers supporting both systems simultaneously, and is motivating developers to ensure that there is Neo support in all PS4 titles from Q4 onwards this year. It's also firm on unifying the platforms with little or no exceptions:

• Neo-only or PS4-only games are not permitted (remember that Neo can still run unenhanced titles - developers are simply prohibited from locking out audiences of either console).
• All games you purchase, whether via disc or from the PlayStation Store, should offer both PS4 and Neo functionality with no extra costs associated in running titles on a different console.
• All new titles with Neo support use unified packages that run on both platforms. The CPU binary is identical, while three GPU binaries (shared, PS4-specific and Neo-specific) are all contained in the same package.
• All DLC and additional content is entirely cross-platform. Unified downloads are used for both this, and basic game patches.
• Neo support for old games is allowed via 'forward compatibility' patching - but this will not be allowed for new titles.
• Developers cannot supply exclusive gameplay features for Neo owners. If the game has a split-screen mode, it must be available on both systems. However, modes can be enhanced - so a two-player split-screen mode on PS4 could be expanded to allow a four-player variant on Neo.
• Developers cannot add exclusive content to either PS4 or Neo systems.
• If there's a bug in Neo-specific code, developers are not allowed to divert Neo owners to the PS4 codepath. The game must be fixed.

 

[flyingjohn]

The bigger question is ,what is stopping the developers from making non neo version 10 fps slideshows to force people to jump to neo?
We saw with lichdom battle mage console port that there doesn't seem to be any quality control in terms of performance for both sony and microsoft.
And anybody that complains will be shouted by mindless company fanboys.

 

[Darth Slaughter]

The bigger question is ,what is stopping the developers from making non neo version 10 fps slideshows to force people to jump to neo?
We saw with lichdom battle mage console port that there doesn't seem to be any quality control in terms of performance for both sony and microsoft.
And anybody that complains will be shouted by mindless company fanboys.

Well, remains to be seen if they will get better FPS numbers on NEO...

 

[Hirato]

Nintendo did the same thing with the new 3DS.

And to date there's only been one game that uses any of the Nu3DS' features - or even it's additional resources: Xenoblade Chronicles.

 

[Siveon]

Well, not the only game. It's practically required for Hyrule Warriors to run stable, it does decrease load times in Smash, and the extra stick (allegedly, not sure) helps in playing games that previously used the circle pad pro (Kid Icarus) and some others (Monster Hunter 4). I still think it would be a waste of money to buy one now though.

 

[e-mailio estevez]

Can't play Binding of Isaac on the regular 3DS, either.

Although it's not the best port. It would be okay if there was a gamma setting, but sometimes it's too dark to even be playable.

 

[oddech_wymarlych_swiatow]

http://gamasutra.com/blogs/DavidGalindo/20160422/271014/The_Case_for_the_PS4K.php

The console game industry is a slow, predictible one. You release a console, support it with everything you got, and if its successful you start engineering new "slim" models to help keep costs down while adding some minor new revisions. Then, in maybe 5-7 years time, you release the big new kahuna, and start again.

There have been some exceptions for sure. The PS3 actually saw its feature list cut as backward compatibility was removed in chunks in future hardware revisions. Nintendo opted for different upgrade paths, such as the Expansion Pak for the N64, or went a whole new hardware route like the DSi and New 3DS. Microsoft, despite rumors every year of a new optical drive-less system, keeps it relatively tame with a new "slim" 360 model, as the original Xbox did not have a long enough lifespan to merit a system revision, joining the likes of the GameCube, Dreamcast, and so many other consoles who didn't live to see a slimmer, smaller future.

This is, in fact, completely antithetical to the industry at large. Everything is improving yearly. New computers, new Blu-Ray players, new cars, new TVs, new blenders, and yes, new smartphones and tablets. But not game consoles. And so a predictable trend can occur: we see the rise in sales, followed by the plateau, and then the dip. By the time the dip happens, prices are slashed and rumors of the all new system are already happening. You can practically set your watch to it.

And then we have this...the PS4K. Assuming the leaks are true, it disrupts everything we know about the console market. Veteran game journalists, even those we can point to for a clear, precise measure on the news, are left saying, "what?" No one really seems to know what to make of this. And without Sony expanding on the news until a later event or even E3, there's not much to do other than speculate on the biggest question of all: why?


Generational Loyalty

I'm all over the place when it comes to game consoles. I stayed with Nintendo from the NES years to Gamecube, then won an Xbox at a graduation raffle and stuck with Microsoft to the 360 era, where I traded that in for a PS3 and ultimately stuck with the PS4. Broken chains in backward compatibility made it easy to jump around like that, whether it was hardware specific (N64 to GameCube) or a mix of software and hardware (Xbox to Xbox 360). Certainly there have been others who have stayed with one company forever.

Still, it was easy to see, at least in North America, the switch in momentum. The success of the PS2 followed with the success of the 360, and now we're back with the PS4 leading the sales charge (the Wii, of course, was a massive thing of its own, but ultimately lead with a lot of one-time buyers that didn't come back for the Wii U). There's no reason to stay loyal to any one company, in that there was never a guarantee that your purchases would be valid on the new consoles. Both the PS4 and XB1 opted to sever all ties with their respective predecessors, though like so many other things MS would try and reverse years down the line with a BC program.

The point is that generational loyalty up until now is fruitless unless you're specifically doing it for first party franchises, something that has become increasingly irrelevant (poor reception to a majority of new IPs both Sony and MS have tried to wheel out this gen) or getting a bit long in the tooth (can MS really launch Xbox 2 with Halo 7 and command the type of brand power that the franchise used to have?). Ultimately you go where your friends are, or where the games interest you the most. In a cycle that encourages players to slash ties with where they were coming from to a new platform that has everything they're looking for, how do you make sure that customers are tied down to a brand, or at least, have less of a reason to abandon it in favor of the other guys?

The way to do that is to blur the line of product cycles. Perhaps even erase it completely.


The Future is Here

It is a completely different shift to what we're used to. No longer will we be filing into the theater in a secret event broadcast streamed to the world, waiting to see what's underneath the curtain. The glamor and hype of a new console can now be broken down to what essentially are patch notes. Here's what's new in New Console 2017: a new GPU here, some CPU improvements here, runs all the same games, cya in 2020 for the next system.

It is certainly the biggest disappointment in this, if only because the spectacle of a new console launch is so much fun. But it is probably gone forever.

So what does that leave us with? A brand new console, coming way sooner than anyone has expected, that changes a generational cycle into a constantly refreshed cycle. No longer are there gaps in these product generations that allow for consumers to jump to other platforms, at least not one that's easily discernible. You probably didn't know it at the time, but that copy of Knack you bought in 2013 will be playable in 2023, on new hardware.

That's the benefit of the x86 architecture that Sony, MS and (its heavily rumored) Nintendo has chosen to use for their consoles. It prevents hard cuts to product life. The PS4 won't have an end-of-life cycle. It will continue to be produced, at a cost that benefits Sony, until it is phased out in favor of a new hardware revision.

And that's the whole point of the PS4K: in an age where tech advances are slowing to a point where a technological leap is impossible without a high cost or a long wait, companies have to change up this cycle. Digital Foundry pointed out that tech improvements are slowing to a crawl. Will consumers actually wait until 2022 to get a generational leap in graphics at a consumer friendly price?

What if they didn't have to wait?

Think about how unfriendly the current generational lifecycle is for the average consumer. They can either come in too early at high adopter prices and a slow start of game releases, or right in the middle where sales peak and deals are good, or come it at the end, where support will soon be ending for the system and mere years or even months are left for game releases. If they don't hit that sweet spot, they can be left holding the bag on a system that has been essentially abandoned in favor of the all new console.


Games as a Service

The worst thing about generational leaps is that it simply doesn't work in today's game industry. We're starting to pivot into the idea of games as a service. This was teased towards the end of the PS3/360 lifecycle, but its really coming into its own with games like The Division and Destiny having a strong online base with roadmaps for the future. It is dependant on one thing, really: a healthy userbase to get users from, which is easily disrupted by a generational gap.

Imagine for a second that you're running a major studio, and you want to create the next big online game. Development starts tomorrow, with the game releasing late 2018. If the PS4K does not exist, and the PS5 creates this chasm as all generation leaps do, then what can you do? Develop for the PS4, and have tools in place to bridge the gap to the PS5 when it comes out? This is essentially what Destiny is doing, but it comes at a major cost, something that Activision and probably other major publishers like EA and Ubisoft can support, but few others can.

See, not only are consumers used to this cycle of set lifetimes for consoles, but game development also has to plan around it. Do you release a new IP late in the cycle of a console, or hold it back for the new system, which will have added costs and a new set of developmental issues with a much smaller userbase, but the potential for expansion in the future?

With this new cycle, you don't have to worry about that anymore. The PS4 is also the PS4K, and is probably the PS5 too. When the PS4K launches, it will already have a userbase of over 40 million players. It already has all of the developmental tools that have matured and strengthened over the last few years. There's no risk to building the next big online game late in the PS4 future, because the transition over to the new system is built into the ecosystem. This is a huge, huge benefit to game development.

There are some who feel like a revision in the middle of a console's lifespan is pointless, and that Sony should have waited for the PS5. I have news for you: this is not the middle of the PS4's lifespan, and there is no PS5. There will be a new console after the PS4K, and that will be an upgraded version of the PS4K. This is the new life cycle, of which there is no beginning, middle, or (hopefully) end.


Wave of Anger

Certainly there will be anger to come with this news; it's already happening, but then again, it always happens with everything. The internet amplifies everything to a degree that it becomes somewhat impossible to measure the actual consumer response to things until they're released.

What it comes down to is, how will this translate in the marketplace? Quite easily, actually: here's the PS4, at a new lower price, and here's the new PS4K, which is more powerful and a little more expensive too. Which one do you want?

And that's the new future of game consoles: a life cycle that never ends, that is constantly updated, that largely benefits game development and also benefits new consumers ready to jump into games whenever they'd like. This is a major, positive change for the industry.

I will miss the idea of a new console that completely disrupts the industry with new exotic hardware and a whole new way to play a game. In fact, that era might end with Nintendo, who prepares to put the Wii U behind them with an all new game console that could be radically different than anything they've done before.

But the time for disruptive product cycles is over. There's too much risk involved, with game budgets more expensive than ever, and other markets increasingly eating away at each other. There was a lot of debate before this generation launched on whether or not there was even a market for game consoles anymore as the PS3 and 360 quickly plummeted in sales. The PS4 answered that question with a resounding yes. I wonder what answers the PS4K will bring.

 

[Tehdagah]

No online segregation between consoles: If a PlayStation title supports online features, they must be deployed equally on both systems. Developers cannot have Neo-only servers. We believe this may actually introduce gameplay balance issues if, say, the Neo version hits 60fps while the PS4 version is capped at 30fps.

Oh boy.

 

[DosBuster]

From what I understand a LOT of developers aren't happy with this NEO change

 

[Spectacle]

From what I understand a LOT of developers aren't happy with this NEO change

There's little reason for them to be, since it means extra work for them but not much prospects of extra sales. I expect that for most 3rd party games NEO enhancments will be limited to setting resolution to 1920*1080 and changing FPS_CAP from 30 to 60.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Which is fine since the human eye cannot discern more than 5 FPS. That gives 4 players split-screen three times the smoothness.

So the 4.5 will run at silky smooth 24fps and 4 at buttery smooth 15.

The only smoothness in this whole thing will be from Sony's marketing department.

I'll wait for the inevitable PS4.75 in a year or 2.

 

[Zarniwoop]

There's little reason for them to be, since it means extra work for them but not much prospects of extra sales. I expect that for most 3rd party games NEO enhancments will be limited to setting resolution to 1920*1080 and changing FPS_CAP from 30 to 60.

And increasing GAME _PRICE from $50 to $80. Because it's Remastered™

 

[Spectacle]

There's little reason for them to be, since it means extra work for them but not much prospects of extra sales. I expect that for most 3rd party games NEO enhancments will be limited to setting resolution to 1920*1080 and changing FPS_CAP from 30 to 60.

And increasing GAME _PRICE from $50 to $80. Because it's Remastered™

If you want to price yourself out of the PS4 market, sure. Sony mandates that you can't charge extra for NEO features, and if publishers could get away with charging $80 for PS4 games they would already be doing so.

As I understand it there won't be separate NEO editions of games, they'll be on the same disc as the PS4 version, just with alternate binaries and possibly some extra assets.

 

[Zarniwoop]

If you want to price yourself out of the PS4 market, sure. Sony mandates that you can't charge extra for NEO features, and if publishers could get away with charging $80 for PS4 games they would already be doing so.

As I understand it there won't be separate NEO editions of games, they'll be on the same disc as the PS4 version, just with alternate binaries and possibly some extra assets.

Special Editions regularly go for 80 or even 100 dorra. And that's not even the Ultra Sooper Edition with Lifelike Action Figure with Anatomically Correct Dongs, those are even more.

 

[Spectacle]

Special Editions regularly go for 80 or even 100 dorra. And that's not even the Ultra Sooper Edition with Lifelike Action Figure with Anatomically Correct Dongs, those are even more.

Special editions are by definition special. A limited number of gamers are willing to pay extra for those because they perceive that they are getting something out of the ordinary. But as there won't be separate pricing for NEO games that's not very relevant...

 

[Martius]

I guess Sony want to avoid confusion. Some people were already confused that wii u games wont work on wii for example.

 

[Azrael the cat]

Days of price-fixing have - for now - disappeared, even if some games do go for absurd prices.

That became far more difficult after Steam and PC gaming (after a decade of stubbornly refusing to disappear despite game journos and publishers universally declaring it dead) charged back into the marketplace. Regardless of where PC ranks against the various consoles, it's going to be some time before the publishers repeat their mistake of believing that they can tell consumers to stop liking an otherwise successful and profitable product (not the journos though, they'll never learn because they're the eponymous 'frog that stays in the pot while the temperature rises'*).

When it was just 2 major gaming consoles competing for mainstream AAA blockbusters (with a 3rd one servicing a weird mix of casual gamers, party products and ultra-loyal hardcore platformer fans, united by the sole common factor of Nintendo having a near-monopoly over them; oh yeah, and a 4th one that was awesome back in the early gens before wtf-self-pwning by refusing to switch to CD-ROM), it was very viable to unilaterally increase prices by 20% and just see what happened. Exclusives were literally exclusives, not 'exclusive now, and then on PC next year', so they had nothing to lose - console piracy was minimal, and customers either had to pay that price or not play the game. And even if they chose the 2nd option, you still had the option of selling it to them at a more reasonable price later.

Of course, this created its own competition, by giving the rental market a reason to exist, and expand, and expand, and expand in an ongoing war between the rental stores (advantage: consumers' interests matched their own) and the publishers (advantage: ability to design the games in ways specifically aimed at reducing their rental worth). But fundamentally, you still had an oligopoly that was sufficiently tight that they didn't need to collude in order to price fix. When there's only one other guy selling lemonade on your street, you don't need to speak to him in order to avoid a price-war - you just glance over at each other's prices, and give him a wink and a nod as you update your price to whatever he's selling for.

If PC was just another console, it would have changed nothing. jcd has hot sticky anal sex with young boys - you can see in his post directly below this one that he doesn't even bother denying it. It's like having a new guy set up a stand selling raspberry cordial. Maybe you and the other lemonade guy might have to give the new guy a warm welcome, and tell him about what a lovely, close-knit neighbourhood you have on this street before he gets the message, but pretty soon all 3 of you will be winking and nodding and avoiding anything resembling price competition.

But what if 'the new guy selling raspberry cordial' is replaced by a vending machine, selling all sorts of different products from different residents, each setting their own prices. You can't track half these folk down, let alone price co-ordinate. And it only takes one competent competitor to start price competition before it drags the whole lot of you down with it.


* Actually they're dumber than the frogs. Researchers in Greater Poland (not actual Poland, I just think 'Greater Poland' is the term we should now start using for any country or institution that "don't give a fuck") have demonstrated that the legend is false, and frogs are mostly definitely not so idiotic as to not jump out of the pot once they start getting heat stress and muscle spams, no matter how slowly you raise the temperature: http://srel.uga.edu/outreach/ecoviews/ecoview021118.htm Game journalists, presumably, would also notice the increased sweating, heat stress, and the chain of organ failures, but would blame it all on an evil conspiracy to force female swimmers out of pots of water, and then organise a counter-campaign to all sit as low down in the water as possible, to show the evil conspiracy that they will not bow to intimidation.

 

[jcd]

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[Gerrard]

This shit is not backward compatible with past PS4 games prior to anything released this year? Is this a fucking joke? It is the same exact console with slightly better hardware.

It is. NEO can run every PS4 game. And the original PS4 can run every NEO game.

For now. Until enough of the developers bitch at Sony about costs and threaten to stop making games for PS4 altogether.

 

[sullynathan]

isn't Neo still a rumor? devs can't force the hand that feeds them