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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]
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Sharpedge
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If you move off of the platform in the sacred lands puzzle, then the UI stops covering it. Just standing on the bridges rather than on the platforms themselves prevents this from being an issue. There is nothing "cancerous" about that guess either, considering it takes like 2 minutes to completely configure them one way or the other.
Anyhow, RPGs are not puzzle games, so I am not expecting puzzles in the way of Myst. Puzzles like the Sacred land are fine and the other puzzles would have been ok if the UI for placing pieces in and removing them was less clunky.
As others have said you need to align every bit one by one and have a party member stand on every bit so it stops rotating. Not quest related and the rewards aren't very good unless you use scimitars because you can find a good one there. I would still call it a puzzle albeit a bad one. Those things are nothing new in gaming tbh, older games have a really bad habit of including extremely obtuse puzzles to pad the runtime and sell strategy guides, so I guess owlcat is just keeping it classic.
They can and they will, which is why you should build Ember to be a nuker. She can get hellfire ray on two seperate spell levels, meaning that with abundant casting she can have like 20 servings combined of that shit. Bombs can crit too afaik, which makes Mutasafen a real dick.Hellfire and Coldray can crit?!
Sorry but "if you do this very specific thing it solves the problem that shouldn't be present in the first place" is not a point in the game's favour. Seems like you guessed better than I did on that one and somehow blasted through it in 2 minutes but I've seen better puzzles at any rate. Of course RPGs aren't puzzlers but that's no excuse. If you choose to include puzzles you may as well make them good.
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I don't use both her Hellfire spells. But I got Bolster and Empower so I can cast it as lvl 6, Bolstered is lvl 7, Empowered is lvl 8 and both is lvl 9As others have said you need to align every bit one by one and have a party member stand on every bit so it stops rotating. Not quest related and the rewards aren't very good unless you use scimitars because you can find a good one there. I would still call it a puzzle albeit a bad one. Those things are nothing new in gaming tbh, older games have a really bad habit of including extremely obtuse puzzles to pad the runtime and sell strategy guides, so I guess owlcat is just keeping it classic.
They can and they will, which is why you should build Ember to be a nuker. She can get hellfire ray on two seperate spell levels, meaning that with abundant casting she can have like 20 servings combined of that shit. Bombs can crit too afaik, which makes Mutasafen a real dick.Hellfire and Coldray can crit?!
Sorry but "if you do this very specific thing it solves the problem that shouldn't be present in the first place" is not a point in the game's favour. Seems like you guessed better than I did on that one and somehow blasted through it in 2 minutes but I've seen better puzzles at any rate. Of course RPGs aren't puzzlers but that's no excuse. If you choose to include puzzles you may as well make them good.
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There was no guessing involved since the colours correspond to the colour of a rock, I just mentally made a note of each switch I would need to flip in order to reach an outcome where they are all in 1 state and then went along and flipped them accordingly.
Well if it worksI don't use both her Hellfire spells. But I got Bolster and Empower so I can cast it as lvl 6, Bolstered is lvl 7, Empowered is lvl 8 and both is lvl 9
And you guessed correctly the state in which they needed to be in. You were just as likely to assume wrong and focus on getting the blocks down instead of up.
Strangely-enough, I've noticed a spell-crit only recently, though "Ember-the-Hellfire-Minigunnist" has been with me for at least the whole Abyss chapter. And to be honest:
So i have come up with an amusing observation these days, mostly due to prolific activity of one forum member with less than a year of history. I think he represents a typical Western player well enough.
Kingmaker was released with game breaking bugs, with a very complicated combat system that was thoroughly implemented, and with encounters that were reasonable, but happened to be game stopping. The first fight with the assassin in the prologue; the spider swarms in the fangberry cave; the first electrical nobility in the Old Sycamore. Owlcat Games were bombarded with bad reviews for hard fights, complex systems, trick enemies, timed quests and the strategic layer that could ruin the run. The Kingmaker's audience remained a niche at least until the latest Epic giveaway.
Owlcat Games learned their lessons and made changes. They added a lot of UI improvements and tutorials to explain the Pathfinder role playing system. Losing the crusade will not lose the game anymore. The crusade difficulty does not scale up to Unfair - the maximum is always "normal". All the timers are optional, and the game cannot be lost due to poor timing. At no point in the prologue the main hero has to fight alone, and for the starting party of 3 there is Anevia, who is immortal and one-shots everything. Also, the first enemy that can be considered tricky is a Shadow Demon, who happens at level 4-5.
The game has become simpler, more accessible, and the Steam reviews and sales followed. The audience expanded, and, according to Sturgeon's law, 90% of this new audience are crap. Now Wrath is criticized for complex puzzles, for "inclusivity", and for a completely optional enemy in the second half of the game.
I see a positive feedback loop here, which some might call "a death spiral". Every simplification of the game brings in a new audience that requires more simplification which would bring even more new audience. I am far from calling Wrath a "dumbing down", but it is simpler to understand and more accessible than Kingmaker.
What's next? Which iteration will become "dumbed down" for good? The 3d? The 4th? When will we have to jump ship and look for another Underrail developer who would be at the beginning of this inevitable death spiral?
Also remember, that, as I have written after the interview with Mr. Mishulin, it seems that the Owlcat top creative minds are purposefully guarded from direct interaction with the gamers. So they, probably, are having a synopsis of the general opinion, which means they are made to follow the dumbest part of the herd.
Kingmaker was released with game breaking bugs, with a very complicated combat system that was thoroughly implemented, and with encounters that were reasonable, but happened to be game stopping. The first fight with the assassin in the prologue; the spider swarms in the fangberry cave; the first electrical nobility in the Old Sycamore. Owlcat Games were bombarded with bad reviews for hard fights, complex systems, trick enemies, timed quests and the strategic layer that could ruin the run. The Kingmaker's audience remained a niche at least until the latest Epic giveaway.
Owlcat Games learned their lessons and made changes. They added a lot of UI improvements and tutorials to explain the Pathfinder role playing system. Losing the crusade will not lose the game anymore. The crusade difficulty does not scale up to Unfair - the maximum is always "normal". All the timers are optional, and the game cannot be lost due to poor timing. At no point in the prologue the main hero has to fight alone, and for the starting party of 3 there is Anevia, who is immortal and one-shots everything. Also, the first enemy that can be considered tricky is a Shadow Demon, who happens at level 4-5.
The game has become simpler, more accessible, and the Steam reviews and sales followed. The audience expanded, and, according to Sturgeon's law, 90% of this new audience are crap. Now Wrath is criticized for complex puzzles, for "inclusivity", and for a completely optional enemy in the second half of the game.
I see a positive feedback loop here, which some might call "a death spiral". Every simplification of the game brings in a new audience that requires more simplification which would bring even more new audience. I am far from calling Wrath a "dumbing down", but it is simpler to understand and more accessible than Kingmaker.
What's next? Which iteration will become "dumbed down" for good? The 3d? The 4th? When will we have to jump ship and look for another Underrail developer who would be at the beginning of this inevitable death spiral?
Also remember, that, as I have written after the interview with Mr. Mishulin, it seems that the Owlcat top creative minds are purposefully guarded from direct interaction with the gamers. So they, probably, are having a synopsis of the general opinion, which means they are made to follow the dumbest part of the herd.
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Where is interview with Mishulin, link please
Nowhere. There is an audio file that I made from the recording. Look through my posts, it might still be available.
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An oversimplified and partially dishonest take.
A strawman in other words
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The puzzles are annoying and often needlessly obtuse, not "complex". There is nothing complex about solving a jigsaw puzzle with barely discernable pieces. So the guy is right, but failed to grasp the actual issue.
And I very much doubt there was any complaining about the woke shit outside of 4ch and this place. Because Owlcat ban anyone who criticizes it on their forum.
Oof christ Aivu trying to get me killed here by wiping out the slave market. Had to break out the legendary proportions on this one. Felt right thematically though. The loot's not worth it btw unless you use fauchards and want a new pair of +5 bracers.
Does anyone know how to stop the game from creating a potion during the camping? I mean, once I've selected a potion, I can only change it to different one. Can't seem to cancel the potion creating altogether. I *have* to create a potion during the camping or change the character to one that doesn't meet the requirement. But that is not good, because other characters don't have that much skill for cooking. Wtf :D
Is there good loot in the hidden abode? That encounter is a bit cancer and idk if the hassle of beating it is worth it.
EDIT: That question was answered like 400 pages ago. You get the CHA tome and a cold iron bar. One is redundant with the +2 everything potion you get later and there are plenty other bars around. In conclusion, not worth the hassle.
EDIT: That question was answered like 400 pages ago. You get the CHA tome and a cold iron bar. One is redundant with the +2 everything potion you get later and there are plenty other bars around. In conclusion, not worth the hassle.
Can't you just deselect the people in the cooking slot? I wouldn't know tbh I never cook anything.
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How about pressing on the selected potion in the list so it becomes unselected?
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Another character can use +2 Cha tome. Any companion can use it.
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