Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[ga♥]

Got my (Kickstarter) collector's edition. Mixed feelings about this...


Rest of pics (more bubblewrap in there) https://imgur.com/a/Yv78WqO

The map seems really nice.

 

[Western]

purpleblob Except they aren't. Deadfire has better scores from critics and users. It has already won GOTY awards from the worlds largest PC gaming magazine and worlds longest running PC gaming magazine. 20 times as many people finish it over Kingmaker.

Kingmaker's popularity on the codex is largely contrarianism, due to spending three years fostering a vitriolic anti-Obsidian circlejerk. Yet as soon as turn-based mode for Deadfire was announced, this thread died until I started posting about its pathetic completion rate.

Obsidian used to make buggy albeit appealing storyfag games. Their POE outings have been more technically competent, but weaker storyfag wise. Some people are holding out hope for The Outer Worlds, but long term the Microsoft acquisition means there is no hope for Obsidian.

My biggest criticism of POE is that it feels like it's made/balanced more like an MMO, rather than a traditional RPG, making it turn based is not the answer, the gameplay would be more enjoyable by going the opposite way mirroring competent Diablo clones (like Path of Exile).

Appealing to reviews is also meaningless, Oblivion has a better metacritic score than Deadfire (I'd rather play Deadfire). Not that Deadfire is a bad game, it just needed to make the main quest line more compelling, overhaul the combat system (I don't think turn based is the answer for its mechanics but I'm willing to try) and expand the seafaring mechanics.

 

[ga♥]

Maybe POE2, Western, POE1 was a huge mess. People cry about kingmaker loading times, but POE1 was much worse, each area was 5 mins of life lost.
And huuuuge bugs at release.

Surprisingly, Tides of Numenera had really bearable loading times and nearly no bugs at release.

 

[Western]

Maybe POE2, Western, POE1 was a huge mess. People cry about kingmaker loading times, but POE1 was much worse, each area was 5 mins of life lost.
And huuuuge bugs.

Surprisingly, Tides of Numenera had really bearable loading times and nearly no bugs at release.

I personally didn't any game breaking POE bugs at release, but I got some extremely annoying ones, there was a bug that affected the movement speed of my monk that was especially annoying, and 2-3 quest breaking bugs. On the upside it was patched relatively quickly (load times weren't great I agree).

 

[Infinitron]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/announcements/detail/1720837068969394525

Merry Christmas!
25 DECEMBER - WOODEN_DRAGON

Dear Pathfinders!
The Owlcat Games team, along with the baron's team, wish you a Merry Christmas and all the good, and all the loot!

 

[ga♥]

Who is the 2nd from the left?

 

[archaen]

Who is the 2nd from the left?

That's the reveal that Valerie was a tranny all along. Zhe forgot to shave for Christmas.

edit: My four year old son asks who that boy is when her picture splashes up on the loading screen.

 

[Funposter]

Who is the 2nd from the left?

is it the first custom portrait available to the player?

 

[Lawntoilet]

Who is the 2nd from the left?

I think it's the premade character Hedwirg, he's in most of the storybook episode illustrations.

 

[Seethe]

purpleblob Except they aren't. Deadfire has better scores from critics and users. It has already won GOTY awards from the worlds largest PC gaming magazine and worlds longest running PC gaming magazine. 20 times as many people finish it over Kingmaker.

Kingmaker's popularity on the codex is largely contrarianism, due to spending three years fostering a vitriolic anti-Obsidian circlejerk. Yet as soon as turn-based mode for Deadfire was announced, this thread died until I started posting about its pathetic completion rate.

POE is a surprising mix. It has some quality but with it comes corporate watering down. It seems like a game which wants to be nice and likeable to everyone instead of trying to be something great or even particulary good.
It also has a lot of incompetence (systems balance, writing), but incompetence without pretense for something great or fun. I can appreciate failure if someone tried to do something interesting, but they seem to be stumbling all the time without trying to do something particulary worthwhile.

Kingmaker is just on another level compared to POE.
Bugs or some overpowered builds of Kingmaker are nothing compared to fundamentally boring game systems or inconsistent and unfocused narrative of POE.

Yeah, it's just on another level. If that level includes not showing the negative effects on enemies, or tooltips not telling you what your ability does. Really induces a noggin joggening. 2 hours into the game, and it's full of fatal flaws such as these. The tooltips are simply the worst, dispersing contradictory and misleading information to the left and right. What does ray of slickening do? It provides no numbers, nothing.

EDIT: You can actually check enemy stats if you press Y and click on them. And do some math. Still, this sucks.

Also, how do you plan your build in this game? Where can I see what spells I can get at level 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9? Oh that's right, you can't. Nothing's better than DnD based video games with no rulebooks in-game. It has an encyclopedia, but it's all fluff. Because I really care how much a boar weighs.

 

[Yosharian]

Yeah, it's just on another level. If that level includes not showing the negative effects on enemies, or tooltips not telling you what your ability does. Really induces a noggin joggening. 2 hours into the game, and it's full of fatal flaws such as these. The tooltips are simply the worst, dispersing contradictory and misleading information to the left and right. What does ray of slickening do? It provides no numbers, nothing. The only way to know what it does, is wait for an NPC to cast it on you, then look through your character sheet to see the aftermath. You can't see how the enemies are affected either. A half-assed and situational workaroud is you click on them in the combat log after they attacked you post debuff, and deduce from it how their attacks are affected by your debuffs based on their rolls.

Also, how do you plan your build in this game? Where can I see what spells I can get at level 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9? Oh that's right, you can't.

Yeah, these things are pretty bad.

Kingmaker is still better than PoE.

 

[Elex]

purpleblob Except they aren't. Deadfire has better scores from critics and users. It has already won GOTY awards from the worlds largest PC gaming magazine and worlds longest running PC gaming magazine. 20 times as many people finish it over Kingmaker.

Kingmaker's popularity on the codex is largely contrarianism, due to spending three years fostering a vitriolic anti-Obsidian circlejerk. Yet as soon as turn-based mode for Deadfire was announced, this thread died until I started posting about its pathetic completion rate.

POE is a surprising mix. It has some quality but with it comes corporate watering down. It seems like a game which wants to be nice and likeable to everyone instead of trying to be something great or even particulary good.
It also has a lot of incompetence (systems balance, writing), but incompetence without pretense for something great or fun. I can appreciate failure if someone tried to do something interesting, but they seem to be stumbling all the time without trying to do something particulary worthwhile.

Kingmaker is just on another level compared to POE.
Bugs or some overpowered builds of Kingmaker are nothing compared to fundamentally boring game systems or inconsistent and unfocused narrative of POE.

Yeah, it's just on another level. If that level includes not showing the negative effects on enemies, or tooltips not telling you what your ability does. Really induces a noggin joggening. 2 hours into the game, and it's full of fatal flaws such as these. The tooltips are simply the worst, dispersing contradictory and misleading information to the left and right. What does ray of slickening do? It provides no numbers, nothing.

EDIT: You can actually check enemy stats if you press Y and click on them. And do some math. Still, this sucks.

Also, how do you plan your build in this game? Where can I see what spells I can get at level 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9? Oh that's right, you can't. Nothing's better than DnD based video games with no rulebooks in-game. It has an encyclopedia, but it's all fluff. Because I really care how much a boar weighs.

you use rulebook.

 

[Grunker]

Real busy december at work, now: vacation and vidya games. How much did the game get patched yet?

EDIT:

The only way to know what it does, is wait for an NPC to cast it on you, then look through your character sheet to see the aftermath. You can't see how the enemies are affected either

Ooookay, still prudent to wait, I take it?

you use rulebook.

Correct me if I'm wrong but many rules have changed, especially on the higher difficulties, no? I've posted some PNP examples as answers in the old thread, and a few of those were not representative of the ingame implementation.

 

[Morkar Left]

How stable is the game? Are there still bugfixes needed? Any gamebreaking bugs? How is balancing especially regarding to changes to the pnp rule set (sneak attack especially)?

 

[Elex]

Real busy december at work, now: vacation and vidya games. How much did the game get patched yet?

EDIT:

The only way to know what it does, is wait for an NPC to cast it on you, then look through your character sheet to see the aftermath. You can't see how the enemies are affected either

Ooookay, still prudent to wait, I take it?

you use rulebook.

Correct me if I'm wrong but many rules have changed, especially on the higher difficulties, no? I've posted some PNP examples as answers in the old thread, and a few of those were not representative of the ingame implementation.

the fun part is during some stream paizo people where happy about stuff like the “multiple stacked sneak attack” implementation.

 

[Shadenuat]

No they were OK with 2 dudes 1 sneak mechanic, I don't remember ever anyone talking about sneak stacking.

That's the reveal that Valerie was a tranny all along

Valerie is in the kitchen I guess

 

[Yosharian]

I still haven't got further than the Stag Lord quest. Waiting for 1.2 to drop. Dead game my arse.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The best part of the asshurt PoE fanboys rattling off the bad things about this game is that despite all the flaws it's still a better game than dumpsterfire.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

This topic died off because:
#2 Atom has been released and by all accounts it is a good game so people moved there.

>Atom
>good game

Are you fucking kidding me? Atom is a shitty clone of Fallout 1, that didn't lived up to original, what the fuck you talking about?

 

[PrettyDeadman]

This topic died off because:
#2 Atom has been released and by all accounts it is a good game so people moved there.

>Atom
>good game

Are you fucking kidding me? Atom is a shitty clone of Fallout 1, that didn't lived up to original, what the fuck you talking about?

Fallout 2 didn't live up to the original either, but it's still a decent game.

 

[ArchAngel]

This topic died off because:
#2 Atom has been released and by all accounts it is a good game so people moved there.

>Atom
>good game

Are you fucking kidding me? Atom is a shitty clone of Fallout 1, that didn't lived up to original, what the fuck you talking about?

I have not played it yet but I have been reading the topic and almost everyone is praising it. You are first person on 'Dex that I have seen say anything negative about it.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Fallout 2 didn't live up to the original either, but it's still a decent game.

Don't start this awful "Fallout 2 worse than first game" shit, because
1) it's simply not true
2) Atom can't stand even near to Fallout 2, you can't seriously say that Atom equal to Fallout 2 in quality, lol.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

I have not played it yet but I have been reading the topic and almost everyone is praising it. You are first person on 'Dex that I have seen say anything negative about it.

You also can hear praises to EA on certain forums, but does it make BFV a good game? Besides, why you said that Atom is good game if you didn't played it, lol? I played Atom and I didn't liked this game, maybe I wrong in something, but at least I don't blindly rely on Codexers opinion.

 

[ArchAngel]

I have not played it yet but I have been reading the topic and almost everyone is praising it. You are first person on 'Dex that I have seen say anything negative about it.

You also can hear praises to EA on certain forums, but does it make BFV a good game? Besides, why you said that Atom is good game if you didn't played it, lol? I played Atom and I didn't liked this game, maybe I wrong in something, but at least I don't blindly rely on Codexers opinion.

Then you are on the wrong forum. More often than not, my tastes align with what 'Dex agrees with.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Then you are on the wrong forum. More often than not, my tastes align with what 'Dex agrees with.

Or maybe I am on right forum and you act right now like an idiot who use game (which you didn't even played) as argument in discussion while claiming that this game is good "cuz many people post in topic"?
I mean, in Deadfire many people discussed game to and there was shitload fanbois too, but "somehow" you don't consider this game as good (while it's perfectly fits in your logic as example).