Mortmal
Arcane
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- Jun 15, 2009
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There's a big difference still, no saves at all and instant on everyone , you can min max melee character with 20 str and 5 charisma from the beggining and get better feats . Bard is a character i'd use in any party for that alone, then the buffs. Have to install the autobuffer mod , else its too much work.In fact rather than power attack and cornugon smash you could just usually use lizzie applying shaken automatically with dirge of doom, this is just too good to not use .You should keep weapon focus -> dazzling display -> shatter defenses on any melee char and pick vital strike instead of cornugon smash for exemple . You dont even need to raise cha and persuasion.I gave up completely and made him a single class thug. It's actually awesome. He's got 6 skills including use magic device so wands and scrolls would work for personal buffs if he's alone for some reason. When he's not Jubilost, Linzi and Harrim can buff him. OMG the feats! The simplicity! It's such a relief. This is my first actual rogue but here's what I've done:
Human
Str: 13 (14 if get 20 point. Who cares what happens after 20 anyway? Game's over)
Dex: 20 (24)
Con: 12
Int: 10
Wis: 8
Cha:14
1. Power attack, toughness, bonus feat finesse
2. Martial weapons prof
3. Two weapon fighting
4. Kukri focus
5. Double slice
6. Dazzling display
7. Cornugon smash
8. Improved two weapon fighting
9. Shatter defenses
10. Double debilitation
Skills:
Mobility
Trickery
Stealth
Perception
Persuasion
Use magic device
All get the max possible with my stats.
Honestly I just picked feats that seemed good with no plan and it's better than anything I have made lately. Certainly any multiclass build I've made. This will do. This will more than do! I don't think I need to plan the rest really. Improved critical, critical focus and staggering critical seem like obvious choices, as does greater two-weapon fighting. Other than that I'll just take whatever advanced rogue talents seem cool.
Yeah that isn’t really worth it anymore since you have to turn off Inspire Courage to turn on Dirge. Used to be able to use Linger to stack them. Frightful Aspect also has the auto-Shaken but that’s 8th level spell. In Wrath made save on Fear also gives Shaken for a turn.
Or you can just use legit means like Dreadful, Cornugan, Dazzling, and Demoralize.
It's one of the few must have you get very early, like mirror image for melee characters and the haste spell .