Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[Cael]

Desiderius i know that mixing caster and martial classes is not good idea but do you think if BG1 party of khalid, jaheira,branwen,coran,imoen, is viable recreation in PFKM on normal difficulty settings?

Hrm. Pathfinder is bloated enough where you don't necessarily need to multiclass. It's got niches for everybody, even if they are not all created equal.

Khalid = Magus
Jaheria = Druid (Defender of the True World)
Branwen = Cleric (Crusader)
Coran = Slayer (Spawn Slayer)
Imoen = Arcane Trickster or Eldritch Scoundrel (AT preferred)

That would probably work in just about any campaign. Especially since you still have +1 for MC. Maybe do a bard or Hospitaler paladin. I found it Hospitaler to be a great MC.

Khalid was a pure fighter, not even a fighter/mage...

 

[Cael]

Makes charging them in to a pack of spectres profitable and hilarious.

I haven't encountered those yet in KM.

Do they create spawn, as in tabletop, which can then be killed for more XP?

Nope. But it saves your real guys from being level drained, do damage (sometimes massive damage), and delay them enough that by the time they get past the ACs, you'd have ample time to destroy the living crap out of them. Plus ACs have Improved Evasion and high Ref saves, so dropping multiple fireballs into that melee is not a problem.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Cael You're right. I don't know why I thought he was a fighter/mage. Too much modding maybe. It's been a long time.

So then Khalid should be a Tower Shield Specialist, since they drop the Bravery class feature.

 

[Desiderius]

Desiderius i know that mixing caster and martial classes is not good idea but do you think if BG1 party of khalid, jaheira,branwen,coran,imoen, is viable recreation in PFKM on normal difficulty settings?

I’m not sure what you’re asking.

A comparable experience would probably be:

Val
Amiri (with Ranger or Druid lvls)
Octavia
Ekun
Linzi

Which is solid enough I guess though missing a Divine Caster so MC could fill that gap. Amiri’s WIS is too low to be a realistic Fighter/Cleric.

Unlike BG inactive companions still get EXP so it can benefit you to mix and match for different challenges. Some locations force this.

Sry i badly communicated it.I need mercenaries to MIMIC BG1 companions.Like @Mr. Magniloquent said coran= Spawn slayer mercenarie

BG1 didn't have Mercs. Play a new game. It's fun.

 

[Cyberarmy]

You could always create full party in BG1 via multiplayer.

Edit: Also most BG1 companions are kinda like mercs already after recuiting them.

 

[Iskramor]

Desiderius i know that mixing caster and martial classes is not good idea but do you think if BG1 party of khalid, jaheira,branwen,coran,imoen, is viable recreation in PFKM on normal difficulty settings?

I’m not sure what you’re asking.

A comparable experience would probably be:

Val
Amiri (with Ranger or Druid lvls)
Octavia
Ekun
Linzi

Which is solid enough I guess though missing a Divine Caster so MC could fill that gap. Amiri’s WIS is too low to be a realistic Fighter/Cleric.

Unlike BG inactive companions still get EXP so it can benefit you to mix and match for different challenges. Some locations force this.

Sry i badly communicated it.I need mercenaries to MIMIC BG1 companions.Like @Mr. Magniloquent said coran= Spawn slayer mercenarie

BG1 didn't have Mercs. Play a new game. It's fun.

Sry my english is horrible lol.I want to recreate my bg1 party.I installed PFKM today and my whole game is having yellow hue filter.Nothing helped so im redownloading again.Fuck Owlcat.

 

[Desiderius]

Desiderius i know that mixing caster and martial classes is not good idea but do you think if BG1 party of khalid, jaheira,branwen,coran,imoen, is viable recreation in PFKM on normal difficulty settings?

I’m not sure what you’re asking.

A comparable experience would probably be:

Val
Amiri (with Ranger or Druid lvls)
Octavia
Ekun
Linzi

Which is solid enough I guess though missing a Divine Caster so MC could fill that gap. Amiri’s WIS is too low to be a realistic Fighter/Cleric.

Unlike BG inactive companions still get EXP so it can benefit you to mix and match for different challenges. Some locations force this.

Sry i badly communicated it.I need mercenaries to MIMIC BG1 companions.Like @Mr. Magniloquent said coran= Spawn slayer mercenarie

BG1 didn't have Mercs. Play a new game. It's fun.

Sry my english is horrible lol.I want to recreate my bg1 party.I installed PFKM today and my whole game is having yellow hue filter.Nothing helped so im redownloading again.Fuck Owlcat.

If you want to recreate BG experience play P:K companions.

 

[EdgyRightWinger]

It's frustrating how the story companions generally don't support certain multi classing options.

Paladin: Ekun is the only one Lawful Good character and he has 10 CHA.
Monk: Of the two Lawful characters, Ekun has 13 WIS and Valerie has 15 CHA.
Sorc: Nobody has more than 16 CHA. Of those who do, Tristian has spent three levels elsewhere and Regongar has spent two, so they are too far behind. Your only shot is with Linzi, just enjoy being one level and 4 points of CHA behind a merc.
Wizard: Octavia is already one, and Jubilost has spent five levels in alchemist. Everyone else has 14 int or less.
Inquisitor/Cleric: The three characters with more than 14 WIS are already locked into their bad gods and bad domains. No Animal/Travel/Community/etc domains for you.

Shout out to Harrim for wasting his first feat on heavy armor proficiency, and to Valerie and Amiri to locking themselves into specific weapon focuses.

 

[Grunker]

It's frustrating how the story companions generally don't support certain multi classing options.

Paladin: Ekun is the only one Lawful Good character and he has 10 CHA.
Monk: Of the two Lawful characters, Ekun has 13 WIS and Valerie has 15 CHA.
Sorc: Nobody has more than 16 CHA. Of those who do, Tristian has spent three levels elsewhere and Regongar has spent two, so they are too far behind. Your only shot is with Linzi, just enjoy being one level and 4 points of CHA behind a merc.
Wizard: Octavia is already one, and Jubilost has spent five levels in alchemist. Everyone else has 14 int or less.
Inquisitor/Cleric: The three characters with more than 14 WIS are already locked into their bad gods and bad domains. No Animal/Travel/Community/etc domains for you.

Shout out to Harrim for wasting his first feat on heavy armor proficiency, and to Valerie and Amiri to locking themselves into specific weapon focuses.

just respec

 

[Cael]

It's frustrating how the story companions generally don't support certain multi classing options.

Paladin: Ekun is the only one Lawful Good character and he has 10 CHA.
Monk: Of the two Lawful characters, Ekun has 13 WIS and Valerie has 15 CHA.
Sorc: Nobody has more than 16 CHA. Of those who do, Tristian has spent three levels elsewhere and Regongar has spent two, so they are too far behind. Your only shot is with Linzi, just enjoy being one level and 4 points of CHA behind a merc.
Wizard: Octavia is already one, and Jubilost has spent five levels in alchemist. Everyone else has 14 int or less.
Inquisitor/Cleric: The three characters with more than 14 WIS are already locked into their bad gods and bad domains. No Animal/Travel/Community/etc domains for you.

Shout out to Harrim for wasting his first feat on heavy armor proficiency, and to Valerie and Amiri to locking themselves into specific weapon focuses.

Valerie is an atheist and specifically cannot get into any of the divine classes, regardless of what her stats and proficiencies are. They specifically created a feat for her just to have that effect.

 

[Desiderius]

It's frustrating how the story companions generally don't support certain multi classing options.

Paladin: Ekun is the only one Lawful Good character and he has 10 CHA.
Monk: Of the two Lawful characters, Ekun has 13 WIS and Valerie has 15 CHA.
Sorc: Nobody has more than 16 CHA. Of those who do, Tristian has spent three levels elsewhere and Regongar has spent two, so they are too far behind. Your only shot is with Linzi, just enjoy being one level and 4 points of CHA behind a merc.
Wizard: Octavia is already one, and Jubilost has spent five levels in alchemist. Everyone else has 14 int or less.
Inquisitor/Cleric: The three characters with more than 14 WIS are already locked into their bad gods and bad domains. No Animal/Travel/Community/etc domains for you.

Shout out to Harrim for wasting his first feat on heavy armor proficiency, and to Valerie and Amiri to locking themselves into specific weapon focuses.

This is incorrect.

1) One of the main design goals of PF was to make single-classing more viable than 3.5 did. Unlike Wrath you're not shoehorned into it, but it's still going to be better than 90% of alternatives.

2) That said, all the early game companions set up well for multiclassing other than Linzi, and she ended up getting a Fae Sorc splash on my Unfair run.

3) Pal is the only unsupported multi. This is due to Owlcat wussing out on Val's companion quest. Unlike Wrath not a great Pal setting anyway, though a fine MC. Given lack of L companions probably intended for MC to fill that gap.

4) Val *does* end up getting enough CHR to support Bard/Feyspeaker thru her companion quest/Oppressor Basterd Sword. Probably melee Sorc too if that's your thing.

5) If you use Wing with a Shield (not legal in Tabletop) then Monk is also a fine splash/multi for her. I eventually figured out thru melee Seelah that the change was likely intended to make armored/shield tanking more competitive with armorless.

6) Why are you trying to make a multiclass caster in the first place? Octavia is fine Wiz, and can in fact multi off of that if you want to do 3.5 EK stuff.



7) If you want Community get it via Ekun Sacred Huntmaster. Travel is meh without Swift Mythic. Animool is just bad (late pet, no abilities, redundant spells).

Jae is already a great Inquisitor (a class that *really* wants to be single class), and can cast fine as needed. Obv you also get two Clerics, and a third late depending.

bad gods and bad domains

You are retarded. Touch of Chaos and Destructive Aura are uniquely powerful effects and those domains provide needed extra spells for Necro Sorc. Touch of Good probably generates more EXP than any other ability in the game (and don't sleep on Holy Lance). Death lets Jae be playable Undead. Only meh one is Healing Domain but some people like to cast Healing spells and it makes those suck less.

Sounds like you're wanting to play 3.5 in a PF shell. For PF ruleset P:K companions set up much better for multi-classing than Wrath ones, where it looks like they really wanted to beat the player over the head with the benefits of single-classing because too many are stuck on their 3.5 binky and classes. If you want to beat Lantern King with Grease spam this is probably not the game for you.

Tested viable mutlis:

Val: Bard, Feyspeaker (great way to survive Unfair early game), Kinetic Knight
Amiri: Freebooter, Defender of True World, Sacred Huntmaster
Harrim: Ranger (only way to unlock his Urgrosh through Combat Style Feats), Monster Tactician
Octavia: Sword Saint/Duelist/EK, Eldritch Archer
Tristian: Eldritch Archer/Mystic Theurge, can do it with Scion as well which ends up being pretty funny



Linzi: Thug/Barb/whatever if you make Val your Bard.

There are obv several other ways you can go if you get creative, which is kind of the point.

 

[Desiderius]

It's frustrating how the story companions generally don't support certain multi classing options.

Paladin: Ekun is the only one Lawful Good character and he has 10 CHA.
Monk: Of the two Lawful characters, Ekun has 13 WIS and Valerie has 15 CHA.
Sorc: Nobody has more than 16 CHA. Of those who do, Tristian has spent three levels elsewhere and Regongar has spent two, so they are too far behind. Your only shot is with Linzi, just enjoy being one level and 4 points of CHA behind a merc.
Wizard: Octavia is already one, and Jubilost has spent five levels in alchemist. Everyone else has 14 int or less.
Inquisitor/Cleric: The three characters with more than 14 WIS are already locked into their bad gods and bad domains. No Animal/Travel/Community/etc domains for you.

Shout out to Harrim for wasting his first feat on heavy armor proficiency, and to Valerie and Amiri to locking themselves into specific weapon focuses.

just respec

You've got a world-class designer. Let him help you discover new shit you've never tried before. It's fun.

 

[EdgyRightWinger]

2) That said, all the early game companions set up well for multiclassing other than Linzi, and she ended up getting a Fae Sorc splash on my Unfair run.

Read what I said carefully: Not that any companions aren't capable of multiclassing at all, but that quite a few multiclassing options aren't supported.

5) If you use Wing with a Shield (not legal in Tabletop) then Monk is also a fine splash/multi for her. I eventually figured out thru melee Seelah that the change was likely intended to make armored/shield tanking more competitive with armorless.

Sure, but you lose the WIS/CHA bonus to AC.

6) Why are you trying to make a multiclass caster in the first place? Octavia is fine Wiz, and can in fact multi off of that if you want to do 3.5 EK stuff.

If you want a sorc, or a wizard other than Octavia, or a cleric where you get to choose the god and domains. It's understood that you're a level behind because of multi classing, but it's rough that you also will have a terrible casting stat.

7) If you want Community get it via Ekun Sacred Huntmaster.

He starts out at level four, so you'll be very far behind on getting Guarded Hearth.

Travel is meh without Swift Mythic. Animool is just bad (late pet, no abilities, redundant spells).

Travel has an amazing abilities and good spells. Animal catches up with one feat.


So rather than simply kvetch, here are my concrete suggestions for how they should have made the companions more customizable:

• Start Regongar, Ekun, Jubilost, Tristian, and the twins at level one, with banked xp to reach whatever their expected level at that point in the game in.
• Most companions should have early companion question resolutions which let you move them one alignment step with dialogue options.
• Slightly better mental stats, or at least distributions, on a few companions. Even if it breaks the 20-point build restriction which they already broke several times anyway.
  • For example Ekun could have -2 INT (realism!) and +1 WIS. Linzi +2 INT. Valerie +2 CHA and a hotter picture. Amiri +4 CHA.

 

[Cael]

2) That said, all the early game companions set up well for multiclassing other than Linzi, and she ended up getting a Fae Sorc splash on my Unfair run.

Read what I said carefully: Not that any companions aren't capable of multiclassing at all, but that quite a few multiclassing options aren't supported.

5) If you use Wing with a Shield (not legal in Tabletop) then Monk is also a fine splash/multi for her. I eventually figured out thru melee Seelah that the change was likely intended to make armored/shield tanking more competitive with armorless.

Sure, but you lose the WIS/CHA bonus to AC.

6) Why are you trying to make a multiclass caster in the first place? Octavia is fine Wiz, and can in fact multi off of that if you want to do 3.5 EK stuff.

If you want a sorc, or a wizard other than Octavia, or a cleric where you get to choose the god and domains. It's understood that you're a level behind because of multi classing, but it's rough that you also will have a terrible casting stat.

7) If you want Community get it via Ekun Sacred Huntmaster.

He starts out at level four, so you'll be very far behind on getting Guarded Hearth.

Travel is meh without Swift Mythic. Animool is just bad (late pet, no abilities, redundant spells).

Travel has an amazing abilities and good spells. Animal catches up with one feat.


So rather than simply kvetch, here are my concrete suggestions for how they should have made the companions more customizable:

• Start Regongar, Ekun, Jubilost, Tristian, and the twins at level one, with banked xp to reach whatever their expected level at that point in the game in.
• Most companions should have early companion question resolutions which let you move them one alignment step with dialogue options.
• Slightly better mental stats, or at least distributions, on a few companions. Even if it breaks the 20-point build restriction which they already broke several times anyway.
  • For example Ekun could have -2 INT (realism!) and +1 WIS. Linzi +2 INT. Valerie +2 CHA and a hotter picture. Amiri +4 CHA.

Motherfucker uses the respec mod and passes it off as legit. Note the part where he talks about making Octavia into a EK when she starts with 1 level of Rogue. He is not even in the same conversation as you. He does it all the time and goes crying butthurt when called on it.

 

[Desiderius]

Not quite a few.

One. Pal. Blaster Sorc whatever, that just duplicates what Octavia’s cookie cutter build does fine already.

Val with Wing has all the AC you’d ever need. Stop falling for memes. With Feyspeaker she even gets Image and has a Smilo pet that can tank anything to boot.

As for your list of very specific things you want, but hardly need, there are several viable multiclass options for each companion. Try those out. It’s fun to learn new things. Your original claim is incorrect.

The Domains you list are worse than the ones you have and 13 isn’t that late for Hearth. Hearth isn’t that great in P:K anyway because it’s lower rest than Wrath. Try Nobility.

If you're dead set on something specific the companions can't do you can always use your MC for that, but the things you list aren't even particularly good.

2) That said, all the early game companions set up well for multiclassing other than Linzi, and she ended up getting a Fae Sorc splash on my Unfair run.

Read what I said carefully: Not that any companions aren't capable of multiclassing at all, but that quite a few multiclassing options aren't supported.

5) If you use Wing with a Shield (not legal in Tabletop) then Monk is also a fine splash/multi for her. I eventually figured out thru melee Seelah that the change was likely intended to make armored/shield tanking more competitive with armorless.

Sure, but you lose the WIS/CHA bonus to AC.

6) Why are you trying to make a multiclass caster in the first place? Octavia is fine Wiz, and can in fact multi off of that if you want to do 3.5 EK stuff.

If you want a sorc, or a wizard other than Octavia, or a cleric where you get to choose the god and domains. It's understood that you're a level behind because of multi classing, but it's rough that you also will have a terrible casting stat.

7) If you want Community get it via Ekun Sacred Huntmaster.

He starts out at level four, so you'll be very far behind on getting Guarded Hearth.

Travel is meh without Swift Mythic. Animool is just bad (late pet, no abilities, redundant spells).

Travel has an amazing abilities and good spells. Animal catches up with one feat.


So rather than simply kvetch, here are my concrete suggestions for how they should have made the companions more customizable:

• Start Regongar, Ekun, Jubilost, Tristian, and the twins at level one, with banked xp to reach whatever their expected level at that point in the game in.
• Most companions should have early companion question resolutions which let you move them one alignment step with dialogue options.
• Slightly better mental stats, or at least distributions, on a few companions. Even if it breaks the 20-point build restriction which they already broke several times anyway.
  • For example Ekun could have -2 INT (realism!) and +1 WIS. Linzi +2 INT. Valerie +2 CHA and a hotter picture. Amiri +4 CHA.

Motherfucker uses the respec mod and passes it off as legit. Note the part where he talks about making Octavia into a EK when she starts with 1 level of Rogue. He is not even in the same conversation as you. He does it all the time and goes crying butthurt when called on it.

I never did use it for P:K* exactly because of my original point. Mishulin is not only a better designer than you or EdgyRightWinger, he's a better one than me.

That Octavia was Rogue 4 (Debilitating, Finesse, Dex-to-Dam, Uncanny, Evasion, 2 Rogue Talents), Saint 7, Wiz1 (sadly dead), then took EK levels from there I think. This was back when *I* was still playing 3.5, though as you can see she did fine.

I'll find a screenshot later if you need confirmation.

* - didn’t use it in Wrath until this run to adjust Sos Feats for Offensive Casting that I didn’t end up needing/using so Mish owned me again.

 

[Desiderius]

concrete suggestions for how they should have made the companions more customizable

Of all the bullshit ideas LannTheStupid has stuck in his head about Murkans this one right here, this exact one, is why we currently suck twelve-foot-long donkey dicks.

Reinventing every goddamned wheel is *way* too much work and people think they’re better at it than they are to an absurd extent. I’ve got 2,000 hours in both games and still haven’t exhausted the content. Explore what’s there. It’s great.

 

[skaraher]

Those builds are sorely lacking in Viviesectionnist and Slayer level.

 

[LannTheStupid]

the story companions generally don't support certain multi classing options.

Wizard: Octavia is already one

Eh?

That Octavia was Rogue 4 (Debilitating, Finesse, Dex-to-Dam, Uncanny, Evasion, 2 Rogue Talents), Saint 7, Wiz1 (sadly dead), then took EK levels from there I think. This was back when *I* was still playing 3.5, though as you can see she did fine.

Yes, I remember being utterly perplexed about why you ditched the Wizard part of Octavia. But what works, works.

here are my concrete suggestions for how they should have made the companions more customizable:

You want to play Divinity: Original Sin 2 or Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire.

Good. Play them. For better or for worse, Kingmaker is none of those games.

 

[Desiderius]

the story companions generally don't support certain multi classing options.

Wizard: Octavia is already one

Eh?

That Octavia was Rogue 4 (Debilitating, Finesse, Dex-to-Dam, Uncanny, Evasion, 2 Rogue Talents), Saint 7, Wiz1 (sadly dead), then took EK levels from there I think. This was back when *I* was still playing 3.5, though as you can see she did fine.

Yes, I remember being utterly perplexed about why you ditched the Wizard part of Octavia. But what works, works.

here are my concrete suggestions for how they should have made the companions more customizable:

You want to play Divinity: Original Sin 2 or Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire.

Good. Play them. For better or for worse, Kingmaker is none of those games.

Lol I hadn’t played the straight-up AT yet because Jub was in that slot usually. I had done AT with R4 to make her a surprisingly good archer but that delayed Surprise Spells. She was melee here since MC was ranged.

Pillows companions have their own restrictions. He’s trying to play Icewind Dale/Wizardry.