Inactive [LP CYOA] Overlord

[Kipeci]

It's not that serious of a vote from me. I initially voted B for the fun of it since I didn't think it had any hope to win, but then a surprising number of folks came on board. I don't really care enough to change it to A, though, since I'd think I'd be fine with either way we take. I still think A will take it in the end.

But I think it's a little bit hypocritical to cry out that we're not developing the character in the right direction as a lazy scholar pervert when the people calling us out on this voted to train the children with the justification of it as being the Zhang Jue option instead of pursuing the commander. This is far more of a choice to align ourselves to The Zhang Jue Way, focusing on the development of our personal power without letting scruples fetter our way and overcoming the greatest challenge we can face, certainly more than holding the hands of two kids in a fight. Since we did bother to become an angel instead of a gooey blob slimelord or a babylord, I'd also be intrigued in exploring the relatively unknown nature of the character's powers and the myths they've apparently inspired, what limits we can scrape against.

I never was really fond of the lazy pervert background, especially since it's being used to argue against promoting policies that would encourage the welding together of peoples into an powerful empire in favor of picking up hot, slutty cows. This is a way to wipe that slate clean and start with something that can resonate better with me than our apparent end goal of doing nothing but leering at a harem as they take their baths and securing just enough power that no one will bother us from that state. I'm still fine with continuing on as we were, but I'm also fine with seeing the height of power that a Carnage Pigeon may achieve.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

A. devour soul after selling out the world for her? come on...

No shit! Inconsistent as fuck.

 

[Nevill]

This is about committing to the direction you want to take the character.

And this does not count as a direction, of course:

After we just saved the children and generously gave away our loot? After we WHITEKNIGHTED FOR A PRINCE? And after we just had a protracted battle to HIDE THE FACT THAT WE ARE AN ANGEL. You want to reveal to the villagers that we are an angel, turn us into an unrepentant killing machine and kill the best tits/comic releif in the LP on a whim?!

Choose a scholar who doesn't want to do stuff and likes women, switch for an angel who seeks out better and powerful enemies and kills women. This was written only a week ago:

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I don't think the point of evolving into someone stronger is alien to our character, as it's an investment for the future.

We get stronger now and we don't have to struggle later. Not unlike the "learn faster" spell, which was a lot of effort now, to spare some potential effort later. We didn't chose that, but it might have crossed his mind, so it is in character.

Also we don't have to actively seek strong foes, just to challenge them when we see them, to test ourselves. This way, once we assert dominance, they might also become potential new recruits. As in people who do stuff for us, another investment in our laziness.

Speaking as a lazy person myself, this sounds like an awful lot of hard work for what seems like not much potential for future laziness. I just don't see Erdrick as the kind of guy who is motivated by testing himself. He's motivated by the prospect of lots of pussy, or by the idea of being left alone to do fuck-all to his heart's content. He's motivated by revenge too (as we voted on), but even that is because he was forced into a hero role that he never wanted because of some bullshit destiny that he never had a say in. He was happy at the Academy slacking off until the goddesses picked him to be their pawn.

You guys don't have a direction. You are all over the place contradicting yourselves. You just want to be EVUL, here and now - desperate for it, in fact - no matter how derpy it might be. No patience, no planning - nothing.

 

[lightbane]

By the way, going into the EXTREMELY EDGY mode most likely ensures we won't ever have a chance to solve a situation without violence. Then the Codex complains when RPGs have too much combat.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

You guys don't have a direction. You are all over the place contradicting yourself. Yoiu just want to be EVUL, here and now - desperate for it, in fact - no matter how derpy it might be. No patience, no planning - nothing.

And in two updates time, they'll all be wanting to be a do gooder again. ffs

 

[Baltika9]

Look, all I'm saying is that Erdrick is going down very familiar roads right now, roads that we've traveled with other characters none of whom were particularly, well, villainous. I see these patterns emerging (might be because I'm on painkillers ) where we do similar things to Jing, Ean, etc and I don;t like them, so I'm voting for something completely different. It's sudden as shit, I know, and treave called me out on it, but I stand by it. Esquilax summarized well:

I agree that it feels a little too abrupt, but I have a feeling that treave kinda wanted us to commit to a direction for this character to see if we actually had some stones for proper villainy, rather than playing a weaksauce bad guy who is actually kind of a good guy at heart. I'm leaning towards B for now, more because I am so fucking sick of being a hero and I want to take this guy in a darker direction, even if this does feel a little too abrupt. We've got to shit or get off the pot and decide whether we want to be a proper Overlord or not.

If we keep going down this road, I'm afraid that instead of a proper Overlord, we'll end up like this:

“Hm, oh well.” You suppose a cow is fine too, even if it is a flat one. You can always breed her afterwards and get back into the cow trading business if you needed funds. The legendary merchant Jalop started with a single cow after all. You would definitely get more mileage out of Lucy than you would from some peasant matron.

And I'm not about to go into bovine prostitution. Gobblecock may have went off the deep end, but he did have a point when he said we'll always have some suspiciously sinister reason for why we keep doing good things.

Baltika has always wanted to be a space marine, so I understand.

A chaos space marine, thank you very much. It's a very important distinction.

 

[Nevill]

Look, all I'm saying is that Erdrick is going down very familiar roads right now, roads that we've traveled with other characters none of whom were particularly, well, villainous.

Hey! I know you!

The truth is, there is a subset of the voters on the 'Dex that want something different. Doesn't matter what it is, or whether it has any justification, as long as it just is.

As long as Ean never did this, you'll vote for it. I am pretty sure if there was a choice to bite off your own dick, you'd do it too, just to be contrarian.

Gobblecock may have went off the deep end

Nah, he just tested the waters for you.

 

[treave]

It's actually ok to be inconsistent with this choice from a narrative perspective: it can mean that Erdrick is suddenly overwhelmed by the influence of his new form and succumbs to it, and not because he actually, willingly, chooses to. The thought pattern in B is rather different than his usual.

Now, the consequences of him doing that are kinda up in the air of course. But obviously it'll involve a lot of carnage.

 

[Absinthe]

A

I'm not convinced that there's more benefit in killing Rin than having her on our side. Even in terms of exp, we're trading away the opportunity to learn from her. Also, if we kill her, we won't get to hear her explanation on what happened and we're probably doing whoever put her under a favor.

 

[Esquilax]

You guys don't have a direction. You are all over the place contradicting yourselves. You just want to be EVUL, here and now - desperate for it, in fact - no matter how derpy it might be. No patience, no planning - nothing.

Can you just respect the fact that I want to take the character in a different direction without being an asshole about it? I'm not fully committed to B, and honestly, I'd be fine with A, but I want to see what a full-villain playthrough will lead to. We haven't played a true villain for a while and we kinda have a track record of pussing out once we cross that invisible moral line, so I want something else for a change. Respect that.

 

[Nevill]

It's actually ok to be inconsistent with this choice from a narrative perspective:

We are talking the conscious voter choice here rather than the in-character perspective.

I don't understand why we bothered with half the things we did if we dump the current character and pick something else entirely.

Can you just respect the fact that I want to take the character in a different direction without being an asshole about it?

Not until you face that direction and walk in a straight line for at least 5 updates.

Otherwise I may call you out on it.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

This is far more of a choice to align ourselves to The Zhang Jue Way

Absolute bollocks and you know it. Zhang Jue could have killed us any number of times, but he didn't. He didn't turn into an insane killer just because the mood suddenly struck him and popped our head off with a flick of his thumb. He could have, but he didn't.

What you are advocating is the Yang Xue way. The way that turns us into a forever alone freak in exchange for teh powah!

 

[Elfberserker]

Becoming a global leader in bovine prostitutien is great evil as slayingyour comrades. We can do all kind of evil acts with that kind of monopoly.


But...Perhaps it time to go to deep end, even if it costs us our only valuable ally and 10/10 tits to go evil overlord route.
If nothing else we finally see what the angel mode is all about instead hearing fairy tales.

Still I am very hesitant about sacrifyicing Ring to prove we are evil, instead doing evil later.

 

[Baltika9]

Hey! I know you!



As long as Ean never did this, you'll vote for it. I am pretty sure if there was a choice to bite off your own dick, you'd do it too, just to be contrarian.

Woop-dee-fucking-doo, I'm wanting something different from your grand master plan. There's no need to be condescending just because some people disagree with you.
Yeah, I want to be a villain, and I want to embrace our angelic nature and ride it where it takes us. Which is the top, because apparently that's what being an angel is all about.

We are talking the conscious voter choice here rather than the in-character perspective.

I don't understand why we bothered with half the things we did if we dump the current character and pick something else entirely.


Not until you face that direction and walk in a straight line for at least 5 updates.

Otherwise I may call you out on it.

It's actually ok to be inconsistent with this choice from a narrative perspective: it can mean that Erdrick is suddenly overwhelmed by the influence of his new form and succumbs to it, and not because he actually, willingly, chooses to. The thought pattern in B is rather different than his usual.

Now, the consequences of him doing that are kinda up in the air of course. But obviously it'll involve a lot of carnage.

This is a totally new experience, totally new emotion and totally new way of thinking that got introduced as a consequence of becoming an angel. We couldn't plan for it and smoothly guide ourselves to it because we didn't know about it. And I am OK with this.

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[Esquilax]

What you are advocating is the Yang Xue way. The way that turns us into a forever alone freak in exchange for teh powah!

I'm voting B, but this is probably true. This act would push us firmly into vengeful, psychotic villain territory, rather than awesome badass who takes on massive challenges for the thrill of it and doesn't give a fuck. Zhang Jue, for all the hate he received from civilized society, was still more anti-hero than villain. We're going full-on villain with B. And I'm okay with that.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

 

[Baltika9]

I'm voting B, but this is probably true. This act would push us firmly into vengeful, psychotic villain territory, rather than awesome badass who takes on massive challenges for the thrill of it and doesn't give a fuck. Zhang Jue, for all the hate he received from civilized society, was still more anti-hero than villain. We're going full-on villain with B. And I'm okay with that.

Lord Zhang is not a hero or villain. He is Lord Zhang and he does what he does because that's what he does.

 

[Esquilax]

Not until you face that direction and walk in a straight line for at least 5 updates.

Otherwise I may call you out on it.

I have consistently wanted to take the character in a darker direction. But hey, when I do something you don't like, it's flip-flopping and inconsistency. When you change your mind, it's the smart choice. Quit being an asshole. I'm going with B, I'm sticking with it for now, and I want a different sort of experience. I'm not sorry if A wins, but I don't see why this inconsistency is a bad thing.

Like treave said, it isn't about consistency. Given the context of the choice, it's reveling in our darker nature or resisting it. That's the crux of it, consistency doesn't enter into it.

 

[treave]

We are talking the conscious voter choice here rather than the in-character perspective.

I don't understand why we bothered with half the things we did if we dump the current character and pick something else entirely.

I needed to gauge the level of butthurt over apparent do-gooding that has developed over the past ten updates, which seemed considerable, and offer an outlet for those who want to jump right into depopulating the continent personally rather than deal in mundane evils like tax evasion and illegal immigration.

As far as the established character goes, I suppose this was one of the few ways to justify such a drastic shift.

 

[Nevill]

This is a totally new experience, totally new emotion and totally new way of thinking

Not so new. We've faced it three times before. Just didn't succumb to it. It's not like it was introduced here.

The first three times the voters' reaction was to steer away. We - as in, the voters - could perfectly plan for this, which is why the current development is a non-sequetur for me and 'abrupt' for you.

When you change your mind, it's the smart choice
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I don't see why this inconsistency is a bad thing.

I think you blamed me for being rigid and impossible to convince instead? Now I know why.

I needed to gauge the level of butthurt over apparent do-gooding that has developed over the past ten updates

0.75 Tufan.

 

[Baltika9]

And yet, this is the first time we have the option of embracing it, so, yeah, it's an abrupt choice.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

I'm voting B, but this is probably true. This act would push us firmly into vengeful, psychotic villain territory, rather than awesome badass who takes on massive challenges for the thrill of it and doesn't give a fuck. Zhang Jue, for all the hate he received from civilized society, was still more anti-hero than villain. We're going full-on villain with B. And I'm okay with that.

Oh, but you are not going full on villan. You've already voted to initiate diplomacy whenever possible and be generous to dirty villagers and handsome princes alike. The voters are what makes the character and these voters have picked do-gooder choice after do-gooder choice. In a few updates, you'll all be chasing after another shiny object and Rin's sacrifice will just be numbers on a stat sheet.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

 

[Kipeci]

Absolute bollocks and you know it. Zhang Jue could have killed us any number of times, but he didn't. He didn't turn into an insane killer just because the mood suddenly struck him and popped our head off with a flick of his thumb. He could have, but he didn't.

What you are advocating is the Yang Xue way. The way that turns us into a forever alone freak in exchange for teh powah!

We were never an actual challenge to Zhang Jue, were we? He built up hills of bodies when they attacked him, yes, and he sought out powerful foes for a challenging fight. Whatever the spell did to her, Rin is holding nothing back right now, she's the most powerful enemy that we have faced so far into this aside from her father whom we never actually fought. Before us is a powerful foe, let us hold nothing back as well and see what we might achieve.

Maybe I should have added a parrot.

I am under no delusion that this will turn us into a carbon copy of Lord Zhang, but I'm still butthurt over missing out on the commander that our supposedly woman-hungry guy could have gone after in favor of LORD ZHANG JUE PATH kindergarten from out of nowhere and now the same people that vote for that accuse me of not adhering to the character and how we're ruining it all by not following the slacker pervert guideline when something much closer to acting in line with Lord Zhang actually turns up.

 

[Esquilax]

Oh, but you are not going full on villan. You've already voted to initiate diplomacy whenever possible and be generous to dirty villagers and handsome princes alike. In a few updates, you'll all be chasing after another shiny object and Rin's sacrifice will just be numbers on a stat sheet. The voters are what makes the character and these voters have picked do-gooder choice after do-gooder choice.

Actually, I wanted to vote for diplomacy initially, then flopped to striking them with Gigadyne because we had the element of surprise. Then I was cool with torturing the Barzamites. I also wanted to kidnap the Prince as well. I then flopped to AAC at the end of the last vote (keep the money). I don't blame you for making mistakes here, I flop more than anybody here, I don't make up my mind firmly all of the time. But nevertheless, when it comes down to it, once the votes are locked in, I think I've been fairly consistent in going for options that lead to a darker character.