Lands of Lore vs. Skyrim - Which is more of an RPG and why? Discuss!!

[DraQ]

Your post is shitty but it's not worth my time. Put me on ignore, bro, I won't hold it against you.

Is mine too shitty for your time as well, or is your whole stance based on vague feeling of butthurt evoked by statement that regardless of frame of reference Skyrim will be more of an RPG and less than LoL rather than any form of actual reasoning?

 

[Jasede]

It's just a pointless debate, like our bi-weekly "Define RPG" discussions. Better to abstain. I know you just want to have a genuine discussion but we've all discussed it before. More than once. That's why we now just faff around. I don't come for the discussion anymore, I come for the community and for the news about movies/RPGs/console games.

Sometimes I badger the people with furry avatars with PMs until they get bored.

I'm sure there's some excellent point someone could make why LoL is an RPG, just like Skyrim is I'm sure someone did, years ago. I am not so sure we need to investigate which one is "more" of one. I don't think you really care either, hence your thread title. You're just trying to generate some useful discussion. I wish you well.

 

[sser]

Aw, people bashing LoL...

 

[ColCol]

We are all RPG.

 

[DraQ]

Aw, people bashing LoL...

I'm not bashing LoL.

I actually consider it a fun game.
I'm just trying to be consistent about it and if I am to be consistent, if LoL is to be considered an RPG, then any game with stats is not only going to also be an RPG but also most likely much more of an RPG than LoL.
This includes Skyrim (which I also consider a fun game), but also turds like Oblivion and Mass Effect series.
If we were to throw discussions about those games into GD, based on them not being RPGs, then we'd have to do the same with LoL, on the same basis.

You're just trying to generate some useful discussion.

Useful? Hell no. I'm trying to generate some *interesting* discussion.

 

[Karmapowered]

Your post is shitty but it's not worth my time. Put me on ignore, bro, I won't hold it against you.

I don't put forum people on ignore. I beat them to a bloody pulp, till they amend, or leave.

Look. Since you don't want to make baby Jesus cry (it's still Christmas time, remember?), you'll just have to fasten your cojones and fess up.

Next time, have the decency to read what *you* chose to reply to, and get your brain cells working on a better plan than "it's teh truth, because I said so." as main support to your arguments. That should avoid you getting schooled, and incidentally give me the pleasure to spend waste some more of my time reading interesting stuff on the Kodex.

 

[groke]

Draq bro, I wasn't going to reply to your post because I don't think we have anywhere to go from here. I said dungeoncrawling was an RPG mechanic because RPGs do it and you said no because other genres do it too. I think that's dumb, and this shit has been discussed to death. But since you're crying for attention:

It's not the whole goddamn shebang, but it's as common in RPGs as elves or AC. It doesn't mean not having dungeons makes a game less of an RPG

...and it doesn't mean that having dungeons automatically does make game one. In other words it's fucking irrelevant to game being or not being an RPG.

I never claimed dungeons automatically make a game an RPG, I think it's stupid to think any single element could automatically make a game an RPG.

but shit like C&C or skills aren't inherently necessary to RPGs either.

So what *is* necessary for a game to be an RPG? Or is it just completely arbitrary label that can be attached to any game where you play a role? For example Halo where you play role of Mater Chief.

As I said, I think:

It's the exhibition of some combination of elements common to RPGs that make a game an RPG.

To which you reply:

So *what* combination or combinations makes an RPG?
Logical expression or GTFO.

But I'm not trying to offer a definition of RPGs, I'm just making the humble statement that dungeon-crawling is an element of RPGs. So, uh, get off my back!

I only gave your rant a scan, so forgive me if I've misinterpreted you but I just can't bear to read dumb shit like "decline parameters are inherently relative".

Can't help the definitions, bro. M:
Decline is always in relation to something, be it the immediate prior state or some nebulous golden past.

My issue isn't with your statement, I just think using terms like "decline parameters" is retarded.

I hope this post brought you closure, Draq.

Karmapowered, you still don't get a reply. But I'll be posting some more inane shit soon for you to read and have conniptions over in regards to my lax manner on the internet.

 

[Karmapowered]

Fair enough, and I will pursue my task at ridiculing you over all the shit that you claim to be posting

Note that I still hope that you will improve over time, and start thinking before hitting the "Post reply" button, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. And I am serious.

 

[Maiandros]

Me, i'd start with the 'Roleplaying' element.. are enough elements present (or lacking adversely, i built my own story running TOEE) for me to actually role-play? Do i catch myself getting lost within the game (escapism)?
If that happens, i move on to considering just what a limit there is before i need to deem -x- title as a button masher.. finger meltdown and rush rush rush tends to lose points with me..
I worry about rules, depth, diversity, content and presentation only after. In before those two elements, it is just not an RPG..of any a type.

Above factored in, answer is LoR, though you are a tricky poster, as you fail to mention which of the three is in question here. Very naughty.

 

[Mother Russia]

Aw, people bashing LoL...

I'm not bashing LoL.

I actually consider it a fun game.
I'm just trying to be consistent about it and if I am to be consistent, if LoL is to be considered an RPG, then any game with stats is not only going to also be an RPG but also most likely much more of an RPG than LoL.
This includes Skyrim (which I also consider a fun game), but also turds like Oblivion and Mass Effect series.
If we were to throw discussions about those games into GD, based on them not being RPGs, then we'd have to do the same with LoL, on the same basis.

You're just trying to generate some useful discussion.

Useful? Hell no. I'm trying to generate some *interesting* discussion.

Dude, Lands of Lore is PARTYBASED.

Skyturd is a single player akshun game with rpg elements. But, to be fair, so were Arena, Daggerfall , Morrowind, and Oblivion.

If you want another good reason, LoL has a quite charming story with highs, lows, characters you care about (Dawn, King Richard, Timothy, etc etc) an end bawss you luv to hate (Scotia).

Now true, Skyturd is sandboxy, with open world as a focus, like all Elder Skrolls Games. However, as much as I like sandbox and free roaming, overall I prefer LoL's story over TES freeroaming. While TES cities and towns may have many npcs walking around, and LoL doesn't, the fact that even today all TES npcs all look alike is more jarring than LoL not having any in game npcs to interact with. In Arena and Daggerfall you could accept all npcs looking the same, and those games were groundbreaking in that you could walk around these massive towns and cities even if they all looked the same, heck the first game did come on floppies after all. But Morrowind and beyond they should actually have tried you know.

This is why it is best to do free roaming with 3rd person ISO, cuz that way you can differentiate NPCs by their clothing and accessories, and don't have to worry about facial features. But I don't think any game has done free roaming as well as the RoA series (first 2 games).

 

[Bruma Hobo]

if dungeon crawling is a defining RPG feature, then having a fantasy world with elves and dwarves is another. I enjoy a good dungeon romp like everyone else, but It's just a good feature independent of the genre.

 

[DraQ]

Dude, Lands of Lore is PARTYBASED.

So what? It makes it get free ride?

 

[RK47]

Lands of Lore has no redeeming value.
Yes, for its time, it was quite an acceptable hack and slash, - but aside from neat visuals, setting and music, the gameplay revolves around - attack, attack, attack, heal, attack , drink potion, attack attack.

@ putting story value over sandbox. Then why do you ask me to play LoL? I watched the playthrough and realized I missed nothing of value. Banal combat around, I had to pause and wash my face a few times from the boredom. OOOH THE TENSION OF GETTING DOWN TO 5% HP AND DRINKING POTION AS MY TURN COMES!

I hate blob RPGs because of this crap. M&M does the same gameplay 100x more fun due to the speed. LoL is just a boring slugmatch with not much customization going on.
Put Betrayal at Krondor side by side with Lands of Lore and hands down you can see how shit the latter is.

 

[Jasede]

They're different genres and you're applying standards used to measure one to the other. It's not fair to either game.
Lands of Lore is a fantastic, high-production dungeon crawl with simple, (at the time) fun combat and puzzle-loaded challenges. Its most remarkable qualities are the remarkable visuals and the excellent music, coupled with engrossing, rich dungeon design.

You're foolish to think combat is the end all be all of a real-time blob game. Mapping, exploring, enjoying the visuals is very much part of the experience and while you're certainly entitled to your opinion it's just that and I find it important to emphasize I don't share it.

Also, that yellow underbelly of DraQ's avatar may well also be interpreted as a gargantuan penis. Is that just me?



Also the whole debate is pointless. If you're trying to establish that LoL is not an RPG because that'd also make Skyrim and Oblivion and Mass Effect RPGs you're looking at this all wrong. Skyrim, Oblivion and Mass Effect are 100% RPGs, through and through. They're just different. And most of us don't like them. But our opinion about them is irrelevant when it comes to deciding if they are RPGs or not.

 

[RK47]

(at the time) fun combat

Skip to 0:55 mark.

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[Jaesun]

Lands of Lore has no redeeming value.

It WAS an enjoyable hack hack slash slash Adventure Game, with some pretty fucking cool music.

 

[Jasede]

It's not an adventure game! What adventure has you navigate dungeons filled with monsters? If at all you could perhaps call it an action-adventure but that's wrong too since that label is reserved for games like Secret of Mana or Terranigma (and Beyond Good and Evil and Zelda). And you can't possibly argue they play at all similarly.

Face it: this game plays like Dungeon Master or a very simple Eye of the Beholder. So it's an RPG.

End of line.

 

[Jaesun]

HALO has dungeons with monsters too.

 

[RK47]

Lands of Lore has no redeeming value.

It WAS an enjoyable hack hack slash slash Adventure Game, with some pretty fucking cool music.

Yes, I apologize, Westwood made many good tunes, Kyrandia was the stuff of legends, the third sucked balls however.
Then came Command and Conquer, and my mom had to unplug my keyboard and hide it during exam periods.

 

[RK47]

Face it: this game plays like Dungeon Master or a very simple Eye of the Beholder. So it's an RPG.

End of line.

my furry friend, i'm not here to argue whether LoL is RPG or not, we're trying to define it in purely codexian measure: is it shit or not shit?
To me it's just not good enough to play through.

 

[Jaesun]

Oh it IS indefinably worth playing though. I finished it not to long ago, was very enjoyable. But the only reason I finished it was to put some tunes from it for my youtube channel. However in the list of cRPG's to play that you have not yet played, this should go WAY WAY down on the priority list. Play all the Gold Box Games before this decline crap at least.

 

[abnaxus]

Gotta admit, LoL 2 had a pretty cool evil ending.

 

[Maiandros]

I watched the playthrough and realized I missed nothing of value. Banal combat around, I had to pause and wash my face a few times from the boredom

That you see is the -major- difference..some people responding here did not watch it on youtube or on some site, we did not have that then..hell, i am not sure i had internet back then..it would only to be fair to judge titles for the period of time in which they were launched..perhaps i am being rose-tinted (i am), but in a thread labeled x versus y rpg, emotional attachment x and y title brought while playing should count for something as well..apart from what i said above, while your comments may stand for today, i would ask you to refrain from bashing LoL that much until another 15 years pass. Then get back to me and tell me how amazing Skyrimjob was, because it lasted that long in your memory too.

 

[Hobbit Lord of Mordor_]

Skyrim is more LARP-friendly (especially with mods), Draq can't act out his perverse fantasies in LoL = it is not an RPG

Both were shitty games

 

[Lyric Suite]

The problem with Skyrim is not that it is not an RPG. The problem with Skyrim is that everything in it is shit, which makes this entire thread redundant.