Historical Revisionism in Video Game and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[Viata]

Was it really a flop when it profited?

If you add all the sales of N64 and the Gamecube, you will still have less sales than the NES. The SNES also sold more than either Gamecube or the N64. PS1 sold far more than any of those consoles, 3~4x more than N64, too.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

nothing, it's just ironic that the person you set up as the poster child for sega culture most viewed video is about how sega has failed

Every company makes mistakes. Sega didn't get bought up and carved up so even at it's worst failures it remained more successful than say... Bethesda.

Was it really a flop when it profited?

If you add all the sales of N64 and the Gamecube, you will still have less sales than the NES. The SNES also sold more than either Gamecube or the N64. PS1 sold far more than any of those consoles, 3~4x more than N64, too.

Going from the biggest company in the industry and totally dominating the handheld market to being irrelevant for like 2 decades until you got grandma to buy a Wii before attempting suicide again with the WiiU is a pretty serious case of bipolar. No matter how well Nintendo do they're 1 generation away from being bought up as a studio. They rely heavily on a very small number of titles and most of them are released once per generation or are seeing major fan backlash and rely on outside sources to drive income (Pokemon was in steep decline since Silver/Gold until Go came out and it relies on merch sales not the game sales for it's majority income.)

 

[whydoibother]

"hidden gem" is literally a historical revision, yet is a common favorite term for the same kind of people bitching in these threads

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

"hidden gem" is literally a historical revision, yet is a common favorite term for the same kind of people bitching in these threads

Hidden = A game not many people played
Gem = A high quality game worth playing

How is a hidden gem historical revisionism? There's lots of games released after the next generation came out very few people bough. They're often the best the system has to offer because devs knew how to get the most out of it by that point. There's also genres popular now that weren't back then, so niche genres like Tactical RPGs sold badly on the PS1 but have a much larger audience now.

 

[whydoibother]

How is a hidden gem historical revisionism?

If people thought it was good, it wouldn't remain hidden. People thought its bad or mediocre, therefore it remained unnoticed by most. Now, its rediscovered, and revised as being good.

 

[Faarbaute]

Halfling Rodeo Welcome to hyper reality, bro.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

How is a hidden gem historical revisionism?

If people thought it was good, it wouldn't remain hidden. People thought its bad or mediocre, therefore it remained unnoticed by most. Now, its rediscovered, and revised as being good.

That isn't how reality works. You likely have never heard of, let alone tasted your favourite meal humanity has ever cooked. You have no idea WTF is so amazing you would kill to eat it again. But it likely exists and you just haven't been exposed to it. The SNES has 1,700 games on it, 1,000 of those were never released in North America. How many great Japanese exclusive games like the Great battle series exist but were never discussed during that generation? How many games now have fan patches exposing them to a new audience? The SMT series never saw a Western release until Nocturne but the original 2 are considered pretty damn good. How are they not hidden gems?

 

[Machocruz]

She was a space ninja in SM as well (air combat, wall jumps, super speed, super acrobatics)
And that was always the intention of the creators (specially Yoshio Sakamoto) - Other M might get shit for everything else, but one thing the game got right was showcasing how op Samus is (both in combat and mobility)
Really Dread is not breaking any canon by portraying Samus as a super space soldier/ninja

The original concept was 'metro android', a robot-like figure. I'm doing a little memeing myself by calling her a space ninja, I got that from someone else that doesn't like the direction Metroid has gone in.

She is in a powered armor, which entails it's own kind of mobility, and they portrayed that beautifully for the time, her default jumps and somersaults had a weight and particular physics which people now mistakenly say is bad control. Even visually, the suit is more chunky than most of the other games. Of course she had technology that accelerated her physical capabilities, that's part of the powered armor genre. Now she does melee counters and the suits get more fitted, hence ninja. But the point was people think SM is clunky because the newer side-scrollers control in a more conventional fashion, with Samus feeling more agile by default. And they do control great, as Nintendo's games always do, but that doesn't mean SM has control issues in retrospect, it means they don't understand or appreciate concept conveyed through game physics.

 

[whydoibother]

You likely have never heard of, let alone tasted your favourite meal humanity has ever cooked.

Completely irrelevant.
A "hidden gem" is a game that the majority didn't consider worthwhile when it came out, and then considered worthwhile some time after that.
Its also how most "cult classic" movies come to be. Its also how much of the famous painters were perceived. Such revision of old stances is normal, and people demonizing it are just being hipsters, acting contrarian to appear cool. Dorks.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

You likely have never heard of, let alone tasted your favourite meal humanity has ever cooked.

Completely irrelevant.
A "hidden gem" is a game that the majority didn't consider worthwhile when it came out, and then considered worthwhile some time after that.
Its also how most "cult classic" movies come to be. Its also how much of the famous painters were perceived. Such revision of old stances is normal, and people demonizing it are just being hipsters, acting contrarian to appear cool. Dorks.

You are seriously retarded if you can't tell the difference between a game being known and unpopular and a game being HIDDEN and people not having opinions on it til years or decades later.

 

[Silverfish]

with the odd weirdo owning "the pervert squirrel game"

It's still my favorite multiplayer game of all time.

 

[caffeine]

This is the kind of people who narrate the history of video games now:

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

This is the kind of people who narrate the history of video games now:

How do people afford a room to store all this garbage in? There's so much money wasted on landfill and they get no use out of it.

 

[Wasteland]

This is the kind of people who narrate the history of video games now:

lol, that picture is so busy that I didn't even notice there was a human being in the center until I glanced at it for the third or fourth time. Then I realized that I was wrong: the thing in the center is much lower than a human being.

 

[Ol' Willy]

You should also remember that shittendo tried to counter PSone with Gamecube which flopped so hard I didn't even know it existed until few years ago

Gamecube wasn't a counter to the PS1 wtf are you talking about? It was a competitor to the PS2.

Ohh... Then it is even worse as PS2 is still the bestselling console worldwide

 

[ultimanecat]

Firstly, keep in mind that games are kids’ toys, ultimately. People are going to be biased toward what they played as a kid, and in the U.S. Nintendo has been omnipresent since the 80s, especially as games given to children.

With that said, it’s certainly possible to be a retard and a lunatic, play games from all corners and time periods, develop a patrician taste for genres, origins, and styles, and discuss all of it deeply and intelligently. I try to, but as I said I’m retarded and these are kids toys I’ve wasted my leisure on. (By the by, avoiding being called a retard in comments sections was one of the primary motivations of games journalists moving toward Kotaku-tier nonsense in the early 2010s, because you can’t be exposed as a midwit who has barely played enough games to talk cogently about them if all you actually talk about is how much the game encourages you to cut your dick off.)

Anyway, in very anti-Codexian style, I will stop rambling and simply ask whether it even matters any more whether the SNES or MD had better games or why the DC flopped when it had pound-for-pound one of the strongest arcade-style libraries or whether most good Amiga games ended up having better versions on other consoles when you could literally download their entire libraries in a few minutes and probably even launch and play all of them simultaneously on your gaming rig. If the kids these days only know about something because it shows up in Fortnite, that’s their problem. Trust some autistic Japanese man to keep making games that you like and move on.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Btw, OP, who is AVGN? Some youtuber?

He's an Irate Gamer ripoff.

Who? A youtuber too?

AVGN is considered to be the first game "reviewing" jewtuber.

In fact, he hosted videos on his own website before jewtube was even a thing

 

[Ol' Willy]

before that it was like they did not exist.

you didn't even know about the. .. the gameboy advance?

Nope.

Where did you live?
Because here, in the early 2000's, the GameBoy Color & Advance were as prevalent as the the PS2

Could be Eastern Yurop

I can speak for Russia, it was completely ignored by nintendo. Firstly, a NES clone called "Dendy" was very popular, really ubiquitous. Nintendo could have capitalized on this but chose not to. Sega moved in though and supplied Genesis/Mega Drive. It was another ubiquitous item for many kids, and of course, pirated consoles and pirated games were easy to find.

Then PSone came in and easily grabbed the market by the balls. As a kid, I remember just one kid who had a Dreamcast, all others had PSone, me too. We had zero ideas about any new consoled by Nintendo, and nobody cared. Why would anyone care when PSone library is gigantic?

 

[Viata]

Btw, OP, who is AVGN? Some youtuber?

He's an Irate Gamer ripoff.

Who? A youtuber too?

AVGN is considered to be the first game "reviewing" jewtuber.

In fact, he hosted videos on his own website before jewtube was even a thing

I see. Makes sense I have no idea who he is, I knew no English back when youtube was not even a thing.

 

[Viata]

What helped Playstation sells easily was the easy to pirate its games. Every single Brazilian I know that had a PS1 had a modded one. We either bought cheap games on street vendors[aka camelô] (like 5 games for 10 dollars) or downloaded and burned a game ourselves.

 

[Ol' Willy]

What helped Playstation sells easily was the easy to pirate its games. Every single Brazilian I know that had a PS1 had a modded one. We either bought cheap games on street vendors[aka camelô] (like 5 games for 10 dollars) or downloaded and burned a game ourselves.

We had pirated Sega cartridges too

I think I had one or two licensed ones at all, all the rest were pirated

 

[Viata]

It's the same here. Pretty much every console I had was modded. I would buy european, japanese and american games on camelô, be it for NES, SNES, MS, MD and PS1. But only for PS1 we could download and burn it, so people would prefer to buy it over N64.
Dreamcast also had something like this, it was a disc we would insert on Dreamcast and wait until some part, after that we would open the case and replace the disc with another one we either bought on camelô or burned it, insert and close the case [obviously, the game had stuff removed from it since it was made to be burned on a CD-rom instead of a GD-rom]. After a few seconds, the game would start. Sadly, I forgot what that disc was called.

 

[Disciple]

Why do video game fans care so much about sales and "flops"? Imagine two cinema fans bringing up box office figures in a Ford vs. Hawks debate.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Nintendo was for the middle class faggy kids when I was growing up. Us scallies had MegaDrives.

 

[Ryzer]

Nintendo was truly excellent with the gamecube, it did not sell well but it was a great console, with so many classics played today, and massively appreciated. To have fun with friends, you just needed Smash Bros Melee and you could have hours of fun with it.


After that failure, Nintendo immediately stopped innovating and producing good consoles and started recycling its licences and creating shitty consoles that sell unfortunately.


Meanwhile, so called overrated PS2 has a handful of great games, and a ton of crap that nobody remembers. Most games weren't fun on that console.

I blame the success of the PS2, it was decline. Quality over quantity, and the Gamecube was BY FAR the leader in this area, just like the Megadrive/SNES were at the time.