Historical Revisionism in Video Game and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[Ol' Willy]

Nintendo 64 was a big flop at the time, especially compared to the numbers of what Playstation was selling at the time, so Nintendo fanboys now trying to rewrite history is hilarious. No one fucking cared about N64 in here at the time, while PSX was fucking everywhere in the late 90s, it basically became in late 90s what C64 was in the 80s in here.

You should also remember that shittendo tried to counter PSone with Gamecube which flopped so hard I didn't even know it existed until few years ago

 

[Nutmeg]

You should also remember that shittendo tried to counter PSone with Gamecube which flopped so hard I didn't even know it existed until few years ago

Gamecube wasn't a counter to the PS1 wtf are you talking about? It was a competitor to the PS2.

 

[Gilius Thunderhead]

Where I came from a lot of people jumped from the ZX Spectrum(talk about forgotten history) to the Sega Mega Drive. The SMS was still a bit more popular than the NES, judging by the retro market today. The SNES, and later the 64, were curiosities owned only by a few solidly middle class kids. I never even saw a Neo Geo or Jaguar, of course.

My impression is that the market varied wildly from place to place, even within Europe. Most people I knew also played with consoles AND the PC, at least after the mid 90s. This great opposition between console and PC, I never saw it growing up.

 

[Ravielsk]

Nintendo 64 was a big flop at the time, especially compared to the numbers of what Playstation was selling at the time, so Nintendo fanboys now trying to rewrite history is hilarious. No one fucking cared about N64 in here at the time, while PSX was fucking everywhere in the late 90s, it basically became in late 90s what C64 was in the 80s in here.

Based on what I've seen, as others have mentioned in this topic, console-plebs are so fucking ignorant of anything else than what they have in their very myopic view. Manchildren, manchildren never change.

To be more accurate in the 90s solid chances were that most did not even know something called the N64 even existed. The PS1 was so dominant that I legit though Nintendo had died and just left the market.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Speaking of historical revisionism, that's a rather big exaggeration.

 

[Ravielsk]

Historical Revisionism​

Its bad regardless of where and how it happens because it always ends up preventing lessons from the past to be learned and mistakes to be avoided. A prime example of this how WoW almost buttfucked itself out of existence because Blizzard allowed itself to be gaslit into believing that vanilla WoW was some hyper hardcore tryhard MMO when in reality it was a kiddy game relative to Everquest or Dark Age of Camelot. The end result was that since Wotlk the game has been getting progressively worse and worse as Blizzard was surgically removing more and more of their core design philosophy until the game was barely playable. I am to this day convinced that if Nostalrius did not basically bully Blizzard into opening classic servers WoW would have entered maintenance mode some time during Shadowlands.

And lets not shit ourselves here about the reasons why it happened with WoW or elsewhere. The popularization of e-celebs, especially those of extremely low quality but with high output, is the root cause behind this. Before 2008-2009 there was no way to create or really maintain these kinds of circle-jerks because there was both no place to start them(good luck trying to start a BotW like cult in 2002 on 4chin) and there was also no one to maintain them(aka parrot them to their retard friends).

In the case of WoW the start of its decline and its severity is directly proportional to the number of ecelebs(or pseudo ecelebs like Swifty) swirling around the game. Wrath babies like Asmogold were directly responsible for reshaping the perception of early WoW as super hardcore grindset game because yes compared to Wraths style of heroically camping in the main city and spamming RDF it really was a super hardcore experience.

 

[Ravielsk]

Speaking of historical revisionism, that's a rather big exaggeration.

I quite literary did not know the N64 even existed at the time and neither did anyone around me. The best we knew of Nintendo was that they made Mario and that was it. I am sure that the situation was different in big metropolitan areas but anywhere, especially outside of America Nintendo seemed to have disappeared from the map.

Only after the Wii and DS hit the market did I start to hear anything about them still being a thing but before that it was like they did not exist.

 

[Vic]

Only after the Wii and DS hit the market did I start to hear anything about them still being a thing but before that it was like they did not exist.

you didn't even know about the gamecube? or the gameboy advance?

 

[Ravielsk]

gameboy advance?

Nope. I once saw a gameboy SP in a glass case in a corner of some toystore but that was it. Not even the gaming magazines I was reading at the time bothered to mention anything related to nintendo.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

before that it was like they did not exist.

you didn't even know about the. .. the gameboy advance?

Nope.

Where did you live?
Because here, in the early 2000's, the GameBoy Color & Advance were as prevalent as the the PS2

 

[Vic]

north korea probably

 

[KD6-3.7]

Jeeezus game history doesn't start with Nintendo, you morons. You could argue it ended with Nintendo.

The various game genres were well-established before Nintendo arrived.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Speaking of historical revisionism, that's a rather big exaggeration.

I quite literary did not know the N64 even existed at the time and neither did anyone around me. The best we knew of Nintendo was that they made Mario and that was it. I am sure that the situation was different in big metropolitan areas but anywhere, especially outside of America Nintendo seemed to have disappeared from the map.

Only after the Wii and DS hit the market did I start to hear anything about them still being a thing but before that it was like they did not exist.

Well, I didn't know anyone who actually owned the thing. One of the big reasons being that it, and particularly the games for it, were retardedly overpriced in potato. That doesn't change the fact that is was pretty strongly simped for by the gaming press, Mario 64 was best game ev4r etc.

Speaking on a larger scale, it sold a very respectable amount of units and run proverbial circles around Saturn. And saying "no one knew Saturn existed" would already be taking it a tad too far.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

FF7, really? Is it regarded as being kind of shit nowadays? I thought it was still a "classic", the only real change I've perceived in Final Fantasy games is that people sometimes shit on 4 and 6 nowadays, and 8 seems to have gotten more favourably received over time.

I remember Dizzy! He was shit!

Not shit as such but it was the game of the 2000s. It had a fanbase that put everything else to shame and it went on for at least a decade. They were some how worse than nintoddlers.

There's also the "history is written by the victor" factor at work. A good example from my backyard would be people constantly praising cd projekt for starting the trend of cheap game re-editions and being saviors who gave poor unwashed potatoes affordable access to legal software.

I used to like the Platinum line on the PS1, you would get a new game for £20. When I got my PS1 I picked up Tekken 1, Destruction Derby and Toshinden and had a decent library to play with the included demo disc. Nothing like that these days.

As a wee lad I used to go to carboot sales with my parents and there was always a guy selling games there. You would find a game like £2-4 and get it as a reward for behaving that week. Instead of going to McDonalds, a trip to the cinema/renting a movie or having sweets after school I always wanted to use those treats to get me another game I knew would last longer. Only had labels to go on and memories from your magazines but you got loads of games for Steam sale prices back then. Ebay killed that entirely even without digital taking over.

Nintendo was able to create a culture around the brand, can't be said for SEGA.

You have no experience with Sega fans do you Vic? Sega lord X is still living the Sega culture. They will never let house of the dead die.

Where I came from a lot of people jumped from the ZX Spectrum(talk about forgotten history) to the Sega Mega Drive. The SMS was still a bit more popular than the NES, judging by the retro market today. The SNES, and later the 64, were curiosities owned only by a few solidly middle class kids. I never even saw a Neo Geo or Jaguar, of course.

I grew up working class and I owned the SNES and Mega drive together. Then the PS1 and N64. You basically got one for Christmas then a few years later got the other second hand or when it was much cheaper for Christmas. Never got a console at release though. They were always way too expensive and didn't have enough games to be worth it. The gameboy was insane value for money for most households. It was pretty cheap compared to a real console and as long as you had rechargable batteries or a way to plug it in you would get a lot of mileage out of the second hand market.

Before 2008-2009 there was no way to create or really maintain these kinds of circle-jerks because there was both no place to start them(good luck trying to start a BotW like cult in 2002 on 4chin) and there was also no one to maintain them(aka parrot them to their retard friends).

GameFAQs would make you weep. The circle jerking was even worse than today.

I quite literary did not know the N64 even existed at the time and neither did anyone around me. The best we knew of Nintendo was that they made Mario and that was it. I am sure that the situation was different in big metropolitan areas but anywhere, especially outside of America Nintendo seemed to have disappeared from the map.

What magazines did you read back then and where were you? I read Computer and video games which was a catch all and quite snarky/immature and picked up whatever other magazines I could find, especially with a demo disc. They were on every shop's magazine stand so it was hard to miss them even if you weren't buying them.

One of the big reasons being that it, and particularly the games for it, were retardedly overpriced in potato.

N64 games were £75 each at release. I remember seeing the price tag and thinking WTF but I fell in love with playing Mario 64 at a Choices (blockbuster type of thing). It blew my mind what the N64 could do and I ended up with one and maybe 10-15 games but plated a lot more through lending.

 

[Vic]

You have no experience with Sega fans do you Vic? Sega lord X is still living the Sega culture. They will never let house of the dead die.

Had to look him up, his most viewed video is this:

 

[Jarpie]

Where I came from a lot of people jumped from the ZX Spectrum(talk about forgotten history) to the Sega Mega Drive. The SMS was still a bit more popular than the NES, judging by the retro market today. The SNES, and later the 64, were curiosities owned only by a few solidly middle class kids. I never even saw a Neo Geo or Jaguar, of course.

My impression is that the market varied wildly from place to place, even within Europe. Most people I knew also played with consoles AND the PC, at least after the mid 90s. This great opposition between console and PC, I never saw it growing up.

In here Commodore 64 ruled the gaming market in the 80s, and a lot of those users moved to either Amiga or PC in the early 90s, or from C64 -> Amiga -> PC. NES, SNES and Megadrive gained popularity, but afaik they weren't dominant as they were in the USA and some other parts of the world. It wasn't until Playstation which became as dominant as C64 had been in the 80, although mostly in console market, and then PS2 of course, which was partially helped by its DVD playback. No fucking clue how it is now, but PC-gaming is still popular in Finland afaik.

 

[9ted6]

Btw, OP, who is AVGN? Some youtuber?

He's an Irate Gamer ripoff.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

You have no experience with Sega fans do you Vic? Sega lord X is still living the Sega culture. They will never let house of the dead die.

Had to look him up, his most viewed video is this:

And? He's an early millenial talking about his experiences growing up and being a huge fan of Sega. Fucker even imported Japanese Saturn games. Which were double or even triple the price of local retail ones at the time.

 

[Lucumo]

My impression is that the market varied wildly from place to place, even within Europe. Most people I knew also played with consoles AND the PC, at least after the mid 90s. This great opposition between console and PC, I never saw it growing up.

Basically this. The PC was the absolute standard here (everyone, their mom and dog had one) and a console was always the side dish. As for them, my best friend had an N64 and later a Gamecube. Everyone else who owned a console had a Playstation. No one I know had a Saturn or Dreamcast (my family had a Mega Drive at least). Ah, and at least in elementary school, most boys had a handheld (Gameboy, Gameboy Pocket or Gameboy Colour).

 

[Viata]

Btw, OP, who is AVGN? Some youtuber?

He's an Irate Gamer ripoff.

Who? A youtuber too?

 

[Vic]

And? He's an early millenial talking about his experiences growing up and being a huge fan of Sega. Fucker even imported Japanese Saturn games. Which were double or even triple the price of local retail ones at the time.

nothing, it's just ironic that the person you set up as the poster child for sega culture most viewed video is about how sega has failed

 

[Viata]

At least the guy can recognize that the Saturn flopped, can't say the same for Nintendo fans and the N64.

 

[Vic]

At least the guy can recognize that the Saturn flopped, can't say the same for Nintendo fans and the N64.

to be fair, the N64 gave us Ocarina of Time which some people (not me) consider the greatest game of all time and is STILL the highest rated game on metacritic. https://www.metacritic.com/browse/game/

 

[Viata]

Yet, it was still a flop. The second best game in that link is a Dreamcast game, a video game that was also a flop.

 

[Tehdagah]

Was it really a flop when it profited?