Squeenix FF7 Enhanced Edition coming to Steam?

[Average Manatee]

Have they actually remade any of the FFs? I know they have ported 1-6 a few dozen times but remaking a game entirely is completely different from a port.

Yes, I made a short list of them. The post is on this page.

derp reading is the hard fo me.

Though it should be mentioned that all of those remakes are for handhelds and crap, so probably 100x cheaper than the remake that people would expect of FF7 on current consoles, which was the point I was making. IIRC one of the FF13 devs was saying that FF13 was linear and crappy because making games like FF7 would cost too much nowadays.

And this is why those devs or suits or whatever are idiots. They think they have to make games with the best graphics and fill them up with cinematics and other shit. But look at the Souls games. They look good without trying to have the latest graphics. They obviously focus more on gameplay and encounter design. I hear Dragon Dogma is the same way too. With a more open world and better encounter and class design at the expense of some graphics. Even FFT looked pretty bad on the PSX but that game had good turn based combat with a lot of classes and customization for your party.

They'll never make a good game as long as they think that way and keep on putting out crap like FF13. Gaming has gotten too big and now we have these corporations stifling creativity (which is what they generally do) by mandating graphics and cinematic games above all else. It may work in other genres, but it's pretty shit in RPGs.

But if FF7 was remade people won't want better encounters, a non-retarded storyline, better gameplay, etc etc. Fans would hate changing that. All they want is FF7 with BLOOM and SHINY.

 

[Giauz Ragnacock]

Although 7 didn't grip me, the story seemed understandable but definitely surreal. Also, picture Sephiroth as Hitler and it becomes more interesting.

 

[aris]

I don't necessarily think that is true for neither gameplay nor encounters. It's not like the gameplay is the same in every FF-games, far from it: The basic elements are there, but the combat system is mixed around at least a little bit, in every single iteration. But storyline is probably untouchable. Would you have the storyline, if a remade of PS:T were made, changed into a "non-retarded" one?

 

[Giauz Ragnacock]

I don't know about story but I bet (if I had any game making skills) I could have made Torment's interface a lot better and the number of inputs necessary to play would have been no more than an NES controller. But bleh, I don't know, I probably would have been more tolerant of the IE games if I had played it in my teens and before KOTOR's XBox UI was introduced to me (I look at the past of Bioware and Obsidian and then look at Mass Effect and wondered why aren't they all as easy to use as KOTOR's UI?).

 

[Monad]

Sephiroth isn't even close to Hitler.

 

[Giauz Ragnacock]

In some bullet point aspects he is:

- known as hero of the people for bringing his nation to military glory
- claims to be of a superior race
- wants to commit omnicide on everything not "Aryan"
- has a Joseph Mengle stand-in perform experiments on inferior race and tattoo their arms with numbers
- he proceeds to kill said numbered captives as well as eliminate rivals (massacre at Shinra)
- he is defeated before achieving his goal of godhood (I think Hitler's goals line him up with having a God complex?)
- Sephiroth was conceived by the Japanese, former allies of Germany (reaching here but still part of why I think Square took some inspiration from Hitler)

Think what you will but for me he is the "What if Hitler was the anime Anti-Christ" scenario.

 

[laclongquan]

I don't know about story but I bet (if I had any game making skills) I could have made Torment's interface a lot better and the number of inputs necessary to play would have been no more than an NES controller. But bleh, I don't know, I probably would have been more tolerant of the IE games if I had played it in my teens and before KOTOR's XBox UI was introduced to me (I look at the past of Bioware and Obsidian and then look at Mass Effect and wondered why aren't they all as easy to use as KOTOR's UI?).

You bet you could have done better if you had possessed those nonexistent skills. Riiiiiiight!

 

[Giauz Ragnacock]

Well its definitely easier to think why are there so many actions spread out at the bottom of the screen. Most only seemed to be used in certain contexts (thus an A button) . While right-click menu does help some it is still style over ease of use in that the buttons are small icons with that weird radial spacing. I would have preferred something closer to regular computer right-click menus and have the action performed instantly instead of just making it another click context selection.

I don't really like mouse-look or movement being controlled completely br mouse clicks either. WASD would have been preferable as Ithat would have helped me keep the illusion that the whole of IE games weren't just giant menus.

Items and equipment also felt messy to me (it didn't help that I am more word oriented than icon oriented). To get any info on an item I had to hover my mouse over one for a name (takes forever in BG for all icon names not just items) and/or right-click to display a wall of mostly flavor text with some of the important info sprinkled here and there. All of that should have been up top, but I think PST might have been better about this than BG. And despite the paper doll looking neat it's just extra space to drag the mouse over and take away from a comprehensive before and after stats, effects, and abilities comparison. I would have probably had one combined stats and available equipment screen for each character and then a single screen showing all the current party members' bags of items side by side.

Seeing as so many people like and got through the game these changes are obviously unnecessary, but if I had advanced knowledge about how to alter the game I would at least give these mode a try to see if they shaped up my experience.

 

[Giauz Ragnacock]

Damn, my browser keeps kicking me out! I had some suggestions but they are inconsequential because a lot of people like and finished the IE games.

Right now I guess I am just more appreciative of the gamer/ design culture than I am in playing games (even ones that I had been trying to get through and loved for a while now) .

EDIT- oh look they ressurected themselves. I guess this can just be the tl;Dr then ;P

 

[Monad]

In some bullet point aspects he is:

- known as hero of the people for bringing his nation to military glory
- claims to be of a superior race
- wants to commit omnicide on everything not "Aryan"
- has a Joseph Mengle stand-in perform experiments on inferior race and tattoo their arms with numbers
- he proceeds to kill said numbered captives as well as eliminate rivals (massacre at Shinra)
- he is defeated before achieving his goal of godhood (I think Hitler's goals line him up with having a God complex?)
- Sephiroth was conceived by the Japanese, former allies of Germany (reaching here but still part of why I think Square took some inspiration from Hitler)

Think what you will but for me he is the "What if Hitler was the anime Anti-Christ" scenario.

1. As far as I remember Sephiroth didnt have any nation nor did he bring them to military glory. If you're referring to his career in Soldier he was more of a war hero I think. Even he were some kind of nationalistic leader that could be said of any leaser feom Hitler to George Washington to Sitting Bull.
2. He was an ancient and humans did wipe the ancients out.
3. Yep, but he pretty much wants to destroy the whole planet. Again he has no nation and he isnt a leader of anyone.
4. I don't remember Sephiroth ordering that scientist guy from shinra to do anything. In fact the scientist was experimenting on Jenova as well.
5. That could apply to just about any leader or soldier etc.
6. Really doesnt make Hitler-esque, just means he failed like anyone else would. Having a god complex could be relevant somewhat I guess.
7. I dont think that is really relevant or necessarily means anything.

I dont think so. He's much more sympathetic.

 

[Giauz Ragnacock]

Again just rough bullet points that would stiill be in their Venn diagram.

1. Pretty sure all FF locations are somewhat city-states. In Sephiroth's case he brought military might to Shinra (not only a corporation but the game's would-be one-world government) through his actions and genius on the battlefield while Hitler rebuilt Germany's military (there was a notable mention in a beginning Fallout cutscene).

2. He was not an ancient though part of him did wipe them out, and with this revelation he is even more spurred on to ensure only his species will survive (he's actually like a virus, ie the Jenova Cells).

3. Not destroy, he wants everything on the planet to be absorbed into him and under his will.

4. No I do not believe he orders the scientist directly, but he reveals that his wishes have been to help Sephiroth, even going as far as to become part of him.

5. I was pointing to both of those factors but I agree that it is vague.

6. Yes that was reaching.

7. Agreed, but it has been documented in wikis and interviews that special consideration was put into creating his mystique (some biblical references and allusions plus the name of his ultimate form roughly translates to "Book of Numbers" supposedly). I only posited that therecould be inspiration from Hitler in the background because of shared history and the seeming similarities above.

I conclude probably not inspired by Hitler but with a few coincidental shared traits that make him seem all the more creepy.

 

[Infinitron]

This thread is getting seriously retarded.

 

[Monad]

This thread is getting seriously retarded.

You're above it all man.

The Ancients weren't a virus if thats what you meant to say Aeris was an ancient indicating they were basically humans. My main point would be that Sephiroth was in no way a political leader.

 

[laclongquan]

Giauz is like an alt of a long quitting Codexer now coming back. But which, I wonder.

Monad, I dont know.

 

[aris]

This thread is getting seriously retarded.

Don't say that! If you do, the terrorists will win!

 

[Giauz Ragnacock]

This thread is getting seriously retarded.

You're above it all man.

The Ancients weren't a virus if thats what you meant to say Aeris was an ancient indicating they were basically humans. My main point would be that Sephiroth was in no way a political leader.

I said Jenova cells were the virus as stated in an easily found in-game computer log. Sephiroth is only related to the ancient ts in that Jenova killed them off. Think of Jenova as John Carpenter's The Thing. It has a base form (that Shinra dug up) but every cell is its own animal.

Yes you are correct that he is not a political leader.

Infinitron: This thread is so brilliant, it's retarded!

 

[Giauz Ragnacock]

Ive never been an alt. Search Glasss2099 on gamedev.net--- ME!
CRPG Addict----- Giauz------- MMMMMEEEEEE!

I've been me and no alt. fan of/conspirer with myself as long as me has been me.

:BROFIST: ?

 

[Monad]

This thread is getting seriously retarded.

You're above it all man.

The Ancients weren't a virus if thats what you meant to say Aeris was an ancient indicating they were basically humans. My main point would be that Sephiroth was in no way a political leader.

I said Jenova cells were the virus as stated in an easily found in-game computer log. Sephiroth is only related to the ancient ts in that Jenova killed them off. Think of Jenova as John Carpenter's The Thing. It has a base form (that Shinra dug up) but every cell is its own animal.

Yes you are correct that he is not a political leader.

Infinitron: This thread is so brilliant, it's retarded!

Oh ok. I guess I really haven't played the game through since like 2000 lol.

 

[DraQ]

This thread is getting seriously retarded.

FF thread - what did you expect?

 

[Rpgsaurus Rex]

where is sgc_meltdown when you need him

 

[Gragt]

This thread is getting seriously retarded.

FF thread - what did you expect?

More like FFFFFFFUUU thread.

 

[DragoFireheart]

I honestly never understood the love for FF7. Decent story, ok cast, somewhat neat setting, but it never struck me as "Masterpiece".

FFT is more of a masterpiece TBH. Far superior story and cast.

 

[deuxhero]

Have they actually remade any of the FFs? I know they have ported 1-6 a few dozen times but remaking a game entirely is completely different from a port.

Yes, I made a short list of them. The post is on this page.

derp reading is the hard fo me.

Though it should be mentioned that all of those remakes are for handhelds and crap, so probably 100x cheaper than the remake that people would expect of FF7 on current consoles, which was the point I was making. IIRC one of the FF13 devs was saying that FF13 was linear and crappy because making games like FF7 would cost too much nowadays.

And this is why those devs or suits or whatever are idiots. They think they have to make games with the best graphics and fill them up with cinematics and other shit. But look at the Souls games. They look good without trying to have the latest graphics. They obviously focus more on gameplay and encounter design. I hear Dragon Dogma is the same way too. With a more open world and better encounter and class design at the expense of some graphics. Even FFT looked pretty bad on the PSX but that game had good turn based combat with a lot of classes and customization for your party.

They'll never make a good game as long as they think that way and keep on putting out crap like FF13. Gaming has gotten too big and now we have these corporations stifling creativity (which is what they generally do) by mandating graphics and cinematic games above all else. It may work in other genres, but it's pretty shit in RPGs.

Sad thing is, games older than FF7 still had better looking cutscenes

Additionally

Spoiler

Alys died better than that pussy Aeries ever did

 

[Jaesun]

No.

 

[deuxhero]

Perhaps this example is more Codexian...