Fallout Fallout 4 Thread

[Silverfish]

But what put me off from the game, and caused me to remove it from my Steam library altogether (because refunding wasn't an option and hiding the game wasn't enough) was the fact I didn't care for any character in this game. Not one of them.

The only characters I liked at all were the Bobrovs, since their odd couple act was actually pretty funny.

 

[Just Locus]

The improved gunplay. Which is still lacking.

Yeah, F4 gunplay is pretty awful.

I love having enemies scale to my level so that by the time I'm at level 90 every enemy takes 4 full magazines to get rid of half of their health bar.
I love having legendary enemies that are already bullet-spongy regenerate their entire health right when it's about to fully drain.
I love how the game lacks a level cap so you can fulfill every single build in a single playthrough.
I love how they neutered the Melee Attack speed which makes it so any melee build eventually turns into a weapons build because any melee fight turns into a slog of rinse and repeating left-click and right-click when the enemy is attacking, with never being able to power attack because it gives the enemy enough time to parry and stagger you.
I love how the weapons view models take up 60% of your screen and your FOV is so restrictive it can damn near cause nausea.
I love how the legendary effects 9 times out of 10 give you some shit MMO-tier item of "10% resistant to [insert commonly spawned enemy]"
I love how the weapons all sound wimpy and the enemies have zero feedback in terms of animations so the gunplay feels about as stimulating as receiving a lobotomy.
I love how most of the perks are just stat increases which is what skills should've done had they not removed it.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

I ended up dropping the game again.

It's clear the Codex review of Fallout 4 was on point, and I quote:

It's a 100+ hour shooter, with all that entails

I was very surprised when yesterday, almost past the 80 hour mark (!!!), I got a Steam achievement telling me I had completed 10 sidequests.
10 sidequests.
...in almost 80 hours.

What. the. FUCK? That's an average of one sidequest every 8 hours. I don't need statistics to tell me most of the time I spent playing Fallout 4 was killing Raiders and Super Mutants, as well as looting "abandoned" buildings (populated by Raiders). But you do need statistics to know that, in 80 hours, I killed 420 human enemies. And the only reason the numbers aren't any higher was because early in the game I avoided combat as Survival makes it very easy for the player to die by bullshit means.

Yesterday I struck me, after I looted my 40th generic store, that the thing I disliked so much about Fallout: New Vegas -the generic assets and locations- was amplified in Fallout 4. Bethesda thought they could get away with reusing assets to create different locations and hoping the amount of enemies could distract you from this. But if you don't fill these locations with compelling stories and NPCs, they are virtually indistinguishable from one another. Yes, I can tell this is a hospital, as much as I can tell this is hardware store and that is a bakery. But it doesn't really matter. Having played Fallout 3 years ago, I couldn't help but notice the similarities between both games. It's as if FO3 was a prototype for Fallout 4. It's not fair to say Fallout 3 was better than Fallout 4, because the truth is anything better about Fallout 3 was an accident: Fallout 4 was the game Bethesda wanted to make all along.

Fallout was a franchise about finding new locations, meeting new people, and doing quests that involved interacting with them and your environment. Fallout 4 is a game about finding new places to loot, meeting new enemies to kill, and no quests to speak of because every quest you are given is an excuse to go somewhere, kill twenty raiders and acquire 1,000 caps just from looting garbage bins, and getting a 200 cap reward for being such a good boy.

Fallout 4 is a game you truly have to play because reading about how bad the game is isn't the same as experiencing it first hand.
No amount of reading could prepare me to bear the awful dialogue, the annoying accents everywhere, the lack of meaningful choices, the repetitive gameplay, the lack of a clear goal whenever you did anything for anyone. I used to frown upon the "kill these Ants" quest in New Vegas, which is one of the lamest in the game. But at least you got a decent REWARD from it. Fallout 4 has never given me something worth calling a reward. Only sound and visual cues that signify something cool or good has happened, but Bethesda forgot to implement it as part of the gameplay.

It's quite telling that of everything Fallout 4 changed in regarding to New Vegas, the only things I genuinely liked were:

1. The improved gunplay. Which is still lacking.
2. The improved graphics. Which still look off.

Everything, and I mean everything else.

The improved gunplay. Which is still lacking.

Yeah, F4 gunplay is pretty awful. The pace of combat is weird, everybody's faster and more active than in F3, but the player still feels comparatively sluggish when enemies dart around like mosquitoes on a coke bender. Iron sights are shit on 95% of the guns, with aiming taking up large portions of the screen (try using an Institute weapon and recoil as nearly half your display is taken up by the butt of the gun), which would be fine, except hip firing inexplicably requires perks and weapon mods to be effective. Apparently Doomguy would get his shit pushed in were he to visit Boston. Funny enough, the most enjoyable time I ever had with F4's guns, was when I gave up on shooting, slapped on a bayonet and ran around spearing everything.

What's worse is how easy it is to aim in this game.
Now, I didn't like magical bullet spread in F:NV that made you miss shots even if your aim was on point. But FO4 simply shows that without a serious overhaul, FPS gunplay will never be fit for an RPG. My character, a lawyer fresh off the Vault, can easily snipe a Raider without investing a single Perk into weapons... I miss when being bad at firearms truly meant being BAD at firearms.

But what put me off from the game, and caused me to remove it from my Steam library altogether (because refunding wasn't an option and hiding the game wasn't enough) was the fact I didn't care for any character in this game. Not one of them. Which is a complete failure from the writers. Having finished The Witcher III recently, the comparison couldn't be more stark. I cared about virtually every NPC in that game. Even creatures, at times. I never had anything similar happen to me in Fallout 4.

Clearly there was no point in playing the game any further, if it feels I'm just playing it to say I beat it.

By the way, I've heard of a settlement that needs our help. I've marked it on your map.

 

[laclongquan]

Fallout 4 is fun to play. Nuff said

Yeah, I agree. Maybe if it wasn't called Fallout people would like it more.

There is a total conversion project that ignore/drop every reference to Fallout universe
Obscurum IV Statesec
You could try it and see if you like F4 gameplay better without preconditioned "it's a Fallout game" expectation of writings and quests.
Be warned that O4S developers are troll writers who really, really like to troll players with reference to communists' terms. I mean, I am not sure if they are communists (from my POV as been living in communist country and favor the idea) but I am damn sure they are trolling you.

 

[Yosharian]

Fallout 4 is fun to play. Nuff said

Yeah, I agree. Maybe if it wasn't called Fallout people would like it more.

There is a total conversion project that ignore/drop every reference to Fallout universe
Obscurum IV Statesec
You could try it and see if you like F4 gameplay better without preconditioned "it's a Fallout game" expectation of writings and quests.
Be warned that O4S developers are troll writers who really, really like to troll players with reference to communists' terms. I mean, I am not sure if they are communists (from my POV as been living in communist country and favor the idea) but I am damn sure they are trolling you.

Wow that's pretty interesting.

 

[deuxhero]

What's the best anti-level-scaling mod now?

 

[Late Bloomer]

What's the best anti-level-scaling mod now?

I am not aware of any, but am willing to look into it. What type of anti-level scaling are you looking for? As it stands now, the further south you go, the higher level the enemies will be. It's more area levels really. Maybe you are talking about the gear that drops?

 

[deuxhero]

What's the best anti-level-scaling mod now?

I am not aware of any, but am willing to look into it. What type of anti-level scaling are you looking for?

All of it. I understand that enemy level is so linked to player level and totally uncapped it will continue to bloat HP even after the PC can no longer increase their damage output. General balance fixes also welcome.

 

[Late Bloomer]

It should be noted that I actually like level scaling. So there may be other F4 fans better suited than I with this. The bolded mod names are links.


I had a great playthrough with this mod. Perhaps you would too.

Immersive Gameplay

There are no artificial difficulties in Immersive gameplay, there is no illogical and secret empowerment to your enemies, the world is consistent, the world makes sense. And by making the world fair, consistent the gameplay has improved

I had quite a bit of fun with this one. It is immensely popular.

Horizon v1.9

Horizon is a very large full-scale overhaul of Fallout 4 that rebalances and expands the gameplay from the ground up.
It contains thousands of changes, redesigned systems, and new additions to very carefully balance everything together.

This is one I found that seems like it may fit the bill, but I have no experience with.

Fallout 4 Realism Mod

This mod was made with the purpose of dragging every living person, including the player down to the same level. The stats and effects of nearly everything have been changed to make game-play more convincing, brutal, and intense.

 

[Silverfish]

What's the best anti-level-scaling mod now?

Shredder mod for the minigun. Tears through pretty much anything regardless of HP or resistances.

 

[Stavrophore]

So this is a thing now. As i said in skyrim topic, thanks to voice ai now modders can replace women,woke and cringy characters with some more grounded up choices.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/grounded-commonwealth/#8602723

 

[Yosharian]

So this is a thing now. As i said in skyrim topic, thanks to voice ai now modders can replace women,woke and cringy characters with some more grounded up choices.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/grounded-commonwealth/#8602723

So basically replace all the women and non-white people with the same white guy? Lmao

 

[Stavrophore]

So this is a thing now. As i said in skyrim topic, thanks to voice ai now modders can replace women,woke and cringy characters with some more grounded up choices.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/grounded-commonwealth/#8602723

So basically replace all the women and non-white people with the same white guy? Lmao

Nope its not just the same white guy, they are specifically replaced with your trans father.

Is it that hard to read readme? The mod tries to recreate demographics of 1950s america(which fallout is thematically set in), before hart celler act of non white immigration came to force in the 60s. Not every fantasy piece of art or game has to arrive to the same conclusion of multicultural dystopia.

 

[Stavrophore]

voice ai

it's voice acted

Actual human actors? That would be huge incline considering how much people were redone.

 

[ind33d]

It's very interesting that Fallout 4 VR is terrible not for technical reasons but because using motion controls to shoot guns with large bullet spread due to them being made of duct tape causes motion sickness. I would have thought Nu-Fallout would be ideal for virtual reality compared to something like Doom

 

[markec]

What's the best anti-level-scaling mod now?

I used this one and it was pretty decent https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3815

 

[Cyberarmy]

As usual, fun is not allowed.

 

[Caim]

So this is a thing now. As i said in skyrim topic, thanks to voice ai now modders can replace women,woke and cringy characters with some more grounded up choices.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/grounded-commonwealth/#8602723

View attachment 40042

I have downloaded this mod. Not to use it, but to save it for posterity and shitposting purposes.

 

[502]

So, I've attempted to play this again recently. Started out with a short mod list, killed the scripted deathclaw and got the laser rifle from paladin whatshisface and some ammo from the synths.

How mandatory is settlement building? Should one allocate points mainly to SPECIAL or perks? The highly emphasized "improved gunplay" felt like ass, manually triggering critical hits doesn't feel like an improvement to anything at all, I'm completely lost. Is it because I have weak weapons and no perks? Does it get any better? Or do I just uninstall and quit for good, which is what I'm leaning to.

Some spoonfeeding is in order.

 

[Silverfish]

How mandatory is settlement building?

There are a few items you have to build for the main quest, but they're few and far between and the components needed can be acquired during said quests. There's one faction that focuses on building up settlements, but they're the worst option in general, so that's no concern.

Is it because I have weak weapons and no perks? Does it get any better?

It's hard to say, since I don't know what kind of shooters you enjoy. My personal recommendation is to go melee.

 

[Utgard-Loki]

Actual human actors? That would be huge incline considering how much people were redone.

there are some ai generated voices, but there are a lot of human actors as well. it's worth installing the mod just to get rid of the limited beth bargain bin voice acting.

 

[Late Bloomer]

So, I've attempted to play this again recently. Started out with a short mod list, killed the scripted deathclaw and got the laser rifle from paladin whatshisface and some ammo from the synths.

How mandatory is settlement building? Should one allocate points mainly to SPECIAL or perks? The highly emphasized "improved gunplay" felt like ass, manually triggering critical hits doesn't feel like an improvement to anything at all, I'm completely lost. Is it because I have weak weapons and no perks? Does it get any better? Or do I just uninstall and quit for good, which is what I'm leaning to.

Some spoonfeeding is in order.

You already wrote the game off, coming here looking for people who also dislike the game, pretending you are trying to play. If you can't figure out what to do or not to do with settlements (get into settlement building for fun, don't build them at all, don't set up beacons, use them as your own personal areas for a lone wanderer type playthrough, use them as farms for components, ignore them) then just fucking quit. Go play CoD or something.

 

[Stavrophore]

Settlements are not mandatory, nough said.

 

[Nikanuur]

Many of you ask the question, "Why should Fallout 4 be anything but horrible?" Well. Just yesterday, I shot Yao Guai with my modest Combat Shotgun so hard that he sprung from the ground, circumscribed a perfect half-circle above my head, and landed dead some 30 meters or so away. Come to think of it, maybe McReady, albeit armed with a Sniper rifle .308—yet still in possession of the Legendary Supersledge stashed in his invisible backpack—might have helped a bit. It was a heartwarming moment, attacking the diaphragm. So, that's why, kids, F4 can be wonderful.

Also, Far Harbor's atmosphere is four-star!

 

[tritosine2k]

Many of you ask the question, "Why should Fallout 4 be anything but horrible". Well. Just yesterday, I shot Yao Guai with my modest Combat Shotgun so hard that he sprung from the ground, circumscribed a perfect half-circle above my head, and landed dead some 30 meters or so away. Come to think of it, maybe McReady, albeit armed with a Sniper rifle .308—yet still in possession of the Legendary Supersledge—stashed in his backpack, might have helped a bit.

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4371