Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Thread

[Lord_Potato]

Most people that played it say the combat is good. It’s the one thing most people agree on.

"Most people" are not even sentient.

The consensus is that the combat is good/fine. It’s the lack of depth, bad writing and faggotry that everyone has problems with.

The consensus seems to be the combat is fun for the first few hours, but then quickly becomes repetitive because it relies on the same gimmick (mixing your abilities with ones of your companions to achieve shiny special attacks, dodging when special abilities recharge).

 

[babayaga]

Narcissists are often utterly crazy even if they're cunning enough to maintain a sense of outward stability in public. After having had the immense displeasure of having to deal with one first hand, I can safely say that they invest a lot of time in spinning fake narratives about events that didn't transpire.

There's one key trend in these fake stories. They usually end one of two particular ways. Sometimes both. Either they humiliate their supposed opposition or they convert them into sharing in whatever it is they're trying to promote. There's also a not so subtle attempt to signal their virtue, with the hope that their fellow narcissists will praise them. Of course, they'll know full well this supposed event didn't happen but in order to 'own the conservatives' they'll play along.

They are trying to make you mentally fellate them.
It's the reason why they insist on you to reaffirm them. It's about domination, ego stroking and forcing you to do it against your will. Akin to mental rape.
C'mon, kneel and suck my cock like a good boy or else I'll call you a transpohobe. You don't want to lose your job, do you?

 

[scytheavatar]

It's a milquetoast game that is mechanically competent

It is entirely not mechanically competent

Compared to Devil May Cry 5, absolutely not. But as a AAA western game meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it's mechanically competent in that sense.

The lowest common denominator loves games like Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring. These games have far more "mechnical competence" than Veilguard. Heck even Witcher 3's combat has more depth.

The idea that the masses loved dumbed down, shallow games already has been proven to be false when Final Fantasy Mystic Quest bombed decades ago. Already reproven when Final Fantasy XVI flopped last year.

Not entirely true. Look up console reviews of Baldur’s Gate 3 and you’ll see tons of “played the first combat encounter and uninstalled. I hate turned based combat. It’s boring.” They need ADHD combat loops with lots of particle effect, something Veilguard delivers.

Quick look at metacritic shows that BG3 PS5 version has an audience score of 8.7, which while not as good as the PC version (9.2) is still very strong and respectable. Elden Ring in comparison has an 8.2 score. Ultimately only a fool would listen to the minority haters when the vast majority loves the game.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Korean webcomic authors are light years ahead of Bioware when it comes to writing fantasy stories.

The hero of 'The Knight King who Returned with a God' is disgusted by other characters willingness to accept savage species such as orcs or demon worshipping tribesmen and is proven right to enforce his beliefs despite modern sensibilities.

I mean... I would rather read this comic than play Troonguard, but...

By the look of it, it's also just "modern trash with swords" and not fantasy.

It's a mix, the setting is near-future while the worlds that are explored through portals are generally medieval fantasy but could occasionally be far-future. The main character is setting up a knightly order which are given full armour and weaponry.

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

Most people that played it say the combat is good. It’s the one thing most people agree on.

"Most people" are not even sentient.

The consensus is that the combat is good/fine. It’s the lack of depth, bad writing and faggotry that everyone has problems with.

The consensus seems to be the combat is fun for the first few hours, but then quickly becomes repetitive because it relies on the same gimmick (mixing your abilities with ones of your companions to achieve shiny special attacks, dodging when special abilities recharge).

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been seeing. More depth would have helped keep it engaging for 50ish hours.

 

[Yosharian]

Most people that played it say the combat is good. It’s the one thing most people agree on.

"Most people" are not even sentient.

The consensus is that the combat is good/fine. It’s the lack of depth, bad writing and faggotry that everyone has problems with.

The consensus seems to be the combat is fun for the first few hours, but then quickly becomes repetitive because it relies on the same gimmick (mixing your abilities with ones of your companions to achieve shiny special attacks, dodging when special abilities recharge).

Yeah that's it precisely

As an example of the lack of depth, there are these ogre-type enemies that come in two flavours, a melee guy and a spear-throwing ranged guy. The ranged guy can simply be jump-attacked over and over and he never blocks or responds with any counter strategy. It stunlocks him.

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

It's a milquetoast game that is mechanically competent

It is entirely not mechanically competent

Compared to Devil May Cry 5, absolutely not. But as a AAA western game meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it's mechanically competent in that sense.

The lowest common denominator loves games like Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring. These games have far more "mechnical competence" than Veilguard. Heck even Witcher 3's combat has more depth.

The idea that the masses loved dumbed down, shallow games already has been proven to be false when Final Fantasy Mystic Quest bombed decades ago. Already reproven when Final Fantasy XVI flopped last year.

Not entirely true. Look up console reviews of Baldur’s Gate 3 and you’ll see tons of “played the first combat encounter and uninstalled. I hate turned based combat. It’s boring.” They need ADHD combat loops with lots of particle effect, something Veilguard delivers.

Quick look at metacritic shows that BG3 PS5 version has an audience score of 8.7, which while not as good as the PC version (9.2) is still very strong and respectable. Elden Ring in comparison has an 8.2 score. Ultimately only a fool would listen to the minority haters when the vast majority loves the game.

The systems in Baldur’s Gate 3 aren’t made with broad appeal in mind. The game is just so good that it happened to have broad appeal. As a cRPG it’s the exception, not the norm.

Veilguard is literally designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it just didn’t land because it’s so controversial. The combat is the least of the games problems in a broad sense.

 

[Yosharian]

The combat is the least of the games problems in a broad sense.

I agree with you there, but it does still have significant issues

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

The combat is the least of the games problems in a broad sense.

I agree with you there, but it does still have significant issues

For sure. I’m not arguing that it doesn’t.

 

[Tyranicon]

Watching reddit bugmen champion this soulless product

Now the cope is that it's a "solid 7/10" game that "just isn't a good Dragon Age title."

What you're seeing is a realtime reaction to the chuds winning. An entire segment of the gaming audience and industry is melting down.

 

[Falksi]

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Update on my prediction. Metascore is 79 on pc, 83 on ps5. So my 82 was fairly close. Reviews on steam are not mixed but still mostly positive so I missed there.

I was right about the main criticism but the biggest complaint seems to be the writing in general, not just the story/characters. Even a few minutes on the dragon age reddit reveals that the hardcore fans find it be childish and the whole thing feels Disney/Marvel. To top it off, a secret true ending taints the previous Dragon Age games while plot developments render those games meaningless anyway since everyone in those regions is likely dead. Bravo.

Judging by EA's silence, they aren't even going to say it held up initially. They may just admit that it underperformed out of the gate and substantially so. If it were selling well, I imagine they would say so and Schreier wouldn't be quietly deleting tweets.

So in conclusion, my prediction was mixed as I actually overestimated the game.

Deleting tweets?

 

[Nikanuur]

I got a blush. My critique of Failguard got deleted without a single reason residing in my r/ inbox from the, erm, sort of all-shilling Dragon Age Vailguard SubReddit.
Some people even said that it was a spam, and the way I see it the mods just got triggered.
No response to my appeal from the Support either.

So, in the light of these events, I founded my own community called DragonAgeFailguard, with my own set of rules in mind. Hopefully, the word "fun" would work as a safety device against the community getting deleted on behalf of Reddit consorship or pro-cons00merizm or something.

I bid you warm and grinning welcome. Make your acquaintance, if you wish.

 

[jaekl]

Second one is better. Tells me directly and succinctly instead of making me wade through a bunch of flowery faggotry to come to the same conclusion: game sucks, do not buy.

 

[scytheavatar]

It's a milquetoast game that is mechanically competent

It is entirely not mechanically competent

Compared to Devil May Cry 5, absolutely not. But as a AAA western game meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it's mechanically competent in that sense.

The lowest common denominator loves games like Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring. These games have far more "mechnical competence" than Veilguard. Heck even Witcher 3's combat has more depth.

The idea that the masses loved dumbed down, shallow games already has been proven to be false when Final Fantasy Mystic Quest bombed decades ago. Already reproven when Final Fantasy XVI flopped last year.

Not entirely true. Look up console reviews of Baldur’s Gate 3 and you’ll see tons of “played the first combat encounter and uninstalled. I hate turned based combat. It’s boring.” They need ADHD combat loops with lots of particle effect, something Veilguard delivers.

Quick look at metacritic shows that BG3 PS5 version has an audience score of 8.7, which while not as good as the PC version (9.2) is still very strong and respectable. Elden Ring in comparison has an 8.2 score. Ultimately only a fool would listen to the minority haters when the vast majority loves the game.

The systems in Baldur’s Gate 3 aren’t made with broad appeal in mind. The game is just so good that it happened to have broad appeal. As a cRPG it’s the exception, not the norm.

Veilguard is literally designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, it just didn’t land because it’s so controversial. The combat is the least of the games problems in a broad sense.

5E is the most accessible and dumbed down version of D&D, it was certainly made with broad appeal in mind. And its popularity means it undeniably achieved that goal.

Divinity Original Sin 2 was also the most successful CRPG ever not made by Bioware, which already proves that the Larian turn base formula has broad appeal. Veilguard in comparison is just another ARPG, and people overestimate how much games of that genre sell. I know a lot of people compare Veilguard combat to GOW 2018 which sold a lot but GOW is not an ARPG.

 

[Semiurge]

This has to be the gayest, stupidest, lamest out of touch shit i've read in a while. Peak woketard's humor i guess.

Also WWE wrestling? lol what is this? 2000s? Who the fuck even cares about WWE today?

Libtards have been basing their right wing strawman on Stephen Colbert sketches since 2005. They're all hillbillies who watch NASCAR and wrestling and they hate science because of creationism.

Even their fiction is nonsensical. How could those dudebros be "right-wing crazies" if they changed their minds so easily?

lol, great find. I enjoyed the replies:

Come on, post the replies then. You don't actually expect anyone to have a social media account here?

 

[Camel]

Do you even meet slaves in Tevinter, a slave empire, in this game? Many complain how the game is extremely sanitized and BioWare couldn't show slavery.
Dragon Age 2 Codex entry: Slavery in the Tevinter Imperium

Slavery still thrives in Thedas, even if the trade has been outlawed. Who hasn't heard the tales of poverty-stricken elves lured into ships by the prospect of well-paying jobs in Antiva, only to find themselves clapped in leg-irons once at sea? And humans fall prey to this, too.

If they're lucky, they end up in Orlais, which has only "servants." Most nobles treat them decently because they are afraid of admitting the truth. Orlesians go to great lengths to maintain the fiction that slavery is illegal.

Of course, the greatest consumer of slave labor is the Tevinter Imperium, which would surely crumble if not for the endless supply of slaves from all over the continent. There, they are meat, chattel. They are beaten, used as fodder in the endless war against the Qunari, and even serve as components in dark magic rituals.

—From Black City, Black Divine: A Study of the Tevinter Imperium, by Sister Petrine, Chantry scholar

 

[Fargus]

I remember Dragon Age 2 and how the animu elf with giant sword was super assblasted about slavery. "Slavery bad\kill slavers" was his entire character basically.

 

[d1r]

I think we may have reached new heights of clown world.

We’re going back to the trenches with this one. So, it’s no secret. Dragon Age: The Veilguard is the latest “DEI game” to be subjected to criticism with zero bearing on the actual game itself. Because I’m tired and already exhausted myself talking about diversity in games, I’ll keep this one mercifully brief.

This brand of “criticism” extends to YouTube where content creators aren’t bound to any kind of journalistic integrity. Sure, a few YouTubers provide thoughtful feedback on the strengths and weaknesses of a game. But some of them couldn’t care less about worthwhile, relevant, informed discourse.

https://web.archive.org/web/2024110...lguard-and-the-necessity-of-games-journalism/

 

[Wasteland]

Come on, post the replies then. You don't actually expect anyone to have a social media account here?

 

[Semiurge]

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I think we may have reached new heights of clown world.

We’re going back to the trenches with this one. So, it’s no secret. Dragon Age: The Veilguard is the latest “DEI game” to be subjected to criticism with zero bearing on the actual game itself. Because I’m tired and already exhausted myself talking about diversity in games, I’ll keep this one mercifully brief.

This brand of “criticism” extends to YouTube where content creators aren’t bound to any kind of journalistic integrity. Sure, a few YouTubers provide thoughtful feedback on the strengths and weaknesses of a game. But some of them couldn’t care less about worthwhile, relevant, informed discourse.

https://web.archive.org/web/2024110...lguard-and-the-necessity-of-games-journalism/

Give me enough dollars and I too can have the "integrity" he seeks.

 

[Fargus]

Squirming and slowly dying journo whores is one of my favorite snacks. Of course i prefer it extra crispy, so if they all would just gather in one place and light themselves on fire with integrity, that would be great.

 

[KörangarTheMighty]

But what about those who willingly undergo the macabre ordeal of entering the Veilguard gaemplay Deep Waters of Unthinkable Abomination in order to assess the horribleness factor, and to refund the game with due negative review afterwards?

Grey areas serve as a deterrent. But generally - For reviewbombers, everything; for Veilguard enjoyers, the law.

 

[grim1234]

Disclaimer: I know very little about DA, just the basics, such as what in general is the Blight, Fade, etc.

So, there's a scene in Veilgaurd where Rook and company find Solas' lyrium dagger. They look at it for a few seconds and Harding decides to push Rook (who is also a dwarf btw) away and go and grab it herself.
I'm not asking about what happened next, I'm asking what made her act this way. Again: no spoilers please.

1) Since the wiki tells me that processed lyrium is safe for anyone to touch, why did Harding go out of her way to make sure she's the one who picks it up? Did I miss anything about the dagger? Was it known to be dangerous or possibly dangerous and she just wanted to protect the rest of the team?
2) Since I don't actually know: is the lyrium dagger made with processed lyrium or unprocessed? Or does no one knows and maybe that's why Harding grabbed it, since dwarves are more resistant to unprocessed lyrium?
3) Am I simply missing something about the intel the team had about the dagger?

Again, please: no spoilers, not even a hint. Just wanna know some facts that one would know at that point of the game. I really don't get why Harding acted that way and just want to know why. Seemed very stupid, but I'd rather give the writers some benefit of the doubt (I know, I know...). If it's just "writers were being stupid", so be it. I just want to be sure, because maybe it's my lack of knowledge of the universe or maybe I missed something.

 

[Tyranicon]

I didn't read any of these, but I'll provide predictions on what I think they're about.

Prediction: "YouTubers don't even take bribes from the right kind of people!"

Prediction: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Prediction: "Sports?"

Prediction: "The bug was where I had to play this stupid fucking game."

Prediction: "Cucks."

Prediction: "We have to walk back that 9/10 review because people are getting mad."