KickStarter Double Fine's MASSIVE CHALICE - Released... but nobody cares

[evdk]

I can't wait for some -- if not most -- of these Kickstarters to implode.

Yeah man. I'm also so edgy I can't wait to get more shit games! I'd rather prove everyone wrong than get the games I've been screaming for for a decade as well!

It's more like giving money to strangers on a promise is generally a bad idea-kind of thing.

In a healthy market that would be true, but sadly the mainstream is currently fucked and a biannual begathon seems to be our only chance at incline arriving at a scale that's bigger than one game every two years.

 

[sser]

Good intentions != good results.

If any of these games drop, and are alright, I'll for sure buy and play them. But you'll never convince me to contribute way, way before they're even in any kind of development stage at all.

You're totally right that these people aren't our "friends", they're businesses. And that's why I make a business decision to not invest in empty words and promises. This Kickstarter here doesn't even have footage. It's just art and ideas.

When people get mega-burned on triple-A titles all the time, it's only a matter of time before it happens here, too, and that's really what I'm waiting for. It's not a matter of personal glee so much as inevitability.

People can put their money in these things all they want, though. I don't particularly care what others do with their money, but I can still make observations about where it's going.

 

[Grunker]

Did you even glance at the argument I posted?

It's not a matter of personal glee so much as inevitability.

Yeah, I hear ya:

I can't wait

 

[Metro]

argument

 

[sser]

Yeah, I'm not really interested in arguing about semantics and tone over the internet. I gave my side of the matter and you want to focus on that. It's whatever. Kickstarter is literally a buy on hype process. I'm not one to get hyped up so I don't use it. I don't care if others do. I honestly don't even care how others justify it, since that justification should be for themselves, not strangers like myself. It's their money being used, after all. But some of these projects are gonna fail and they're gonna fail hard. It's inevitable and my observation or how I feel about it isn't going to change that. Yeah, when it happens I'll probably take some guilty, brooding pleasure in it. Everyone likes a little drama. Sue me.

 

[Humanity has risen!]

It's so weird for me to see the word chalice used casually, I always can't help but cringe. In Quebec it is a very blasphemous swear word, as are many other words related to Catholic lithurgy.

Anyway the video just showed a few sketches, it's sad that Double Fine is banking on their name to get away with this, and the worst is that they will.

Making a mini-movie also worries me, they're not helping the other indies if they make it so that you can't have a successful campaign if you don't have a professionally-made, high-budget humoristic sketch to go along with your campaign.

I have to say that the game has a good concept though. But anyway I'm sure a Flash-based or annoyingly whimsical visual theme will spoil it greatly.

 

[Infinitron]

Yeah, I'm not really interested in arguing about semantics and tone over the internet. I gave my side of the matter and you want to focus on that. It's whatever. Kickstarter is literally a buy on hype process. I'm not one to get hyped up so I don't use it. I don't care if others do. I honestly don't even care how others justify it, since that justification should be for themselves, not strangers like myself. It's their money being used, after all. But some of these projects are gonna fail and they're gonna fail hard. It's inevitable and my observation or how I feel about it isn't going to change that. Yeah, when it happens I'll probably take some guilty, brooding pleasure in it. Everyone likes a little drama. Sue me.

I find it odd that you choose to share this observation with us on the very day that a Kickstarter game - one with a troubled development cycle, even - has nevertheless successfully been released to great acclaim.

Are you going to buy Expeditions: Conquistador?

 

[sser]

Dunno why that's odd. I have no interest in that game because of the setting, but wish the developers the best.

Nevermind I bought it. I just can't resist when I see a video of turnbased gameplay...

I've totally bought games that had Kickstarter before. I don't have a vendetta against the system, just an opinion. The closest I have gotten to contributing was Original Sin.

 

[Kirtai]

Kickstarter is literally a buy on hype process.

It's more like patronage. They announce that they want to make or do something but need funding and we, the patrons say "yeah, have some money, show us what you can do".

Or, of course, we say, "drop dead"

 

[Western]

Well fortunately for us some people are willing to gamble on getting some incline or it would be this ad infinitum.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=8286

 

[Stabwound]

Well fortunately for us some people are willing to gamble on getting some incline or it would be this ad infinitum.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=8286

I completely agree that Kickstarter has been the key component in the (hopefuly) resurgence of real CRPGs, but this MASSIVE CHALICE thing rubs me the wrong way. All good things get fucked up by terrible people eventually.

 

[OSK]

At least inXile came to kickstarter after THEY SHOWED progress...

No they didn't. Rewatch the Wasteland Kickstarter video. They had nothing but a few pieces of concept art, vague promises and loads of nostalgia.

This especially the 2nd part the pitch is a joke...The video adds insult to injury. The reception these guys getting for being average at best is astonishing. How some people can compare a bunch of nobodies to inXile who brought us fucking Wasteland is beyond me. Meh kickstarter = shitstarter

How can you seriously call Double Fine nobodies compared to fucking inXile? They're both small studios with less than spectacular track records headed by an industry veteran banking on their past successes. At least Double Fine has Psychonauts. What does inXile have so far?

 

[Western]

I think the main problem with this Kickstarter is whether or not Double Fine can make an excellent game since Psychonaughts, the Codex consensus is no, so seeing this light on details vid full of top dog confidence would definitely rub us the wrong way.

 

[Branm]

At least inXile came to kickstarter after THEY SHOWED progress...

No they didn't. Rewatch the Wasteland Kickstarter video. They had nothing but a few pieces of concept art, vague promises and loads of nostalgia.

This especially the 2nd part the pitch is a joke...The video adds insult to injury. The reception these guys getting for being average at best is astonishing. How some people can compare a bunch of nobodies to inXile who brought us fucking Wasteland is beyond me. Meh kickstarter = shitstarter

How can you seriously call Double Fine nobodies compared to fucking inXile? They're both small studios with less than spectacular track records headed by an industry veteran banking on their past successes. At least Double Fine has Psychonauts. What does inXile have so far?

Huh? inXile had GAMEPLAY footage of Wasteland 2 when they pitched Torment. And Torments pitch was WAY WAY superior to this one.

All I should need to say is Chris Avellone, Colin Mccomb, brian FArgo and the the list goes on and on...you cant compare that to what i consider a nobody in Brad Muir. He isnt even in the same universe as the prior 3...

 

[J1M]

Doublefine made a single good game, Psychonauts. Tim Shaefer himself did make some more good stuff, 20 years ago. At least inXile people worked on semi-decent and good-ish RPGs during last decade.

I think you are being a little too generous. I didn't find Psychonauts very innovative or interesting. It was just... popular.

 

[CrustyBot]

Concept looks pretty good, but the pitch seemed rough around the edges.

Then again, it's only just started. Project Eternity was pretty damn rough around the edges with vague promises of IE-like awesomeness when it first launched.

Will probably wait until the campaign gets into full gear before deciding to pledge or not. Good find, Inf.

 

[J_C]

Doublefine made a single good game, Psychonauts. Tim Shaefer himself did make some more good stuff, 20 years ago. At least inXile people worked on semi-decent and good-ish RPGs during last decade.

I think you are being a little too generous. I didn't find Psychonauts very innovative or interesting. It was just... popular.

And W2, Torment and PE will be innovative? Please...

All I should need to say is Chris Avellone, Colin Mccomb, brian FArgo and the the list goes on and on...you cant compare that to what i consider a nobody in Brad Muir. He isnt even in the same universe as the prior 3...

So fucking what? Does this mean that only Codex favourite people can make kickstarters? Codex people donated to a lot of kickstarters which were made by such "nobodies". But now they act up and mighty. Bunch of fucking hypocrites. As I read in another topic, you didn't even know who Double Fine is or what have they done.

Double standars all over the place. Watch the fucking Wasteland 2, Torment and PE kickstarter videos. They haven't shown a fucking thing from the game, just talked about some its features. Which Double Fine did in this video. But suddenly inXile can be forgiven for this, but Double Fine can't.

"but inXile shown footage from W2 before coming to KS again"!!!!!

Just as Double Fine. Oh, but you didn't like Broken Age. Tough luck. This doesn't change the fact that they shown footage and pictures about the game.

 

[Irenaeus]

Doublefine made a single good game, Psychonauts. Tim Shaefer himself did make some more good stuff, 20 years ago. At least inXile people worked on semi-decent and good-ish RPGs during last decade.

I think you are being a little too generous. I didn't find Psychonauts very innovative or interesting. It was just... popular.

And W2, Torment and PE will be innovative? Please...

Maybe not, but at least they are interesting.

 

[J_C]

Doublefine made a single good game, Psychonauts. Tim Shaefer himself did make some more good stuff, 20 years ago. At least inXile people worked on semi-decent and good-ish RPGs during last decade.

I think you are being a little too generous. I didn't find Psychonauts very innovative or interesting. It was just... popular.

And W2, Torment and PE will be innovative? Please...

Maybe not, but at least they are interesting.

Good for you. That's why people donate to kickstarters which they are interested in.

 

[evdk]

Did Muir even play FFT? That's not Ramza or any of the iconic characters. That's a badly drawn Cloud.

That's the joke. It's not a very good joke, but a joke nonetheless.

 

[anus_pounder]

popcorn.gif? Or is it too late?

 

[evdk]

More like too soon. Wait for when more info is released.

 

[abnaxus]

 

[Cyberarmy]

Sounds promising but how they came up with that name
Also not enough low tiers for backing, it'd go faster if there was some $30-35 tier of rewards. First few hours was very fast but now its crawling.

 

[Kraszu]

I didn't see it as "taking the piss" out of Fargo at all. It came across as a ripoff of his bit to me.

This kickstarter right here is a good example of how this whole crowdfunding thing is going to inevitably fall apart. These people are going to get several million dollars thrown at them for what is probably about 50 man hours of work total on this video and kickstarter page. Now, it's possible that Broken Age and this game are going to be awesome mindblowing games, but someone along the line is going to fuck up big time on a game worth millions and screw it all up.

I don't see why one bad game would screw it up, everybody was disappointed in some game that they had brought but that didn't stop people from buying games.